43 points is new UT team record

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for the fewest points scored in a game. Previous record was 44 points against Notre Dame in January 2012. Before that, 45 vs Belmont in 1976.

How bad is this offense? Historically bad. We're averaging 67 points per game but just 62 in the last 7 games. The lowest-scoring team in our history averaged 69.3 ppg (1983-84).

The worst-shooting team in program history (2008-09) hit .412 from the field; this team is shooting .414. The 3rd-worst bunch of shooters was last year's team at .425.
 
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kamoshika said:
for the fewest points scored in a game. Previous record was 44 points against Notre Dame in January 2012. Before that, 45 vs Belmont in 1976.

How bad is this offense? Historically bad. We're averaging 67 points per game but just 62 in the last 7 games. The lowest-scoring team in our history averaged 69.3 ppg (1983-84).

The worst-shooting team in program history (2008-09) hit .412 from the field; this team is shooting .414. The 3rd-worst bunch of shooters was last year's team at .425.
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Say what you want, statistics don't lie
 
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kamoshika said:
for the fewest points scored in a game. Previous record was 44 points against Notre Dame in January 2012. Before that, 45 vs Belmont in 1976.

How bad is this offense? Historically bad. We're averaging 67 points per game but just 62 in the last 7 games. The lowest-scoring team in our history averaged 69.3 ppg (1983-84).

The worst-shooting team in program history (2008-09) hit .412 from the field; this team is shooting .414. The 3rd-worst bunch of shooters was last year's team at .425.
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WOW! Just WOW! This says it all. :no:
 
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Since Holly has taken over head coaching duties, there have been a lot of firsts for this program and they aren't good ones. It's going to get worse before it gets better I'm afraid
 
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To say we have bad shooters is too simplistic and just not true. Watch our games and look at every shot we take. Ask yourself: is it a good shot? A good shot has several qualities a bad shot doesn't.

A good shot is close to the basket or right behind the 3 point line. A good shot is open. A good shot is not rushed. A good shot plays to the shooter's strengths.

We don't get open shots as much as we should. We don't get shots where we aren't rushed as often either. Meme took two men's NBA range 3's. Jordan and Carter each took at least one shot just a step or two in front of the 3 point line - basically the longest 2 point shot you can take. Carter asked for, was given, and tried to post up like Mercedes is supposed to do and she was blocked by the backboard.

THAT is why our shooting % is so poor because we do not have, have not had, and until new leadership is in place likely will not have a good offense in place. It's the worst it's ever been because now we have a team full of players with little experience playing together to go with our nonexistent offense.

At least before we had 4 years of a healthy Simmons who thrived on a system that didn't require a good offense so when she wasn't too cold we overcame it. When she was cold, it was games similar to what we've seen this year.
 
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Embarrassing performance--on top of season of lousy performances, and ugly performances for the last few years. We must play uptempo, push the pace, run the floor, that's our only chance as we are terrible in half court, the players are pathetic shooters, and the coaches are clueless.
 
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clkou said:
At least before we had 4 years of a healthy Simmons who thrived on a system that didn't require a good offense so when she wasn't too cold we overcame it. When she was cold, it was games similar to what we've seen this year.
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They also had Glory or Izzy as a dominant inside presence. Inside out is great if you have the horses for it. Mercedes isn't at the same level as the top Tennessee posts of years past, at least yet. She's not a dominating presence that you can base your offense around, but Holly has yet to see that yet.

Their best bet is to build the offense around Diamond and let her create for herself and others. I swear if Holly screeches "INSIDE OUT!" or "NO QUICK SHOOTING!" one more time, I'm going to throw something at the tv. It's just not possible for her to be this oblivious.
 
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Six points - SIX! - in the fourth quarter! 18 points in the whole second half. I can't structure a sentence to describe how bad the play was.

The whole team, both players and coaches, own this mess. It's up to them to fix it.
 
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Six points - SIX! - in the fourth quarter! 18 points in the whole second half. I can't structure a sentence to describe how bad the play was.

The whole team, both players and coaches, own this mess. It's up to them to fix it.
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The only one who can fix this mess is Dave Hart. But, he only seems to care about football, men's BB and the athletic dept. turning a profit. Which is great!


But, man I miss Lady Vols basketball.
 
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LVJeff said:
Six points - SIX! - in the fourth quarter! 18 points in the whole second half. I can't structure a sentence to describe how bad the play was.

