2022 Governor Elections (36 States)

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Thunder Good-Oil said:
She wasn’t all over the shoulder. Her right wheels were on the shoulder for a few seconds. Most of the time she was holding a steady track in her lane. She’s a bad driver. Arresting her for DWI is bull ****. The cop administering the tests was a mess. “Have you blown up a balloon? It’s like that.” So she puffs, puffs, puffs and the cop couldn’t correct her with concise verbal instructions. She was administered the follow the pen test for several minutes and was barely given a chance to use the breathalyzer before the cop lost patience and whips out the cuffs. Mrs West didn’t appear to be familiar with how the breathalyzer works… kind of like she hasn’t done one before. Horrible judgement by the cop. Mrs West mentions medical issues which the cop did not seem to consider.
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The video speaks for itself as to her driving, but no judge is going to say that’s a bad stop or that her driving isn’t evidence that goes to whether she was DUI. He didn’t consider her excuses because he hears that stuff all the time. Everybody has an excuse.

Once he develops probable cause, which happened as soon as the smell of alcohol is added to her driving and response to the blue lights, it’s up to a jury or a prosecutor to consider whether her excuses create a reasonable doubt.

The way she was driving and the way she presented, he’s absolutely justified in stopping her from driving further in moderately heavy traffic with a child in the car. He’s justified in getting a toxicology report. He’d be justifiably fired and castigated if she had a wreck later on.

I’m all for police reform, but I’m not sure how you reform this in a way that doesn’t cause more problems than it solves.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
She’s on pills or something. She completely failed the nystagmus test which is the easiest way to judge that someone is under the influence. I wouldn’t have arrested and it could be a political hit job but the traffic stop justification and the failing of the test seem valid
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WTF? Her eyes were following the pen the entire time.

Is there another video you were watching or is that just cop bias?
 
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RockyTop85 said:
The video speaks for itself as to her driving, but no judge is going to say that’s a bad stop or that her driving isn’t evidence that goes to whether she was DUI. He didn’t consider her excuses because he hears that stuff all the time. Everybody has an excuse.

Once he develops probable cause, which happened as soon as the smell of alcohol is added to her driving and response to the blue lights, it’s up to a jury or a prosecutor to consider whether her excuses create a reasonable doubt.

The way she was driving and the way she presented, he’s absolutely justified in stopping her from driving further in moderately heavy traffic with a child in the car. He’s justified in getting a toxicology report. He’d be justifiably fired and castigated if she had a wreck later on.

I’m all for police reform, but I’m not sure how you reform this in a way that doesn’t cause more problems than it solves.
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RockyTop85 said:
The video speaks for itself as to her driving, but no judge is going to say that’s a bad stop or that her driving isn’t evidence that goes to whether she was DUI. He didn’t consider her excuses because he hears that stuff all the time. Everybody has an excuse.

Once he develops probable cause, which happened as soon as the smell of alcohol is added to her driving and response to the blue lights, it’s up to a jury or a prosecutor to consider whether her excuses create a reasonable doubt.

The way she was driving and the way she presented, he’s absolutely justified in stopping her from driving further in moderately heavy traffic with a child in the car. He’s justified in getting a toxicology report. He’d be justifiably fired and castigated if she had a wreck later on.

I’m all for police reform, but I’m not sure how you reform this in a way that doesn’t cause more problems than it solves.
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I never said it was wrong to stop her (although the aggressive drivers weren’t pulled over… instead they pull over a timid driver). I said that the arrest is bull ****. If they weren’t lying about smelling alcohol, they should have put more effort into the breathalyzer. Bad arrest. ****** cop administering the test and deciding to put her in the cuffs.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
I never said it was wrong to stop her (although the aggressive drivers weren’t pulled over… instead they pull over a timid driver). I said that the arrest is bull ****. If they weren’t lying about smelling alcohol, they should have put more effort into the breathalyzer. Bad arrest. ****** cop administering the test and deciding to put her in the cuffs.
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Legally, it’s not a bad arrest.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
It’s not just that.
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She kept her head perfectly still. I’ve seen many videos of drunks that repeatedly turn their head to follow the pen.

