4 day work week?

[lawgator1]

As an employer you do what fits your business needs. Hard for a service company to work 4 day weeks without increasing staff to cover those 5th and 6th days because those 4 day workers aren't going to understand that the plumber isn't working on Fridays.

That's true, can't argue with that.

 

[865er]

I really like my in office 3 days and work from home 2 days a week schedule.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Who said anything about the government being involved in this?

I can tell you as an employer that I am routinely asked by younger applicants now about working from home. They got used to it the last few years, it reduces the time and expense of commuting, etc. Seems to me we should not be afraid of such a transition.

That's fine. You do you. The government is involved though, anything over 40 hrs/week is considered overtime. With this new 4 day work week be 32hrs? If so is anything over 32 considered overtime?

I don't care what other businesses do, with the exception of vendors I do businesses with. I have one vendor that works 4 10s and is closed on Fridays. It has been a problem for me on occasion. While I still do business with them, I've found other vendors that help me on Fridays.

 

[McDad]

Well, is that so bad? If you work 5 days a week now, 8 hours a day, that's 40 hours. So 4 less is the end of the world?

Seems to me that's sort of the definition of a full work week, anyway, when you take out breaks and lunch times. Basically its closer to 32 hours or so each week of actual work.

Now, I do not disagree that it will go lower over time, but it has been that way for awhile really. With technology and now AI, is that to be resisted or welcomed?

I would really like to see the tax code change to reflect this potential evolution. I think an hourly worker should (if the employer allows it) be able to work 11 hours a day for 3 days without any breaks (if they wish) and continue to get paid for breaks...work 33 hours, get paid 36-40 hours. The worker should also be able to work another job for the next 3 days with the same criteria. But should not have to pay any income tax on the job with the lesser of gross wages. Additionally, the worker should be able to bank overtime at either job without any taxes on the overtime wages.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Well, is that so bad? If you work 5 days a week now, 8 hours a day, that's 40 hours. So 4 less is the end of the world?

Seems to me that's sort of the definition of a full work week, anyway, when you take out breaks and lunch times. Basically its closer to 32 hours or so each week of actual work.

Now, I do not disagree that it will go lower over time, but it has been that way for awhile really. With technology and now AI, is that to be resisted or welcomed?

So hourly workers are by law accounted for by hours paid. This is the exempt / non- exempt laws model. If they work 8 hours less they are going to get 8 hours less pay. That’s the current laws.

Exempt workers AKA salaried are already free to work this out with their employer.

And those businesses dealing with the government will largely be tied to hours billed also via the direct/indirect billing model. This is the model I worked under for 35+ years. The company billed the government for my hours logged against charge accounts. That is the industry labor model. And those contractors won’t agree to billing less hours to ease their employee’s happiness that simply will not happen.

The fact is there is a huge amount of inertia across many business sectors that is simply going to make this proposal DOA I’d guess

 

[Grand Vol]

One of the State agencies out here does a 5 and 4 schedule. 40 hour workweek on both. 5 days of 8s, 4 days of 10s.

The employees seem to like it. I made the suggestion myself at my current job since I deal with people across nearly every time zone we have (including Alaska and Hawaii) but was told "that would be too confusing to the employees since they wouldn't know when they worked."

As if someone would forget they have a three day weekend coming up.

Anyhow, I'm not opposed to a 4 day workweek. But not at the expense of dropping hours which a company like mine would do in a heartbeat. All while continuing to ask you to do things off the clock.

 

[Orangeburst]

I liked sales..work from home, work overtime when something is time sensitive, slack when you need the break, set your schedule. Meet your numbers and they pretty much leave you alone. Got to the point I didnt even log my sales calls.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

If a job is complete and metrics are met then what is the BFD?

 

[LouderVol]

5 becomes 4, 4 becomes 3, and so on and so forth. Pretty sure most of the Euro leftists are already down to 36 hours.

you angry at Henry Ford for introducing the 5 day/40hr work week? It was 6 or 7 day and 60+hrs weeks before. Did losing that business day ruin production?

 

[Orangeburst]

arent most of you guys working right now and posting on a board? lol

 

[LouderVol]

arent most of you guys working right now and posting on a board? lol

meetings, most of my days are wasted with needless meetings. I could go to 32 hours of work and get far, far more done.

