2024 possible schedule

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There aren't going to be any free lunches for anybody. It really doesn't matter who the permanents are. The balance is going to come from the rotation in the new format rather than permanents. We are used to 7 out of 8 games being permanent. It's either going to be 1 out of 8 or 3 out of 9 that are permanent now. The fewer historical powers in your permanent slots, the more will be in your rotation.
 
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Also, note, if this is how it goes down, with Bama, UK and Vandy being our permanents on a 9 game schedule, our 2025 will look something like this:

2025

  • Week 1: Tennessee vs Syracuse (scheduled for August 30 in Atlanta)
  • Week 2: Tennessee vs Unknown Cupcake
  • Week 3: Tennessee vs Texas
  • Week 4 Tennessee vs. UAB (scheduled for September 20)
  • Week 5: Tennessee @ Missouri
  • Week 6: Tennessee vs LSU
  • Week 7: Tennessee @ Kentucky
  • Week 8: Tennessee @ Alabama
  • Week 9: Tennessee vs. Texas A&M
  • Week 10: Tennessee vs Mississippi State
  • Week 11: Tennessee @ Georgia
  • Week 12: Tennessee vs Vanderbilt
2024
  • Week 1: Tennessee vs Chattanooga (scheduled for August 31)
  • Week 2: Tennessee vs NC State (scheduled for September 7 in Charlotte)
  • Week 3: Tennessee vs Florida
  • Week 4: Tennessee @ Arkansas
  • Week 5: Tennessee @ Oklahoma
  • Week 6: Tennessee vs Kentucky
  • Week 7: Tennessee vs Alabama
  • Week 8: Tennessee @ Ole Miss
  • Week 9: Tennessee vs Auburn
  • Week 10: Tennessee @ South Carolina
  • Week 11: Tennessee vs UTEP (scheduled for November 23)
  • Week 12: Tennessee @ Vanderbilt
 
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So which hypothetical schedule is tougher?
2024 Florida, Auburn, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Ole Miss and Kentucky

Or 2025 w/ UGA, LSU, Texas, aTm, Miss State and Mizzou

I think w/ the current landscape the 2025 group is a little more difficult because of UGA, LSU and the Texas schools .
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
So which hypothetical schedule is tougher?
2024 Florida, Auburn, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Ole Miss and Kentucky

Or 2025 w/ UGA, LSU, Texas, aTm, Miss State and Mizzou

I think w/ the current landscape the 2025 group is a little more difficult because of UGA, LSU and the Texas schools .
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I agree, although in 2025 we would have 8 home games, we would have to go both to Tuscaloosa AND Athens. Then LSU, Texas, Texas A&M also on the schedule, but at home. The conference will be throwing us a bone in 2024 under the scenario and boning us in 2025.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
I agree, although in 2025 we would have 8 home games, we would have to go both to Tuscaloosa AND Athens.
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Yikes. So we’re trading @ Gainesville and @ Tuscalooosa for @ Athens and @ Tuscaloosa? This is why we can’t have nice things. This is very Tennessee. Let’s hope we don’t go to Baton Rouge that season too. I’ll take LSU and aTm at home if we have to go to Bama and UGA. Austin doesn’t really scare me or intimidate me, so I’m good either way.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
There aren't going to be any free lunches for anybody. It really doesn't matter who the permanents are. The balance is going to come from the rotation in the new format rather than permanents. We are used to 7 out of 8 games being permanent. It's either going to be 1 out of 8 or 3 out of 9 that are permanent now. The fewer historical powers in your permanent slots, the more will be in your rotation.
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Maybe. But look at UGA's schedule this year. In the new format, they could have that schedule minus UT.
 
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sjt18 said:
Maybe. But look at UGA's schedule this year. In the new format, they could have that schedule minus UT.
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Here is a breakdown some guy on Twitter did a while back of what the rotation in the 3/6/6 could look like everybody.

Under the 3/6/6 set forth above, UGA would have:

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Year 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, etc. of the new format for UGA:

Florida
Auburn
South Carolina
Tennessee
Ole Miss
LSU
Vandy
Texas
Kentucky

Year 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, etc. of the new format for UGA:

Florida
Auburn
South Carolina
Alabama
Arkansas
Oklahoma
Missouri
Texas A&M
Mississippi State

