2017 We will lose cross-division Rivalries

#26
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lonelawyer said:
Until we start getting a lot of players that like crab legs and crawfish, I don't care if we ever play Bama again.
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Sorry man but that is a cowards attitude IMO..

To be on top you can not be afraid of anyone..

getting to double digit wins means nothing to me personally if they are all against inferior teams.

I want to play the BEST.. to prove we are the BEST.. JMHO
 
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AboveAllNations said:
Pac-12 coaches don't coach in a league with 5 different teams that have won a BCS National Championship game, so who cares what they think. The SEC is indisputably the strongest conference in the country, so we don't need a 9-game schedule to have at least two strong playoff candidates every year.

The SEC is now mandating that every team play at least one non-conference game against a "power" non-conference team. That's the equivalent of a 9-game conference schedule, so what's the big deal? Moving to 9 game SEC schedule would risk eliminating historic non-conference rivalry games like Florida-FSU and South Carolina-Clemson.
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That is true to a point... but there are a bunch of people on the selection committee from the west coast.

If people do not think that will become an issue they are fooling themselves.

They have already stated that it will be the best teams in their opinion that make it to the playoffs. Not the most deserving or the best records.

So even 2 loss team could make it over an undefeated, If the selection committee feels they are a better team.

With so many members coming from the west coast, they will not be able to keep it unbiased, it is just not in human nature.
 
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ImportedVoL said:
Sorry man but that is a cowards attitude IMO..

To be on top you can not be afraid of anyone..

getting to double digit wins means nothing to me personally if they are all against inferior teams.

I want to play the BEST.. to prove we are the BEST.. JMHO
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So Belize should declare war on China. Florida State got to the National Championship game by beating inferior opponents.

I'd love to see Bama permanently coached by Mike Shula and Florida permanently coached by Ron Zook.

As I've said before, I like the easy settings on X Box.
 
#31
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ImportedVoL said:
I agree,, that was a good rivalry IMO..

But my thought of them coming to the east would also fix that, and bring that game back.

SO, UF could have more at stake in this decision then most think. :good!:
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imo, the divisions belong as i already said.

auburn in the east. mizzou in the west. it makes the most sense with the least amount of disruptions of all rivalries of all 14 schools.

the problem is....again....alabama-tennessee and alabama-auburn.

if you applied the logic of "the needs of the many are greater than the needs of the few" then....

that's how i would do it. the alabama-tennessee rivalry would be sacrificed for literally every other rivalry in the league.....with the exception of maybe lsu-auburn

don't kill me for that, but based on logic, it makes the most sense.

i know that wouldn't make tennessee or alabama fans happy. but, as i said, every other rivalry would remain and some would be renewed.

it would be the best thing for all 14 members.
 
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#32
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ImportedVoL said:
what happens if at the same time we expand to 16? If that happens, in order to keep the rivalries we would most definitely be forced to put all teams involved in same division.. unless they go 8-1.. with only one cross-division game a year, which would be the permanent opponents..
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If we went to a 16 team conference with two 8 team divisions it would be a 7-2 ratio.
 
#33
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99gator said:
so, i have no stake in this cross divisional stuff.

the problem for tennessee is that most schools are in the same boat. most schools have no stake in the cross divisional thing. so, that could influence their vote because it doesn't matter to them.
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There would be some clear winners and losers if the SEC eliminated cross-divisional rivalries and moved to a rotating schedule, so every team has a stake.

Right now, the cross-divisional rivalries are fairly balanced, with strong teams playing strong rivals and weaker teams playing weaker rivals:

- Alabama v. Tennessee
- Auburn v. Georgia
- LSU v. Florida
- Texas AM v. South Carolina
- Arkansas v. Missouri
- Ole Miss v. Vanderbilt
- Miss St. v. Kentucky

LSU has been griping about how Alabama has had an scheduling advantage over them given how weak we've been, but once UT becomes a top-10 program again this criticism will be moot. Abandoning all of the cross-divisional rivalry games, however, would let the better teams occassionally face easier opponents, so it would reduce the win / loss parity between the stronger and weaker teams in the SEC. So, unless you're an AD at a strong program who doesn't care about keeping your assigned cross-divisional rival for the sake of tradition (LSU, Florida, and maybe Texas AM), you would support keeping the cross-divisional rivalry matchups for the good of the league.
 
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Vol4life25 said:
Stupidest thing I have ever heard. Leave it how it is.
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If true.. you do not read 90% of the posts made on this site. Just sayin.. this is a real possibility the way things are shaking out with the playoffs.

The committee gets to pick from the top 8 rated teams for a 4 team playoff. If the general consensus ends up being that 9 games in a conference means something. The very first time an SEC team gets left out over a Big(*) or pac-12 team with the same exact record.

There will be a very fast change of minds on this issue.
 
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99gator said:
imo, the divisions belong as i already said.

auburn in the east. mizzou in the west. it makes the most sense with the least amount of disruptions of all rivalries of all 14 schools.

the problem is....again....alabama-tennessee and alabama-auburn.

if you applied the logic of "the needs of the many are greater than the needs of the few" then....

that's how i would do it. the alabama-tennessee rivalry would be sacrificed for literally every other rivalry in the league.....with the exception of maybe lsu-auburn

don't kill me for that, but based on logic, it makes the most sense.

i know that wouldn't make tennessee or alabama fans happy. but, as i said, every other rivalry would remain and some would be renewed.

it would be the best thing for all 14 members.
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I notice you conveniently glossed over abandoning the Alabama-Auburn game, which is arguably the best rivalry in college football.
 
