2020 Presidential Race

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Orange_Crush said:
All that to agree with me? (You do know what "personal incredulity" is, right?)
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Personal incredulity would be me saying:

“Widespread fraud didn’t happen bc I don’t see how it could happen”.

What I’m saying:

“It didn’t happen bc there has been zero evidence of it happening. Zero. Nada. Zilch.”

I understand that you want to use the voting machine thing as proof. I also understand you want to extrapolate it out to widespread fraud bc it fits the narrative that you desire - that your preferred candidate was cheated.

But you do understand what “evidence” and “zero” mean, right?
 
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volinbham said:
The basic message is correct. If there is fraud it should be exposed but it's extremely unlikely that there was enough fraud to swing the election.

Shouldn't we want to root out fraud either way?
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I don’t think anyone disagrees that credible fraud claims should be looked into.

However the accusation from the right, every election cycle, is that all the fraud is from the left when nothing credible has EVER been presented.

But there has been a couple Trumpers arrested for attempting to vote twice. One in NV who sent in an absentee ballot then came to the polls on ED claiming they never got their ballot. And another in PA who tried to send in his dead mother’s absentee.

While I’m glad these two idiots got caught I’m not calling all 71 million Trump votes fraudulent. Even if I personally can’t understand how 71 million people voted for him.

See the distinction?
 
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MarcoVol said:
Personal incredulity would be me saying:

“Widespread fraud didn’t happen bc I don’t see how it could happen”.

What I’m saying:

“It didn’t happen bc there has been zero evidence of it happening. Zero. Nada. Zilch.”

I understand that you want to use the voting machine thing as proof. I also understand you want to extrapolate it out to widespread fraud bc it fits the narrative that you desire - that your preferred candidate was cheated.

But you do understand what “evidence” and “zero” mean, right?
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Nobody is arguing for “widespread” fraud. We’re arguing for targeted fraud. And there are a lot of questions that need to be answered
 
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GSD82 said:
Blue dogs have been gone for a while. The party is split between radical leftists and full out socialists
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Yeah I haven't heard that term in years before reading the story...if there are 6 or so left...they are welcome to switch parties and give the GOP the majority 20201111_093620.jpg
 
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MarcoVol said:
Personal incredulity would be me saying:

“Widespread fraud didn’t happen bc I don’t see how it could happen”.

What I’m saying:

“It didn’t happen bc there has been zero evidence of it happening. Zero. Nada. Zilch.”

I understand that you want to use the voting machine thing as proof. I also understand you want to extrapolate it out to widespread fraud bc it fits the narrative that you desire - that your preferred candidate was cheated.

But you do understand what “evidence” and “zero” mean, right?
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That's a separate fallacy, along with personal incredulity.

Personal incredulity is claiming that it didn't happen because you can't imagine it happening.

Your latest fallacy is claiming that lack of evidence is evidence of lack. (It's also fallacious to assume that just because you haven't seen evidence, it doesn't exist. You're really stacking them up today.)

None of that is proof that mass fraud didn't happen. More importantly, none of it means that the election is certified and an official winner has been announced.

Again... What's most recently in contest here is that you want Biden accepting the presidency and acting as president-elect while wanting to censor Trump on the same subject. It's blatant hypocrisy based on your personal incredulity and favor for Biden over Trump.

Just admit it and stop exposing your gluts in attempts to try to defend the blatant hypocrisy with fallacious logic.
 
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MarcoVol said:
Personal incredulity would be me saying:

“Widespread fraud didn’t happen bc I don’t see how it could happen”.

What I’m saying:

“It didn’t happen bc there has been zero evidence of it happening. Zero. Nada. Zilch.”

I understand that you want to use the voting machine thing as proof. I also understand you want to extrapolate it out to widespread fraud bc it fits the narrative that you desire - that your preferred candidate was cheated.

But you do understand what “evidence” and “zero” mean, right?
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I guess that’s why there are now three FBI probes in Michigan and one in PA looking into the matter. So apparently there’s more than zero, nada, zilch. Now, I don’t know if anything comes of it and maybe wouldn’t be enough votes to change the outcome, but that’s why we investigate things like this...so it doesn’t become a bigger problem in future elections. There’s only so long you can ask people to turn a blind eye to nefarious activities. Do you not think the American people deserve completely fair and easily certifiable elections?
 
