'22 NY PF Tobe Awaka (Tennessee commit)

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walkenvol said:
If I were a basketball recruit and a program had already committed their allotment of scholarships, I’d have to seriously consider if the staff would give me a fair look for playing time. Doubt I’d agree to become the 14th MIL funded scholarship unless there was a lot more NIL money added to give me confidence they were serious about me contributing. JMO
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I don’t disagree. In fact, in my hypothetical, if Barnes wasn’t upfront about that, I would think it pretty unethical.

But if he was like: “This is where I want to be, coach. I want to be coached by you and play with my brother,” then why wouldn’t we look into to making that happen while reducing his financial burden? It would make no sense at all.
 
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Jimmy Football said:
The context of my original post was contingent on us not being able to have them both on scholarship and them wanting to play together at Tennessee. None of those things may end up being the case.

But if it does end up being the case, there’s no reason we couldn’t do it. Even if was just as a stop gap until a spot opened. As I said, it’s already happened at this institution.
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What non-Tennessee kids are currently doing this that held multiple HM D1 offers?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
What non-Tennessee kids are currently doing this that held multiple HM D1 offers?
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I have no idea. Does Z’s brother have multiple HM D1 offers?

You’re not reading my posts. If he does have better options, he should take them. I don’t disagree on that.

But if, for whatever reason, he doesn’t want to take them, and wants to be here instead, but we don’t have a scholarship, why would we just dismiss the notion of NIL walkon out of hand? Nobody loses in that situation.
 
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Jimmy Football said:
I have no idea. Does Z’s brother have multiple HM D1 offers?

You’re not reading my posts. If he does have better options, he should take them. I don’t disagree on that.

But if, for whatever reason, he doesn’t want to take them, and wants to be here instead, but we don’t have a scholarship, why would we just dismiss the notion of NIL walkon out of hand. Nobody loses in that situation.
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Yes he does, and yes that is the whole point…I’m sure the kid would like to play with his brother, the kid that just committed in football has a brother at VT, yet he chose Tennessee. The point is it doesn’t really ever happen, no matter how often we want to discuss it as hypotheticals.
 
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The NCAA would crack down on clear abuses of NIL designed to skirt scholarship limits.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Yes he does, and yes that is the whole point…I’m sure the kid would like to play with his brother, the kid that just committed in football has a brother at VT, yet he chose Tennessee. The point is it doesn’t really ever happen, no matter how often we want to discuss it as hypotheticals.
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Respectfully disagree.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Yes he does, and yes that is the whole point…I’m sure the kid would like to play with his brother, the kid that just committed in football has a brother at VT, yet he chose Tennessee. The point is it doesn’t really ever happen, no matter how often we want to discuss it as hypotheticals.
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Are they brothers from a different mother, maybe not growing up together in the same home? Do they have a close relationship?
 
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Jimmy Football said:
Respectfully disagree.
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Guys who have at least one P5 offer almost never turn it down to be a PWO. I remember having this same argument with people who thought the Berry twins could walk on at UT and have Eric pay for it. It just doesn’t happen. If you’re recruiting someone with at least one P5 offer, you should expect that you will have to commit a scholarship to land him.
 
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SGMVols said:
Guys who have at least one P5 offer almost never turn it down to be a PWO. I remember having this same argument with people who thought the Berry twins could walk on at UT and have Eric pay for it. It just doesn’t happen. If you’re recruiting someone with at least one P5 offer, you should expect that you will have to commit a scholarship to land him.
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Another prime example of this is Cedric Tillman. Was offered to walk on at USC but chose UT, who offered him a scholly.

A little different considering the magnitude of UT football, but walking on at USC is no small potatoes either.
 
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SGMVols said:
Guys who have at least one P5 offer almost never turn it down to be a PWO. I remember having this same argument with people who thought the Berry twins could walk on at UT and have Eric pay for it. It just doesn’t happen. If you’re recruiting someone with at least one P5 offer, you should expect that you will have to commit a scholarship to land him.
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Never my point. If he’s got good options, he should take them.

If he doesn’t, and he wants to be here, my whole point is we shouldn’t foreclose it if we don’t end up having a scholarship spot. That was what I was responding to in my original post.

I mean, the Zieglers are well liked around here. He and his brother could make a mint on endorsements. The stories write themselves.
 
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AngryButchJones said:
Another prime example of this is Cedric Tillman. Was offered to walk on at USC but chose UT, who offered him a scholly.

A little different considering the magnitude of UT football, but walking on at USC is no small potatoes either.
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Again, if the younger Ziegler has good options, he should not walk on here. I 100% agree. Sorry if that wasn’t clear to begin with.
 
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Jimmy Football said:
Never my point. If he’s got good options, he should take them.

If he doesn’t, and he wants to be here, my whole point is we shouldn’t foreclose it if we don’t end up having a scholarship spot. That was what I was responding to in my original post.