She also had had the aneurism behind her eye. Perhaps that effects when her eyes begin to flutter when following the pen.

What specifically did you see that made you decide she failed? The test went on for several minutes. How would being sleepy affect results? Her speech was perfect… not slurring. She walked the line fine… just didn’t follow the garbled instructions perfectly. It was very noisy and she was very stressed. It is very understandable that she missed or didn’t recall 1 or 2 of 8 or 10 instructions. Especially considering how poor the cop was communicating the instructions to her. Bull **** arrest.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
The affidavit says he smelled alcohol. That plus her driving plus her response time and “parking” is pretty textbook probable cause for arrest and blood draw.

If her toxicology comes back with no alcohol, then roast him.
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Everybody isn’t a perfect driver and don't do a terrific job when when being lit up. She didn’t appear to be too experienced with the being pulled over procedure.

She volunteered for the breathalyzer. Why wouldn't they put more effort into properly administering that test before arresting her? Bull **** arrest. Tyrant administering the roadside tests.

Although I’m not bothered with her being pulled over, why did the cop ignore the aggressive driver tailgating her just before he pulled her over?
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Legally, it’s not a bad arrest.
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It was a bad arrest when using common sense. Cop would have looked ridiculous administering tests for 20 or 30 minutes and then saying “Never mind. My bad. You’re not drunk.”

She wasn’t stumbling. Her head was perfectly still while her eyes followed the pen. There was very little effort put in to getting breathalyzer results that West volunteered to take. The cop administering the tests was communicating the instructions very poorly. Bull **** arrest by a tyrant.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
The affidavit says he smelled alcohol. That plus her driving plus her response time and “parking” is pretty textbook probable cause for arrest and blood draw.

If her toxicology comes back with no alcohol, then roast him.
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I’ve only watched the video once. Wasn’t it a male cop that pulled her over (and it was reasonable) but a different female cop doing a crappy job of administering tests? The cop doing the testing slapped on the cuffs and maybe never even witnessed her actual driving,
 
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I was wrong about expecting her to be a privileged, mouthy douche canoe. She was very, very nice and cooperative. I’ll be surprised if she was under the influence of pills since Allen should have been aware of that possibility and would not have gone off like he did. Some people just can’t drive very well or have medical issues that make them less than perfect on the road. My mother would panic in that situation and she never touches alcohol or takes anything else that would define her as under the influence. We have too many BS laws and poorly trained LEOs being protected by unions and shielded by qualified immunity.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
I’ve only watched the video once. Wasn’t it a male cop that pulled her over (and it was reasonable) but a different female cop doing a crappy job of administering tests? The cop doing the testing slapped on the cuffs and maybe never even witnessed her actual driving,
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There’s a police team doctrine where the judge will look at whether probable cause existed, not necessarily whether the specific officer who decided to cuff her observed all the facts that created probable cause.

If her toxicology comes back clean then your arguments about why she might have been driving that way are winners and she should 100% be acquitted of the DUI charge.

But even if that happens, I’d still think it was a good arrest. I don’t want front line police officers exercising their discretion over whether somebody who is a potential hazard gets back behind the wheel. Most of them are idiots.

A lot of DUI arrests look marginal and then you see the toxicology report and it’s over the legal limit. The limit is arbitrary and stupid, but that’s a legislator problem, not a “give discretion to public servants making 30k a year” problem.

IMO, This lady was 100% going to get arrested after they smelled the alcohol. The FST’s were just to try to make a stronger case for conviction.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
There’s a police team doctrine where the judge will look at whether probable cause existed, not necessarily whether the specific officer who decided to cuff her observed all the facts that created probable cause.

If her toxicology comes back clean then your arguments about why she might have been driving that way are winners and she should 100% be acquitted of the DUI charge.

But even if that happens, I’d still think it was a good arrest. I don’t want front line police officers exercising their discretion over whether somebody who is a potential hazard gets back behind the wheel. Most of them are idiots.

A lot of DUI arrests look marginal and then you see the toxicology report and it’s over the legal limit. The limit is arbitrary and stupid, but that’s a legislator problem, not a “give discretion to public servants making 30k a year” problem.