So it's going to be no free lunches for them either. In the unlikely event the conference let's someone load up on the underbelly of the conference one year, the next year will be pure hell. No, they'll balance the traditional powers in the rotation as best they can. All of our scheduling complaints, at their heart are really just complaints that Bama has been our permanent west rival, because UGA and UF are alot more aggressive out of conference schedulers than we are and have been for years. Both usually play 2 power 5 teams out of conference. The only reason UGA isn't playing @Oklahoma and @Georgia Tech out of conference this year is that the SEC made them cancel their Oklahoma game. Florida played Utah & Florida State last year, Miami and Florida State the year before. Georgia played Oregon and Georgia Tech last year, Clemson and Georgia Tech the year before. Florida is playing Miami and Florida State again in 2024, Georgia is playing Clemson and Georgia Tech again next year. We haven't played more than one P5 team out of conference in 20 years. Of course, we certainly have the crap end of the stick that Bama has been our permanent West opponent, but otherwise, all 3 of us play our division and a rotating opponent. Kinda is what it is. The new 3/6/6 or 1/7/7 will be alot tougher on everyone I think though because everyone is guaranteed to see everyone else alot more frequently.
 
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I will not complain. I am tired of paying premium ticket prices for watching cupcakes in Neyland. For too many years UT has abused their faithful with Sunbelt and OVC opponents.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
Here is a breakdown some guy on Twitter did a while back of what the rotation in the 3/6/6 could look like everybody.

Under the 3/6/6 set forth above, UGA would have:

View attachment 551102

Year 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, etc. of the new format for UGA:

Florida
Auburn
South Carolina
Tennessee
Ole Miss
LSU
Vandy
Texas
Kentucky

Year 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, etc. of the new format for UGA:

Florida
Auburn
South Carolina
Alabama
Arkansas
Oklahoma
Missouri
Texas A&M
Mississippi State

So it's going to be no free lunches for them either. In the unlikely event the conference let's someone load up on the underbelly of the conference one year, the next year will be pure hell. No, they'll balance the traditional powers in the rotation as best they can. All of our scheduling complaints, at their heart are really just complaints that Bama has been our permanent west rival, because UGA and UF are alot more aggressive out of conference schedulers than we are and have been for years. Both usually play 2 power 5 teams out of conference. The only reason UGA isn't playing @Oklahoma and @Georgia Tech out of conference this year is that the SEC made them cancel their Oklahoma game. Florida played Utah & Florida State last year, Miami and Florida State the year before. Georgia played Oregon and Georgia Tech last year, Clemson and Georgia Tech the year before. Florida is playing Miami and Florida State again in 2024, Georgia is playing Clemson and Georgia Tech again next year. We haven't played more than one P5 team out of conference in 20 years. Of course, we certainly have the crap end of the stick that Bama has been our permanent West opponent, but otherwise, all 3 of us play our division and a rotating opponent. Kinda is what it is. The new 3/6/6 or 1/7/7 will be alot tougher on everyone I think though because everyone is guaranteed to see everyone else alot more frequently.
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Ky’s permanents are a joke with that setup
 
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onevol74 said:
I will not complain. I am tired of paying premium ticket prices for watching cupcakes in Neyland. For too many years UT has abused their faithful with Sunbelt and OVC opponents.
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Oh they'll still have cupcakes. In fact, the cupcakes will get cupcakier because of the strength of the SEC schedule.

I still say my favorite year was 2020 when it was an all SEC schedule.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
Here is a breakdown some guy on Twitter did a while back of what the rotation in the 3/6/6 could look like everybody.

Under the 3/6/6 set forth above, UGA would have:

View attachment 551102

Year 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, etc. of the new format for UGA:

Florida
Auburn
South Carolina
Tennessee
Ole Miss
LSU
Vandy
Texas
Kentucky

Year 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, etc. of the new format for UGA:

Florida
Auburn
South Carolina
Alabama
Arkansas
Oklahoma
Missouri
Texas A&M
Mississippi State

So it's going to be no free lunches for them either. In the unlikely event the conference let's someone load up on the underbelly of the conference one year, the next year will be pure hell. No, they'll balance the traditional powers in the rotation as best they can. All of our scheduling complaints, at their heart are really just complaints that Bama has been our permanent west rival, because UGA and UF are alot more aggressive out of conference schedulers than we are and have been for years. Both usually play 2 power 5 teams out of conference. The only reason UGA isn't playing @Oklahoma and @Georgia Tech out of conference this year is that the SEC made them cancel their Oklahoma game. Florida played Utah & Florida State last year, Miami and Florida State the year before. Georgia played Oregon and Georgia Tech last year, Clemson and Georgia Tech the year before. Florida is playing Miami and Florida State again in 2024, Georgia is playing Clemson and Georgia Tech again next year. We haven't played more than one P5 team out of conference in 20 years. Of course, we certainly have the crap end of the stick that Bama has been our permanent West opponent, but otherwise, all 3 of us play our division and a rotating opponent. Kinda is what it is. The new 3/6/6 or 1/7/7 will be alot tougher on everyone I think though because everyone is guaranteed to see everyone else alot more frequently.
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LOL. The rest of the SEC would HOWL if UT got Vandy and UK. Not sure why OU would get UF rather than UT.