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NCFisher said:
Oh please; is there any evidence that she personally has been accused of fraud? I’d wager that’s a big no. She’s a military wife and a former ACLU lawyer who has apparently taken the opportunity to make this personal and to exercise some misplaced indignation.
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Did you read the story? Did you see where she identified her address as one of the addresses being accused of fraud. You don't read pass the headline do you?
 
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Vol737 said:
I guess that’s why there are now three FBI probes in Michigan and one in PA looking into the matter. So apparently there’s more than zero, nada, zilch. Now, I don’t know if anything comes of it and maybe wouldn’t be enough votes to change the outcome, but that’s why we investigate things like this...so it doesn’t become a bigger problem in future elections. There’s only so long you can ask people to turn a blind eye to nefarious activities. Do you not think the American people deserve completely fair and easily certifiable elections?
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  1. Personal incredulity isn't proof. It's a fallacy.
  2. The absence of proof of an occurrence doesn't mean that an occurrence didn't happen. There are innumerable occurrences that we were unaware of until we found evidence for them. To argue otherwise would be to argue for a static, unchanging universe.
  3. One's ignorance about a subject doesn't define the subject. It merely defines one's ignorance on the subject.
According to the conversation so far, he believes Biden should be able to prematurely accept the presidency while the POTUS is censored on the subject. See above for his defense of that position.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
That's a separate fallacy, along with personal incredulity.

Personal incredulity is claiming that it didn't happen because you can't imagine it happening.

Your latest fallacy is claiming that lack of evidence is evidence of lack. (It's also fallacious to assume that just because you haven't seen evidence, it doesn't exist. You're really stacking them up today.)

None of that is proof that mass fraud didn't happen. More importantly, none of it means that the election is certified and an official winner has been announced.

Again... What's most recently in contest here is that you want Biden accepting the presidency and acting as president-elect while wanting to censor Trump on the same subject. It's blatant hypocrisy based on your personal incredulity and favor for Biden over Trump.

Just admit it and stop exposing your gluts in attempts to try to defend the blatant hypocrisy with fallacious logic.
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Personal incredulity is claiming that it didn't happen because you can't imagine it happening.

I feel like you need to read this again, slowly this time. Because this isn’t what I’m saying, at all.

So let me repeat- it didn’t happen because there is no evidence, no proof of it happening. Not bc I can’t see it happening but bc as of now - it didn’t happen. And it didn’t happen bc there is no evidence of it happening.

Did I want to Biden to win? You betcha.

And I’m ok with him having an acceptance speech, not bc I wanted him to win, but again because the actual votes (the actual evidence - they counted votes and he had more of them than his opponent, and more in the states he needed than his opponent to win the EC).

Trump, on the other hand, doesn’t have the counted votes to claim victory. Spout off about all the fallacies you want, but this is a simple truth, proven with math.

I’m guessing next you’re gonna tell me that math is a liberal construct meant to confuse republicans and it shouldn’t count bc of your feelings.
 
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Vol737 said:
I guess that’s why there are now three FBI probes in Michigan and one in PA looking into the matter. So apparently there’s more than zero, nada, zilch. Now, I don’t know if anything comes of it and maybe wouldn’t be enough votes to change the outcome, but that’s why we investigate things like this...so it doesn’t become a bigger problem in future elections. There’s only so long you can ask people to turn a blind eye to nefarious activities. Do you not think the American people deserve completely fair and easily certifiable elections?
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Holy shite.

I’ve said numerous times - investigate it.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
You get what you vote for. These folks in here who voted for him don’t realize what’s coming, especially if they win the senate. Socialized healthcare, green new deal, lockdowns, mask mandates, job killing regulations, attacks on religious freedom, etc. etc.
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Medicare for all isn't happening but would be amazing
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
You get what you vote for. These folks in here who voted for him don’t realize what’s coming, especially if they win the senate. Socialized healthcare, green new deal, lockdowns, mask mandates, job killing regulations, attacks on religious freedom, etc. etc.
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LoL. Not hardly. Maybe stricter mask mandates, but the other stuff is baloney.

Have you read Biden's healthcare plan? You have it confused with Bernie's
 
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