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99gator said:
no, i didn't.

alabama and auburn would be each other's cross division rivalry.
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Hmm... you know what? I think I like your idea. Swapping Missouri for Auburn would make the two divisions more balanced and geographically accurate. Were these the cross-divisional rivalry games you were thinking about?

Alabama v. Auburn
Arkansas v. Tennessee
LSU v. Florida
Missouri v. Georgia
Texas AM v. South Carolina
Ole Miss v. Vanderbilt
Miss St. v. Kentucky

I could live with an Arkansas rivalry game.
 
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AboveAllNations said:
Hmm... you know what? I think I like your idea. Swapping Missouri for Auburn would make the two divisions more balanced and geographically accurate. Were these the cross-divisional rivalry games you were thinking about?

Alabama v. Auburn
Arkansas v. Tennessee
LSU v. Florida
Missouri v. Georgia
Texas AM v. South Carolina
Ole Miss v. Vanderbilt
Miss St. v. Kentucky

I could live with an Arkansas rivalry game.
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I'd rather play almost anyone else than Arkansas. Hell, give me the Corndogs or Ole Miss over them. At least with Ole Miss we get to go to the Grove.
 
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AboveAllNations said:
Hmm... you know what? I think I like your idea. Swapping Missouri for Auburn would make the two divisions more balanced and geographically accurate. Were these the cross-divisional rivalry games you were thinking about?

Alabama v. Auburn
Arkansas v. Tennessee
LSU v. Florida
Missouri v. Georgia
Texas AM v. South Carolina
Ole Miss v. Vanderbilt
Miss St. v. Kentucky

I could live with an Arkansas rivalry game.
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My bad I misread this. Carry on.
 
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AboveAllNations said:
Hmm... you know what? I think I like your idea. Swapping Missouri for Auburn would make the two divisions more balanced and geographically accurate. Were these the cross-divisional rivalry games you were thinking about?

Alabama v. Auburn
Arkansas v. Tennessee
LSU v. Florida
Missouri v. Georgia
Texas AM v. South Carolina
Ole Miss v. Vanderbilt
Miss St. v. Kentucky

I could live with an Arkansas rivalry game.
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you could live with losing the alabama-tennessee game?
 
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#45
If we go to 9, we will keep the cross divisional rivalries for sure.

Personally, I would like to see the divisions scrapped. In this scenario, the SEC could go to 9 games, five permanent and four rotating. This way, all rivalries would be kept, each student would be able to visit every campus Ina four year career, and the top two teams overall would play each year in the SECCG. The give teams I would like to see Tennessee play each year are Bama, Vandy, Kentucky, Georgia, and Auburn. Auburn was a great rivalry before 92.
 
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99gator said:
you could live with losing the alabama-tennessee game?
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Obviously I don't speak for every Vol fan, but yeah I could. It would certainly make our path the SEC Championship game a lot easier, where we might face Alabama anyway.

How about swapping Missouri for Alabama? This is what the cross-divisional schedule would look like:

- Auburn v. Alabama
- Arkansas v. Tennessee
- LSU v. Florida
- Missouri v. Georgia
- Texas AM v. South Carolina
- Ole Miss v. Vanderbilt
- Miss St. v. Kentucky

This would make the SEC East a bit stronger than the SEC West, and essentially preserve the Tennessee/Alabama game at the expense of Auburn/ Georgia. Alabama would get to play teams like Georgia, Florida and South Carolina on an annual basis though, so that would be interesting...
 
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UTwild82 said:
If we go to 9, we will keep the cross divisional rivalries for sure.

Personally, I would like to see the divisions scrapped. In this scenario, the SEC could go to 9 games, five permanent and four rotating. This way, all rivalries would be kept, each student would be able to visit every campus Ina four year career, and the top two teams overall would play each year in the SECCG. The give teams I would like to see Tennessee play each year are Bama, Vandy, Kentucky, Georgia, and Auburn. Auburn was a great rivalry before 92.
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Better than the Florida rivalry during the Spurrier era? I didn't follow football before 1992, but I doubt it. Replace Auburn with Florida, and I'd be intrigued.
 
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AboveAllNations said:
Better than the Florida rivalry during the Spurrier era? I didn't follow football before 1992, but I doubt it. Replace Auburn with Florida, and I'd be intrigued.
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No, probably not as good as the 90-01 years with Florida, but much better overall IMO. But I would be satisfied either way and I think this would give us a better matchup in the SECCG (such as several UF/UT matchups in the 90's, Bama/LSU a few yrs ago).
 
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AboveAllNations said:
Obviously I don't speak for every Vol fan, but yeah I could. It would certainly make our path the SEC Championship game a lot easier, where we might face Alabama anyway.

How about swapping Missouri for Alabama? This is what the cross-divisional schedule would look like:

- Auburn v. Alabama
- Arkansas v. Tennessee
- LSU v. Florida
- Missouri v. Georgia
- Texas AM v. South Carolina
- Ole Miss v. Vanderbilt
- Miss St. v. Kentucky

This would make the SEC East a bit stronger than the SEC West, and essentially preserve the Tennessee/Alabama game at the expense of Auburn/ Georgia. Alabama would get to play teams like Georgia, Florida and South Carolina on an annual basis though, so that would be interesting...
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you lose alabama vs. most of the sec west, especially lsu.

you also lose auburn-georgia
 
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AboveAllNations said:
Assuming we choose Florida as our cross-divisional rival, we would lose the Kentucky and Vanderbilt games and travel several times a year to Mississipi / Texas / Arkansas. Thanks but no thanks.
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Dang...that would be some traveling wouldn't it.

Honestly dont care about vandy or ky tho.
 
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