The whole team, both players and coaches, own this mess. It's up to them to fix it.
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Just like Carolyn Peck said, the player don't know when to shoot. If they take a shot and miss, they are afraid Holly will get mad. So app the girls have no clue about about this offense.
 
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This is the "first time" since 1996 the Lady Vols have had 2 home court loses before Christmas. SMH...Lady Vols BB is doomed with HW. She should resign tomorrow if not sooner.
 
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LVJeff said:
Six points - SIX! - in the fourth quarter! 18 points in the whole second half. I can't structure a sentence to describe how bad the play was.

The whole team, both players and coaches, own this mess. It's up to them to fix it.
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I'm glad you brought this up Jeff. I have never been a Holly fan. However, for the players to apparently quit in the last quarter yesterday is inexcusable. While our offense hasn't been good for yars, I never saw the lack of effort that occurred in yesterday's game. Last year's team went down with an all out effort against Maryland. Something else is wrong this year in addition to the coaching. I think it's generally agreed that this year's team is far more talented than last year's team (especially without Izzy) that made it to the elite 8.
Yet, who would wager their own money that this year's team gets that far ? Same coach, better players (maybe that's the mistake) equals a worse outcome. Something else smells, in addition to the coaching.
 
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volnationnj said:
I'm glad you brought this up Jeff. I have never been a Holly fan. However, for the players to apparently quit in the last quarter yesterday is inexcusable. While our offense hasn't been good for yars, I never saw the lack of effort that occurred in yesterday's game. Last year's team went down with an all out effort against Maryland. Something else is wrong this year in addition to the coaching. I think it's generally agreed that this year's team is far more talented than last year's team (especially without Izzy) that made it to the elite 8.
Yet, who would wager their own money that this year's team gets that far ? Same coach, better players (maybe that's the mistake) equals a worse outcome. Something else smells, in addition to the coaching.
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That's what I'm starting to think as well. Something else has to be going on and I'm hoping we find out soon.
 
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Amb3096 said:
They also had Glory or Izzy as a dominant inside presence. Inside out is great if you have the horses for it. Mercedes isn't at the same level as the top Tennessee posts of years past, at least yet. She's not a dominating presence that you can base your offense around, but Holly has yet to see that yet.
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Yet for Team USA this summer, Mercedes was very, very good. More than a solid contributor.

It just seems like this TEAM of ladies doesn't allow each individual to play to their top ability.

I am concerned that if the team tried to primarily rely on DD, they may be more competitive in the short term, but a no better TEAM moving forward.
 
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LadyVol1908 said:
That's what I'm starting to think as well. Something else has to be going on and I'm hoping we find out soon.
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Clearly, there is huge problem with coaching and leadership. Is there also a team chemistry issue at play here? Some of the players have been on this team for four years and have paid their dues. Are they being pushed aside because the coach has anointed one (or more) of the newbies as the program's savior? Is there resentment among the upperclassmen? Does everyone on the roster buy into the "team first" concept? Only the players know what is going on in the locker room, but could the current troubles be larger than just the coaching issues?
 
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There are probably many things at play here.

1) Warlick is not a good leader and not a good coach--and one wonders how much help, in terms of basketball and otherwise, she is getting from the other coaches. Are they a tight-knit group? Not so much?

2) Who among our veterans are on-court leaders? Graves, unfortunately, is always quiet--not good. And I don't see much from Carter or Reynolds. I think it has fallen to DeShields to be our on-court leaders, even though she is new and even though I've seen not very good body language from her at times this season. We have no veterans who are playing well, and no veteran leadership.

3) There talent issues: We haven't been a good half-court offense, by and large, for a long time. We've had shooting issues has a program for a long time. Carter has a beautiful jumper but seems to lack confidence; Reynolds and Cooper shoot old-school push style jumpers, which is not ideal technique. Graves has never been anything close to a real scorer, and Russell is not all that. Mix that talent issue with our offensive coaching problems and you get a crap offense. I also think it was a mistake to start Cooper from game 1--let a young player earn her time, even if talented. You immediately risk alienating your other guards. Our guard play this year has been embarrassingly bad, from everybody.
 
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armchair said:
There are probably many things at play here.

1) Warlick is not a good leader and not a good coach--and one wonders how much help, in terms of basketball and otherwise, she is getting from the other coaches. Are they a tight-knit group? Not so much?

2) Who among our veterans are on-court leaders? Graves, unfortunately, is always quiet--not good. And I don't see much from Carter or Reynolds. I think it has fallen to DeShields to be our on-court leaders, even though she is new and even though I've seen not very good body language from her at times this season. We have no veterans who are playing well, and no veteran leadership.