 

[InVOLuntary]

As an employer you do what fits your business needs. Hard for a service company to work 4 day weeks without increasing staff to cover those 5th and 6th days because those 4 day workers aren't going to understand that the plumber isn't working on Fridays.

Hard for my guys to take their work home with them.

 

[creekdipper]

Hearing more about this idea lately, from left and right. Recently premised on notion that technology makes most folks more efficient and humanity should benefit.

Where do you stand ?

Asking that question is ableist. Do better.

 

[creekdipper]

Is the issue actually doing work four days a week, or not having to show up at the business place the traditional five days a week? Because a lot of people of people already do the latter while also doing the former.

 

[lawgator1]

Is the issue actually doing work four days a week, or not having to show up at the business place the traditional five days a week? Because a lot of people of people already do the latter while also doing the former.

That is the theory behind a few of my comments here. It is a natural transition, especially post-Covid and especially in the busiest urban centers.

Had a girlfriend for awhile who's employer went to a shared schedule for her and a fellow employee. One week she would be in the office, the other employee worked from home. Then the following week they switched.

Gave the employer the sense of being able to ensure that the employees were being productive whilst also cutting their office space considerably. On the flip side, it gave the employees the benefit of cutting their commute time and expenses in half.

Everyone wins, except for the commercial space landlord

 

[DinkinFlicka]

I wonder how much of a wad VOLNAVY's racist yoga pants get into when he thinks about the typical Japanese work week.

Makes even the greatest generation of Americans look like couch taters.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

I wonder how much of a wad VOLNAVY's racist yoga pants get into when he thinks about the typical Japanese work week.

Makes even the greatest generation of Americans look like couch taters.

The most efficient 40 hr work week yen can buy.

 

[865er]

I liked sales..work from home, work overtime when something is time sensitive, slack when you need the break, set your schedule. Meet your numbers and they pretty much leave you alone. Got to the point I didnt even log my sales calls.

This is my life as a software developer. Minus all the horrors of sales.

 

[Orangeburst]

..

 

[DC_Vol]

I liked sales..work from home, work overtime when something is time sensitive, slack when you need the break, set your schedule. Meet your numbers and they pretty much leave you alone. Got to the point I didnt even log my sales calls.

A reliable sales guy that you can count on regularly and sometimes lean on to call in favors to get you out of a P&L pinch is invaluable. You let one of those do whatever they want to do.

 

[FortSanders]

Hearing more about this idea lately, from left and right. Recently premised on notion that technology makes most folks more efficient and humanity should benefit.

Where do you stand ?

This should be voluntary. Feel free to work 4 days, or even 3 days, per week, while those of us who work our asses off pass you by. This country was not founded on a 4 day work week. There is no substitute for a strong work ethic.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

This should be voluntary. Feel free to work 4 days, or even 3 days, per week, while those of us who work our asses off pass you by. This country was not founded on a 4 day work week. There is no substitute for a strong work ethic.

Plenty of people work 4 day work weeks and work their asses off. Probably work at least as hard as you and you're not passing any of them

 

[LouderVol]

This should be voluntary. Feel free to work 4 days, or even 3 days, per week, while those of us who work our asses off pass you by. This country was not founded on a 4 day work week. There is no substitute for a strong work ethic.

lol. it wasn't founded on a 5 day work week either.

something none of yall seem willing to address.

 

[theFallGuy]

Hearing more about this idea lately, from left and right. Recently premised on notion that technology makes most folks more efficient and humanity should benefit.

Where do you stand ?

I just assumed everyone mentally checkout out on Fridays like me already. I've been living a 4 day work week for 15 years now suckers!

 

[Jxn Vol]

I liked sales..work from home, work overtime when something is time sensitive, slack when you need the break, set your schedule. Meet your numbers and they pretty much leave you alone. Got to the point I didnt even log my sales calls.

That is me. I have things rolling now that I work 2 days a week and put out fires when I need to. If they want some growth I bolt on a few things here or there. But I have learned not to grow too much too fast because they will expect that every year. I am a master at playing the long game.