But they will just about have to go off the historic records when they design this unless they go to a true round robin.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
So which hypothetical schedule is tougher?
2024 Florida, Auburn, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Ole Miss and Kentucky

Or 2025 w/ UGA, LSU, Texas, aTm, Miss State and Mizzou

I think w/ the current landscape the 2025 group is a little more difficult because of UGA, LSU and the Texas schools .
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Here are all SEC members (current and soon to join) ranked by their cumulative win total over the past two years*:
  • 29 UGa
  • 24 Bama
  • 18 Tennessee
  • 18 Ole Miss
  • 17 Oklahoma
  • 17 Kentucky
  • 16 LSU
  • 16 Miss St
  • 16 Arkansas
  • 15 USCe
  • 13 A&M
  • 13 Texas
  • 12 Florida
  • 12 Mizzou
  • 11 Auburn
  • 7 Vandy
Let's divide them into three tiers: 5 at the top, 5 at the bottom, and 6 in the center:

Tier 1: UGa, Bama, Vols, Ole Miss, and Oklahoma
Tier 2: Kentucky, LSU, Miss St, Arkansas, USCe, and A&M
Tier 3: Texas, Florida, Mizzou, Auburn, and Vandy

Now let's apply that to the rotating schedule. Of course, we don't play ourselves. Also, we meet a T1, a T2, and a T3 every year (Bama, USCe, Vandy). So the schedule rotation is really among 3 top tiers, 5 middles, and 4 cellar dwellers.

Using all that, your 2024 schedule is really balanced: it includes two teams from each tier (Oklahoma and Ole Miss from T1, Kentucky and Arkansas from the center, plus Florida and Auburn from the bottom tier).

But your 2025 schedule has only a single top tier competitor, UGa, with three T2s (LSU, A&M, and Miss St), joined by two T3s (Texas and Mizzou).

Rationally, therefore, the 2025 schedule is a bit easier. BASED ON HOW FOLKS HAVE DONE THE PAST TWO YEARS.

I shout that bit, because we've seen a recent change in the performance of several key teams. For instance, Florida has fallen off the edge of the planet. So did A&M, last season. LSU was uncommonly weak the year before last (they bounced back in 2022 after we whupped them). And Texas continues to be down. Even Oklahoma had a surprisingly bad year in 2022, though that didn't stop them from making the upper tier of this comparison.

Point is, we don't any of us know if these sea changes are permanent. Will Florida remain a basket case for years to come? [answer: as long as they're led by Billy Napier, think so]. Can A&M bounce right back? Will Oklahoma and Texas implode from shock of SEC-level competition, week-in and week-out?

We just don't know. We can be confident that Bama, UGa, and Tennessee will continue to do well, that Ole Miss under Lane Kiffin will always be competitive but not championship caliber, that Kentucky has hit their mediocre ceiling, and that Vandy will always be at the bottom, but everything else could change.

So who knows, really?

Heh.

Go Vols!





* Why two years? We want to stay recent, because we need to know how the programs are doing NOW. But a single season can be an outlier (just look at A&M last fall). A two-year snapshot balances those two requirements.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Here are all SEC members (current and soon to join) ranked by their cumulative win total over the past two years*:
  • 29 UGa
  • 24 Bama
  • 18 Tennessee
  • 18 Ole Miss
  • 17 Oklahoma
  • 17 Kentucky
  • 16 LSU
  • 16 Miss St
  • 16 Arkansas
  • 15 USCe
  • 13 A&M
  • 13 Texas
  • 12 Florida
  • 12 Mizzou
  • 11 Auburn
  • 7 Vandy
Let's divide them into three tiers: 5 at the top, 5 at the bottom, and 6 in the center:

Tier 1: UGa, Bama, Vols, Ole Miss, and Oklahoma
Tier 2: Kentucky, LSU, Miss St, Arkansas, USCe, and A&M
Tier 3: Texas, Florida, Mizzou, Auburn, and Vandy

Now let's apply that to the rotating schedule. Of course, we don't play ourselves. Also, we meet a T1, a T2, and a T3 every year (Bama, USCe, Vandy). So the schedule rotation is really among 3 top tiers, 5 middles, and 4 cellar dwellers.

