2024 Presidential Race

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RockyTop85 said:
You typed all of that and managed to add nothing to either of the relevant points.

First relevant point: You spent years whining about Trump being investigated for the exact same thing. And now you want somebody to take a second look at Steele even though, according to you, it was already looked into?

But it wasn’t exactly the same, was it? Trump’s campaign was meeting and sharing info with known, active, non-retired agents of an adversarial foreign government that was known to be engaged in a campaign to help him win the election. And even that wasn’t clearly illegal, according to people with far more subject matter experience than either of us.

But sure, they might have gotten a pass on hiring Steele for other reasons.

Second relevant point: whether it was illegal to hire Steele would depend on the contents of statute, which I asked you for and you did not provide.

The statute is needed to make sense of what you mean when you say “foreign agent” because you seem to be avoiding a definition in order for that term to mean whatever you need it to mean. In short: you’re at the collusion stage of the horseshoe.

Pick a lane. Either you suddenly think “collusion” should be investigated and is sanctionable, regardless of whether it’s actually illegal, or you still don’t.
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I can't think of too many times I have complained about Trump being investigated. I may chuckle or express some exasperation at some of it just because of "boy who cries wolf" if you want to semantically pigeonhole that into "whining" go for it.

that wasn't the discussion. I didn't comment on the merits of a new investigation. my OP was merely pointing out it was established fact that they did conspire with a foreign agent. when you brought up other points about needing the investigation I said it had already been done, and any wrong doing should be proven in a court of law. which I don't think meets your "day of reckoning", but maybe you are trying to put words in my mouth again.

this is where you get very lawyery with semantic battles, whether an X-spy is still considered an agent. which is quiet the deviation from the original argument of whether or not there was anything to investigate. I do believe you included some hyperbole in your OP which I am generally avoiding due to its nature, so maybe that is where you are trying to lawyer in some deeper meaning I haven't assigned to posts.

its a long way from being hyperbolic about if there is anything to investigate at all, to having to go to a Bill Clinton "depends on what your definition of "is" is" when discussing past investigations. I pointed out the investigations you were either unaware of, or leaving out as an purposeful omission, and expressed no desire for more of them. I posted what I took to be the findings from those investigations and posted them here, and you are taking exception with them without addressing them directly. you are instead playing word games assigning more emphasis on the ways you can twist words vs the actually addressing what I actually quoted.

Now if you want to badger me for your own bit of hyperbolic fun: a foreign spy who claims "retirement", likely just from his official spying job with the M16 or whatever, but who still does spy like activities, like dig up non-public knowledge, has access to the resources of a spy, is still an "agent" IMO. he walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck, I don't really care if his income tax filings still list "spy" as his employment. some reasons for this opinion: Igor Danchenko was his main contact, another foreign agent, someone who worked for the Russians and was investigated by the FBI for previous spy like activities, insert your legalese dismalls here, in 2011. one of those Russians was Olga Kalkina, who works for the government run news agency RIA Novosti, insert same legalese deflection here. I really very much doubt people steeped into state craft, like the involved individuals have an established history of, fall into too many legalese definitions easily. but for the purposes of an anonymous political forum, its good enough for me to look at all of that and come up with the opinion of "yeah he's a foreign agent".

I am sure it won't satisfy you in your digital courtroom as you type out another series of legalese bad arsey to prove you are the smartest guy in the thread trying to catch people on invented technicalities that weren't part of the original discussion.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
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I still remember when that dude beat Medicare.
 
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LouderVol said:
question for anyone: Does Kamala still certify this election as VP? or is there a conflict of interest clause with her being the lead name on the ballot?

Thinking back to Pence and how the Dems were afraid he was going to coup Biden by not certifying the electoral votes, or whatever the exact fear mongering was on 1/6. seems like even more of a risk when you are certifying potentially yourself.
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George H Bush presided over the certification of his own election in 1988. i think that the last time a sitting VP got to declare himself the winner.

We narrowly (and thankfully) missed out on a repeat with Al Gore in 2000. and if Gore would have just carried his home state; he would have won. One of my all time favorite cases of Karmaic Irony ever 😀
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
This loon believes that a man who pleaded guilty to his role in the riot, was actually an FBI agent, who was working as a double agent to facilitate the riot. On top of that, you want to make it seem as though I'm the one who has said something stupid .... That is about as nutty as it gets. You are a kook and a conspiracy theory crackpot. In other words, a typical MAGA member.
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What do you think about Harris’ plan to give $25k first time homebuyers credit?
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
Dude

What the hell is wrong with the Great Hulk Hogan?
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He's got a pretty lengthy history of terrible behavior. If you've ever spoke with former wrestlers, pretty much all of them say he was a garbage human. And there is his racist tirade about his daughter dating a black guy.

Jon Gruden is probably a better endorsement, lol
 
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