2020 Presidential Race

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I think this is from the guy who said there were a "non-zero number" of poll watchers.
 
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As I have stated before I first met Trump in1979 and had been around him in business in the 80's and 90's. The last time I was involved with him on a business deal he reneged on terms he had agreed to a week before. We informed him that we are withdrawing our offer and pass on doing business with his company.

After that his position was he withdrew from doing business with us and we were the bad guys.

Never his fault.

Will you now take a pass on doing business with this man?
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Barr is right. I think this election was stolen. But Trump went too far with that speech yesterday.
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Disagree. I listened do it and he never said anything about getting violent or breaking into the place. Plus let me ask you, are people supposed to sit back and just let elections be stolen? There should be consequences for these people
 
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GSD82 said:
Disagree. I listened do it and he never said anything about getting violent or breaking into the place. Plus let me ask you, are people supposed to sit back and just let elections be stolen? There should be consequences for these people
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Absolutely not. But we certainly shouldn't act like the left and destroy property and invade the capital. There's a better way. There needs to be a real leader showing the way. What Cruz was trying to do is the way, problem is there is so much corruption in there it didn't matter. I'm not sure what the answer is, but violence is not.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Absolutely not. But we certainly shouldn't act like the left and destroy property and invade the capital. There's a better way. There needs to be a real leader showing the way. What Cruz was trying to do is the way, problem is there is so much corruption in there it didn't matter. I'm not sure what the answer is, but violence is not.
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We 100% need to redo the election process. Problem is those in power want to stay in power and won't do it. Ranked voting and term limits for all should be a start
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Absolutely not. But we certainly shouldn't act like the left and destroy property and invade the capital. There's a better way. There needs to be a real leader showing the way. What Cruz was trying to do is the way, problem is there is so much corruption in there it didn't matter. I'm not sure what the answer is, but violence is not.
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Even if the process went through yesterday nothing was going to happen, so many Rs are swamp creatures and only care about self preservation. There really wasn't much violence except for by the scumbag who shot the peaceful lady. I am ok with those cowards getting scared and being reminded they work for us, they need to remember that. I am to the point where I hate just about every single one of them. I am almost just to the point of being anti government period because these scumbags will always lookout for the status quo and each other.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Absolutely not. But we certainly shouldn't act like the left and destroy property and invade the capital. There's a better way. There needs to be a real leader showing the way. What Cruz was trying to do is the way, problem is there is so much corruption in there it didn't matter. I'm not sure what the answer is, but violence is not.
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Cruz was 100% spot on yesterday. It was the right thing to do. Not for Trump. He was emphatic about that. But what he was lobbying for would have been the best decision all the way around regardless of what came of it. Everyone coward out. And it would have totally protected the system.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
We 100% need to redo the election process. Problem is those in power want to stay in power and won't do it. Ranked voting and term limits for all should be a start
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For constitutionalists and career politicians to deny how the constitution was intended to work in unconstitutional. DC has made a career out of being a public servent. It was never intended to be a lifelong job, with full salary retirement and lifelong healthcare far superior than Joe Schmoe. The vision was to go do your public service in congress then go back to your daily life. The most oblivious person to America is the one who has spent inexcusable amounts of time in DC and is largely their only job they've ever had.
 
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GVF said:
For constitutionalists and career politicians to deny how the constitution was intended to work in unconstitutional. DC has made a career out of being a public servent. It was never intended to be a lifelong job, with full salary retirement and lifelong healthcare far superior than Joe Schmoe. The vision was to go do your public service in congress then go back to your daily life. The most oblivious person to America is the one who has spent inexcusable amounts of time in DC and is largely their only job they've ever had.
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Exactly why term limits at all levels should be a thing. Things would get done better and faster if the morons in DC had to deal with the **** they do or don't do. Also we need age limits 82 year olds shouldn't be making decisions for the direction of this country.
 
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luthervol said:
How so?
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Go back and look at the tapes when the protestors were going into the capitol - look at the cops - it was almost like they led a select group in. Did you see fires burning in the building, statues pulled down, paint on the walls? You didn't. What you did see looked more like some sightseers taking pictures of themselves for souvenirs. At times it actually looked staged. When you looney leftists learn to protest like that, get back to us.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Absolutely not. But we certainly shouldn't act like the left and destroy property and invade the capital. There's a better way. There needs to be a real leader showing the way. What Cruz was trying to do is the way, problem is there is so much corruption in there it didn't matter. I'm not sure what the answer is, but violence is not.
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You and I don't agree that the election was stolen, but I admire your willingness to say the violence was uncalled for, rather than "whatabout" the Antifa riots. I haven't read every post in the last 24 hours, but some of the VN defense of what happened yesterday has really surprised me.

(Before anybody "whatabouts" me, I've previously said destroying property and breaking into places is bad).
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Absolutely not. But we certainly shouldn't act like the left and destroy property and invade the capital. There's a better way. There needs to be a real leader showing the way. What Cruz was trying to do is the way, problem is there is so much corruption in there it didn't matter. I'm not sure what the answer is, but violence is not.
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While I agree that violence is not the right answer, there's plenty of evidence that it works. The left has been throwing tantrums for years and the government has been throwing them bones and neglecting the bad behavior. Hard to say there's not a lesson there.
 
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GVF said:
For constitutionalists and career politicians to deny how the constitution was intended to work in unconstitutional. DC has made a career out of being a public servent. It was never intended to be a lifelong job, with full salary retirement and lifelong healthcare far superior than Joe Schmoe. The vision was to go do your public service in congress then go back to your daily life. The most oblivious person to America is the one who has spent inexcusable amounts of time in DC and is largely their only job they've ever had.
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Mostly agree, but no politician in DC lately has been a public servant; they certainly have been lifer public figures.
 
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AM64 said:
While I agree that violence is not the right answer, there's plenty of evidence that it works. The left has been throwing tantrums for years and the government has been throwing them bones and neglecting the bad behavior. Hard to say there's not a lesson there.
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That's true. The left is never held accountable for their behavior, and in fact, government caves to them. it's why we have radical dems in power right now
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
That's true. The left is never held accountable for their behavior, and in fact, government caves to them. it's why we have radical dems in power right now
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We don't have radical democrats in power. The extreme right has pushed the Overton Window so far over that what would be considered moderate conservatives or centrists anywhere else in the world are considered left extremists here. We've lost perspective.
 
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AshG said:
We don't have radical democrats in power. The extreme right has pushed the Overton Window so far over that what would be considered moderate conservatives or centrists anywhere else in the world are considered left extremists here. We've lost perspective.
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If you don't think that Harris, AOC, Omar, Warnock and Ossoff are radicals, you're either ignorant or blind
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
If you don't think that Harris, AOC, Omar, Warnock and Ossoff are radicals, you're either ignorant or blind
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Or I have a much more broad frame of reference to work from. They may be radical for America at this particular moment in American political history, but again - America isn't the world.
 
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