Using all that, your 2024 schedule is really balanced: it includes two teams from each tier (Oklahoma and Ole Miss from T1, Kentucky and Arkansas from the center, plus Florida and Auburn from the bottom tier).

But your 2025 schedule has only a single top tier competitor, UGa, with three T2s (LSU, A&M, and Miss St), joined by two T3s (Texas and Mizzou).

Rationally, therefore, the 2025 schedule is a bit easier. BASED ON HOW FOLKS HAVE DONE THE PAST TWO YEARS.

I shout that bit, because we've seen a recent change in the performance of several key teams. For instance, Florida has fallen off the edge of the planet. So did A&M, last season. LSU was uncommonly weak the year before last (they bounced back in 2022 after we whupped them). And Texas continues to be down. Even Oklahoma had a surprisingly bad year in 2022, though that didn't stop them from making the upper tier of this comparison.

Point is, we don't any of us know if these sea changes are permanent. Will Florida remain a basket case for years to come? [answer: as long as they're led by Billy Napier, think so]. Can A&M bounce right back? Will Oklahoma and Texas implode from shock of SEC-level competition, week-in and week-out?

We just don't know. We can be confident that Bama, UGa, and Tennessee will continue to do well, that Ole Miss under Lane Kiffin will always be competitive but not championship caliber, that Kentucky has hit their mediocre ceiling, and that Vandy will always be at the bottom, but everything else could change.

So who knows, really?

Heh.

Go Vols!





* Why two years? We want to stay recent, because we need to know how the programs are doing NOW. But a single season can be an outlier (just look at A&M last fall). A two-year snapshot balances those two requirements.
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Supposedly the conference is doing the balancing based on the last 10 years (if Nick Saban is to be believed), which works out like this:

1. Alabama, 126-14.
2. Georgia, 109-26
3. Oklahoma, 103-28
4. LSU, 90-38
5. Texas A&M, 79-46
6. Auburn, 79-50
7. Florida, 75-51
8. Mississippi State, 75-53
9. Ole Miss, 70-53
10. Missouri, 70-56
11. Texas, 69-56
12. Tennessee, 68-56
13. Kentucky, 66-59
14. South Carolina, 64-61
15. Arkansas, 52-71
16. Vanderbilt, 43-77
 
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everyone is going to have a tougher schedule but I dont think these4 game stretches will be any tougher than the string of Fla, @uga, @a&M & bama the sec thru at Tennessee a few years ago in 4 straight weekends.

Tennessee and Auburn are the only 2 teams playing Ga and Ala every year so the adjustment for them wont be near as tough. Ga will have the biggest change IMO as they have been playing Ala & LSU once each every 8 yrs and NEVER play them both in the same reg season. Now they will play them every other year each.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
Supposedly the conference is doing the balancing based on the last 10 years (if Nick Saban is to be believed), which works out like this:

1. Alabama, 126-14.
2. Georgia, 109-26
3. Oklahoma, 103-28
4. LSU, 90-38
5. Texas A&M, 79-46
6. Auburn, 79-50
7. Florida, 75-51
8. Mississippi State, 75-53
9. Ole Miss, 70-53
10. Missouri, 70-56
11. Texas, 69-56
12. Tennessee, 68-56
13. Kentucky, 66-59
14. South Carolina, 64-61
15. Arkansas, 52-71
16. Vanderbilt, 43-77
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Yeah, 10 years clearly reaches too far back.

Those poor teams who draw Tennessee as their "Tier 3" permanent opponent, they're screwed. Because they really get two Tier 1s and no Tier 3.

Mizzou and Auburn are too high, Ole Miss is too low, but really the teams who are getting the shaft are those who get the Vols as a permanent foe.

Heh.

Go Vols!
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Yeah, 10 years clearly reaches too far back.

Those poor teams who draw Tennessee as their "Tier 3" permanent opponent, they're screwed. Because they really get two Tier 1s and no Tier 3.

Mizzou and Auburn are too high, Ole Miss is too low, but really the teams who are getting the shaft are those who get the Vols as a permanent foe.

Heh.

Go Vols!
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Nick Saban said mostly the same thing.
 
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sjt18 said:
Why? Someone has to be removed. I personally don't like ANY permanent rival games. I understand the history. Sometimes history just needs to be history.
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Totally agree, why should we be the only ones playing Bama, UGA, UF every year. UF has been down but they are a coach from being back on the way up.

We suffered through Bama's entire dynasty.....let someone else suffer through UGA's. Georgia certainly doesnt play a tough schedule. That "anyone, anytime" mentality isnt how they have won 2. Would you rather have 2 national championships or a reputation of playing anyone anytime?
 
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