I mean, the Zieglers are well liked around here. He and his brother could make a mint on endorsements. The stories write themselves.
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He already has good options is what we are all saying, so then that would make your point moot.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Then provide examples/evidence, because there’s plenty to the contrary.
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BTO, I respect you as a poster, but we’re talking past each other, so I tried to politely end our conversation thread.

You said: “This doesn’t happen. Stop talking about it.”

I said: “Why couldn’t it?”

You responded: “This doesn’t happen, provide examples.”

You can see that we’re never going to meet, because we’re talking about different things.

Again, if the younger Z has better options, he should take them. But if he doesn’t want to take them (even if that would be in his best interest) or doesn’t have the options, we shouldn’t turn him away just because we don’t have a scholarship. It’s fine if you disagree, but I don’t know why you think this is such an unreasonable position.
 
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Jimmy Football said:
BTO, I respect you as a poster, but we’re talking past each other, so I tried to politely end our conversation thread.

You said: “This doesn’t happen. Stop talking about it.”

I said: “Why couldn’t it?”

You responded: “This doesn’t happen, provide examples.”

You can see that we’re never going to meet, because we’re talking about different things.

Again, if the younger Z has better options, he should take them. But if he doesn’t want to take them (even if that would be in his best interest) or doesn’t have the options, we shouldn’t turn him away just because we don’t have a scholarship. It’s fine if you disagree, but I don’t know why you think this is such an unreasonable position.
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Again, because it doesn’t happen. He already has good options, so it’s not “if he doesn’t”, so your only take at this point would be that he wants to spurn scholarships elsewhere to walk on and play with his brother, and that’s what I’m referring to when I say that doesn’t really happen.
 
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Camran Douglas chose to walk on for football despite having offers from Memphis, Vanderbilt, and Illinois (plus a couple others). So there's an answer to that question.

Edit: and Shannon Blair who played for West, was committed to Michigan state (who maybe pulled his scholly), but had offers from Virginia, wake Forest, Memphis, and Purdue.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Again, because it doesn’t happen. He already has good options, so it’s not “if he doesn’t”, so your only take at this point would be that he wants to spurn scholarships elsewhere to walk on and play with his brother, and that’s what I’m referring to when I say that doesn’t really happen.
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We’re at the cutting edge of this NIL thing. I’m sure in 10 years there will be several examples of this, although I’m also sure it will still be rare.

We did have guys in football that had D1 offers (not fantastic ones, but FBS offers) that chose to come here regardless. It was huge topic of discussion in the recruiting thread for several weeks. I don’t think that was smart of them to do, but they apparently did it becuase they have a connection here.

The Zieglers have a connection here. I don’t think it would be some outlandish thing if that’s what he decided he wanted to do, even if I personally think it would be unwise, and even if I think it’s unlikely.
 
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rdk4121 said:
Camran Douglas chose to walk on for football despite having offers from Memphis, Vanderbilt, and Illinois (plus a couple others). So there's an answer to that question.

Edit: and Shannon Blair who played for West, was committed to Michigan state (who maybe pulled his scholly), but had offers from Virginia, wake Forest, Memphis, and Purdue.
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And as I mentioned local/in state kids are typically the only examples, which both are.
 
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Jimmy Football said:
We’re at the cutting edge of this NIL thing. I’m sure in 10 years there will be several examples of this, although I’m also sure it will still be rare.

We did have guys in football that had D1 offers (not fantastic ones, but FBS offers) that chose to come here regardless. It was huge topic of discussion in the recruiting thread for several weeks. I don’t think that was smart of them to do, but they apparently did it becuase they have a connection here.

The Zieglers have a connection here. I don’t think it would be some outlandish thing if that’s what he decided he wanted to do, even if I personally think it would be unwise, and even if I think it’s unlikely.
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Maybe Bronny James will come here too, who knows 🤷🏻‍♂️

Like I said before, there are some kids who have done it and typically they are local/in-state kids, and even then it’s few and far between and they likely aren’t getting NIL deals of 6 figures to cover tuition.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Maybe Bronny James will come here too, who knows 🤷🏻‍♂️

Like I said before, there are some kids who have done it and typically they are local/in-state kids, and even then it’s few and far between and they likely aren’t getting NIL deals of 6 figures to cover tuition.
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Kids with a connection here. Like a family connection, perhaps.
 
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Jimmy Football said:
Kids with a connection here. Like a family connection, perhaps.
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Example of out of state kids who fit this? I’m sure there’s some, but not many, again like already mentioned folks thought the Berry’s would do this…nope. Siblings go elsewhere all the time, actually almost all the time.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Example of out of state kids who fit this? I’m sure there’s some, but not many, again like already mentioned folks thought the Berry’s would do this…nope. Siblings go elsewhere all the time, actually almost all the time.
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Someone has to be the first, I guess.

Btw, I think the third Herring brother walked on here (or is going to, I can’t recall) despite having low D1 offers.
 
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