3) There talent issues: We haven't been a good half-court offense, by and large, for a long time. We've had shooting issues has a program for a long time. Carter has a beautiful jumper but seems to lack confidence; Reynolds and Cooper shoot old-school push style jumpers, which is not ideal technique. Graves has never been anything close to a real scorer, and Russell is not all that. Mix that talent issue with our offensive coaching problems and you get a crap offense. I also think it was a mistake to start Cooper from game 1--let a young player earn her time, even if talented. You immediately risk alienating your other guards. Our guard play this year has been embarrassingly bad, from everybody.
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With the right coaching and some good old kicking in the butt, I believe that Russell could be a game changer. Right now she stands around too much watching the action instead of getting involved. She misses easy lay ups and rarely rebounds her misses for put backs. She allows much smaller players to push her around in the paint as well as out rebound her. She rarely blocks out for a rebound, instead she heads down to the other end of the court. She has bad foot work in the paint. What is this thing of holding both her hands back as if saying, "I didn't do nothing"? With good coaching I believe she could be one of the best post in women's college basketball.

Russell is far from being the only player whose talents are being misused. There is so much wasted talent on this team. As a side note, we were out rebounded by Va. Tech? That is just plain aweful.
 
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I don't generally subscribe to conspiracy theories and I think simple answers are better than complicated ones. I don't know what goes on in the locker room either. If the team can begin to hit shots and control the turnovers then it will get a lot better. But right now that possibility seems remote.
 
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The offense the Lady Vols run is very easy to defend, especially when no one is shooting from the outside. There is a lot of STANDING around and they try to force the ball inside resulting in turn overs. They have the shooters but they seem to be hesitant to set screens for shooters. They miss a lot of lay ups an don't box out well on the offense's boards. On defense, they can not defend the pick and roll or the three from the corner. It seems like there is a lot of talent which is not being used to its potential.
 
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armchair said:
There are probably many things at play here.

1) Warlick is not a good leader and not a good coach--and one wonders how much help, in terms of basketball and otherwise, she is getting from the other coaches. Are they a tight-knit group? Not so much?

2) Who among our veterans are on-court leaders? Graves, unfortunately, is always quiet--not good. And I don't see much from Carter or Reynolds. I think it has fallen to DeShields to be our on-court leaders, even though she is new and even though I've seen not very good body language from her at times this season. We have no veterans who are playing well, and no veteran leadership.

3) There talent issues: We haven't been a good half-court offense, by and large, for a long time. We've had shooting issues has a program for a long time. Carter has a beautiful jumper but seems to lack confidence; Reynolds and Cooper shoot old-school push style jumpers, which is not ideal technique. Graves has never been anything close to a real scorer, and Russell is not all that. Mix that talent issue with our offensive coaching problems and you get a crap offense. I also think it was a mistake to start Cooper from game 1--let a young player earn her time, even if talented. You immediately risk alienating your other guards. Our guard play this year has been embarrassingly bad, from everybody.
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armchair ! thank you Carter has no confidence right now thanks to Holly miss handling of her skills. And you are 100% correct about Graves and Cooper. As for Holly she is just to soft i watch the game SC and Duke and what i saw from the two coaches is something Holly lacks and that`s fire. Dawn Staley was in the face of a'ja wilson and Jatarie white after there poor play at one point. note Wilson responded in the 2nd half. McCallie ripped her freshmen point Lambert after she committed a bad foul with little time on the clock in the first half. By the way she played very well in that game. I would like to see Kyra Elzy coach this team for the next 10 games. I have seen her on the sideline and she ripped a few players face to face and that the coach this team right now. Holly is not that type of Coach. look at UConn Geno and Pat in your face type of coach.
 
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All the problems are definitely on offense and you wonder why Holly and Assistants can't fix this. If you have to go to a system where only three players take shots and the others are only there as screeners you must get more then 2 for 20 out of three players.
Have we ever set a screen for a player to get in the lane and kick to a perimeter player for an open three.
I saw Copper get inside four or five times and she either shoots throws a crazy pass or gets it stolen. I didn't see her kick one out to players on the perimeter for an open shot.
Anyway when she gets healthy Dunbar for Reynolds and Nared for Carter seems to be in order. We'll suffer a little defensively but maybe we can score enough points to make up the difference. When you allow 57 and get beat by 14 something is definitely wrong with the offense and you have to get the dead weight out of the lineup.
 
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