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JH had the best vertical (39.5) and broad jump (11ft 4in) of all WR's today. His broad jump also tied for the combine record.
 
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m1al said:
Patterson is a freak, no doubt and has huge upside but he has much to learn about being a wide receiver, especially in the NFL...

Edit: Woods is the best receiver in his (CP's) group..
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I reckon this would apply most all rookies, some more than others, but it helps a ton when you have speed, and size/strength, and hands, and moves ...
 
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Bo jackson.period. faster than lightning in the 40...I've got the SI when we completely shut him down and beat Auburn. Cover story. Priceless. He's still the best athlete I've ever seen...coulda coulda been amazing if not for that freak injury.
 
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fade route said:
Everybody doing well that has worn the orange in their college careers. Bray definitely has the best arm, maybe the best in the last 30 years of UT football. Nobody ever questioned that. It's just whats between the ears that is so unpredictable.
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Agreed. Best arm since Tony Robinson IMHO, but the head? Eh.:loco:
 
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orangebloodgmc said:
I reckon this would apply most all rookies, some more than others, but it helps a ton when you have speed, and size/strength, and hands, and moves ...
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I agree with what you say but compare CP to Robert Woods.. At this point there is not much of a comparison. Will CP be a better receiver down the road, who knows. All the talk about him being the number one receiver taken in the draft is wishful thinking IMO.. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see it but I don't think it will happen..
 
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Don't get too caught up in hand timed 40's. If they aren't electronically timed, then they can't be trusted. Even the two guys who supposedly ran the same time showed one faster than the other. Granted, it wasn't by much, but when you are talking about hundredths of a second...and even tenths it is hard to rely on it. The exception is Bray, he is so slow it is easy to time his start and finish!
 
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m1al said:
I agree with what you say but compare CP to Robert Woods.. At this point there is not much of a comparison. Will CP be a better receiver down the road, who knows. All the talk about him being the number one receiver taken in the draft is wishful thinking IMO.. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see it but I don't think it will happen..
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You have to realize that CP has played one year of big conference football, and he excelled playing on talent alone. When CP gets a WR coach who gets paid great money to show him how to run great routes then watch out because he's heads over hills better then his competition. CP has the ability to make plays on his feet. It's not about 40 times. He's a football player. He has intangibiles that most WR don't posses. His ability to make plays after the catch is the best Ive seen in Knoxville in a very long time.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Bo jackson.period. faster than lightning in the 40...I've got the SI when we completely shut him down and beat Auburn. Cover story. Priceless. He's still the best athlete I've ever seen...coulda coulda been amazing if not for that freak injury.
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:thumbsup: Bo was bad!
 
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KBVol said:
Agreed. Best arm since Tony Robinson IMHO, but the head? Eh.:loco:
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I think there was a thread on here last offseason where one of the "analysts" said Bray was injury prone and weak armed. Just goes to show that some of these guys have NO clue what they are talking about. Dude has a GREAT arm and he had ONE injury, which a broken thumb from banging it on a helmet doesn't suggest injury prone.
 
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Using a 40 time to determine draft status is just plain dumb, but NFL teams do it year after year.

What were the 40 times Ray Lewis, Petting Manning, Tom Brady, Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Reggie Wayne, or Ed Reed?

The 40 has as much to do with technique on the start as speed for these types of athletes. Plus it has nothing to do with actual football.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Using a 40 time to determine draft status is just plain dumb, but NFL teams do it year after year.

What were the 40 times Ray Lewis, Petting Manning, Tom Brady, Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Reggie Wayne, or Ed Reed?

The 40 has as much to do with technique on the start as speed for these types of athletes. Plus it has nothing to do with actual football.
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I'm having trouble making sense of this post. Of course the 40 tests speed and it does not have "as much" to do with technique. The best technique in the world isn't going to turn a plodder into a burner.

Your 2nd observation, though hyperbolic, does have some merit. Merely observing a guy has great wheels isn't a particularly successful predictor of football prowess. (Kenny O'Neal anyone?) However, it's silly to think that, all else being roughly equal, having the speed can't be seen as anything but a positive asset. With their skills Randy Moss and Deion Sanders would likely still have succeeded had they been a couple ticks slower. They weren't though, and they were the better for it. How could you not agree with that?
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Bo jackson.period. faster than lightning in the 40...I've got the SI when we completely shut him down and beat Auburn. Cover story. Priceless. He's still the best athlete I've ever seen...coulda coulda been amazing if not for that freak injury.
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Bo could have been the best ever.... I believe he was.....TIFWIW
 
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Boca Vol said:
Using a 40 time to determine draft status is just plain dumb, but NFL teams do it year after year.

What were the 40 times Ray Lewis, Petting Manning, Tom Brady, Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Reggie Wayne, or Ed Reed?

The 40 has as much to do with technique on the start as speed for these types of athletes. Plus it has nothing to do with actual football.
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40 doesn't mean squat without backing it up in the 3 cone drill... All the experts will tell you that... A straight runner will not do well in football; football is played with the hips.... A fast 40 and a fast 3 cone gets you a 1st round slot; it happens more than not, when you run a fast 40 you have good hips..... an athlete...... One name Ben Johnson
 
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hndog609 said:
I'm having trouble making sense of this post. Of course the 40 tests speed and it does not have "as much" to do with technique. The best technique in the world isn't going to turn a plodder into a burner.

Your 2nd observation, though hyperbolic, does have some merit. Merely observing a guy has great wheels isn't a particularly successful predictor of football prowess. (Kenny O'Neal anyone?) However, it's silly to think that, all else being roughly equal, having the speed can't be seen as anything but a positive asset. With their skills Randy Moss and Deion Sanders would likely still have succeeded had they been a couple ticks slower. They weren't though, and they were the better for it. How could you not agree with that?
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A 40 yard dash timed in shorts and a tee shirt has nothing to do with the game of football. And yes, when you're measuring in fractions of a second then technique plays a roll. No one is comparing plodders to burners but to say one player is better than another based on 0.01 seconds is crazy.

I would rather see "real life " speed in pads.
 
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