IMO, This lady was 100% going to get arrested after they smelled the alcohol. The FST’s were just to try to make a stronger case for conviction.
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Dallas cops aren’t making $30k. More like $150-$200k.

Smelled alcohol? In the middle of the highway with cars zooming by on both sides? Or smelled alcohol ON HER BREATHE while doing the tests?

When cops can say they smell alcohol and lock people up and face no harsh penalties if they were mistaken, then it is a broken legal and LE system. It seems unlikely that she had been drinking. If so, the cops lied about smelling alcohol. We’ll see. Blood test will reveal a lot. The road side tests were a cluster **** administered by a less than competent PO.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Dallas cops aren’t making $30k. More like $150-$200k.

Smelled alcohol? In the middle of the highway with cars zooming by on both sides? Or smelled alcohol ON HER BREATHE while doing the tests?

When cops can say they smell alcohol and lock people up and face no harsh penalties if they were mistaken, then it is a broken legal and LE system. It seems unlikely that she had been drinking. If so, the cops lied about smelling alcohol. We’ll see. Blood test will reveal a lot. The road side tests were a cluster **** administered by a less than competent PO.
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60-80k.
 
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Almost 3 minutes putting a flashlight in her face and making her follow the pen around. It gave me a headache just watching.

45 seconds (including poorly communicated instructions) of having her blow into the machine. Putting a little more effort into getting a breathalyzer reading from somebody that said she’s never even been pulled before is reasonable.

I also rewatched her driving. The first time she had two wheels onto the shoulder there was a truck slowing in front of her and a car racing up behind her that then tailgated her. She could have been moving toward the shoulder as a defensive maneuver in case the reckless driver behind her was about to rear end her. The second time she had wheels on the shoulder was in a turn.

On first view I did not notice that when she stopped in the middle of the road, there was a truck stopped directly in front of her. Then she simply stayed in that spot since a police car was directly behind her with the lights going.

The audio is muted so what she is being told by the officer is unknown. She then pulled to the right and stopped there. Then she went around the corner. All of that with no audio… so what was she being told to do?

Her driving doesn’t look nearly as poor to me on second viewing.

She is clearly stressed out by the situation. The cop doing the testing isn’t communicating very well at all. She was very frustrated, but complied with every request. Volunteering to take the breathalyzer is huge IMO and there was very little effort by the cop to complete that test successfully.

Bull **** arrest. Also, why all of the editing of the video and why is so much audio muted?

I wish that the blood test results didn’t take so long. Maybe she is under the influence of prescription meds. But that isn’t necessarily illegal… depends on her Rx and dosage.
 
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Police officer is close to the bottom of jobs I would ever consider. 252 homicides in Dallas in 2020 and this is the type of thing some of their officers decide is an appropriate way to spend their time and the systems resources. Is it any wonder the police systems are coming under scrutiny?
 
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RockyTop85 said:
She was all over the shoulder, slow to respond to the emergency signal, and then tried to stop in the middle of traffic on a busy highway.

That’s pretty close to probable cause before she even gets out of the car.
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She's a elderly, woman driver, I'd have expected nothing different.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Everybody isn’t a perfect driver and don't do a terrific job when when being lit up. She didn’t appear to be too experienced with the being pulled over procedure.

She volunteered for the breathalyzer. Why wouldn't they put more effort into properly administering that test before arresting her? Bull **** arrest. Tyrant administering the roadside tests.

Although I’m not bothered with her being pulled over, why did the cop ignore the aggressive driver tailgating her just before he pulled her over?
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And the two trucks that went by with a faulty headlight.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
The cop struggled to explain how to steadily blow into the breathalyzer. I think that the arresting officer might have been drunk and should have been arrested.
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I'm still looking for the "witches" the officer was talking about. 😧😢
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Decent argument until she smelled like alcohol. If no alcohol or drugs on the toxicology report then argument is still good. In fact, stronger than before.
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If she registers zero alcohol on her blood draw, then every DWI charge coming from that officer should be reviewed. If there is a pattern of corruption then that officer might need to be in cuffs. You cannot prove what they have smelled. When that is used to arbitrarily take away anybody’s freedom, we have a problem.

Has Allen followed up his initial outrage or has he gone silent?
 
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