8 Really scary predictions about the economy

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At the finance company I am contracted through we have went up nearly quadruple in repos/foreclosures from last year. Also, and even more alarming, the # of loans made per day this time of year the past couple of years averaged 50+ per day. This year we are averaging 16 loans per day for all 8 branches combined. People can't even borrow money because they are tapped out.

At the bank I worked for I'm still very good friends with the Collections Manager. We kept our delinquency percentage to under 1% monthly from 2005-2007. That was a very good # anyway because the bank wanted us under 3.5%. Now his percentage is 4.2% of total loans bankwide which is not good from where we were just last year. The most repo cars we ever had at one time was 4 and the most home foreclosures we had at one time was 3. Right now he has 17 cars repo'd and also has 11 houses in foreclosure and said he's getting ready to drop the hammer on 5-6 more by the end of the month if things don't change.
 
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As someone who is about to buy his first house, I hope the prices continue to drop.

If you have some money to put down and can qualify for the insanely low fixed rates that are out there right now, this might just be the best time to be a first time home buyer in history.
 
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If you have some money to put down and can qualify for the insanely low fixed rates that are out there right now, this might just be the best time to be a first time home buyer in history.

I will have lots by April.

I'm excited.
 
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I will have lots by April.

I'm excited.
be real clear with everyone out there trying to sell you that "the way you approach a home is that there is a nearly infinite supply of them, so you're not enamored by any single one, unless the price is obscenely low."
 
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be real clear with everyone out there trying to sell you that "the way you approach a home is that there is a nearly infinite supply of them, so you're not enamored by any single one, unless the price is obscenely low."

I would add to that to find a ruthless realtor, an a-hole lawyer, and a meticulous inspector for your buying team. I have used the same team for several purchases and it has been invaluable.
 
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I would add to that to find a ruthless realtor, an a-hole lawyer, and a meticulous inspector for your buying team. I have used the same team for several purchases and it has been invaluable.

the problem with realtors is that their commision is based on the sale price meaning they have negative incentive to help you get a good price. real hard to find an honest realtor around here. it's amazing how many of them will tell you that the housing downturn hasn't hurt whatever area they are trying to get you to buy into.
 
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the problem with realtors is that their commision is based on the sale price meaning they have negative incentive to help you get a good price. real hard to find an honest realtor around here. it's amazing how many of them will tell you that the housing downturn hasn't hurt whatever area they are trying to get you to buy into.

We have one that is a real b*tch. Other realtors are afraid of her - and I like it.

Realtors are tied to commissions unless you negotiate a flat rate. They also live and die on reputation and repeat business. I'd only go with a realtor that was recommended - never just pick one out of the blue.

And of course, keeping the same agent for multiple transactions is beneficial for both parties in the long run. We get a good deal, and she makes a commission on the same house, twice. And because of that she has a vested interest in us buying low and selling high in the best areas.
 
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Whiskey & Gunpowder
December 9, 2008
By Dan Denning
Melbourne, Australia


The Fed’s War on Cash

Markets are dithering their way to the end of the year. It doesn’t look like much is happening. But some interesting things are going on. Pressure is building. For example, the dividend yield on the S&P 500 is 3.48%. The yield on a 30-year U.S. bond is 3.16%.

According to Mark Hulbert at CBS Marketwatch, 1958 was the last time the yield on the S&P 500 exceeded the yield on the 30-year bond. 1958? Are you kidding? Elvis joined the U.S. Army in 1958. Eisenhower was in the White House, Khrushchev in the Kremlin, and Menzies was elected for the fifth time in Australia.

The world may have lived on the edge of nuclear holocaust in 1958, but at least some things were more certain. You were better dead than Red. What was good for GM was good for America. And everyone liked Ike.

The world is much more confusing today. The yield on S&P stocks was 2% this time last year, a 74% increase in the last twelve months. We reckon stocks will start to look even more appealing when the yield reaches 5% or 6%, which would also mean lower stock prices first.

But there’s a bigger story going on, too. It’s what we call the Fed’s war on cash. You see, the Fed is driving down yields on government bonds and notes of all maturities quite deliberately. More on what it’s up to below. But it’s not just the Fed that’s pulling out all the monetary stops to float the world on a sea of credit.

It’s a now a race to the bottom for central bank interest rates. New Zealand’s central bank cut its main interest rates by a whopping 1.5% overnight. But the Kiwis have some work to do. Short-term rates across the Tasman are still at 5%, 450 basis points above Ben Bernanke’s Fed.

You don’t normally see such aggressive rate cutting in an economy until unemployment levels are much higher. It’s the classic Keynesian trade-off between inflation and unemployment. You can keep prices stable by keeping the rate growth low and savings high.

But slow, steady, prudent growth doesn’t create jobs fast enough for politicians. So rates are lowered! This leads to lower unemployment rates, but higher inflation. The big change in the last thirty years is that higher inflation was tolerable for most workers in the Western world because it seemed to come with some juicy benefits.

The first was asset price inflation. Houses and stocks went up too! Real wage growth was flat (or even fell). But the value of things you bought went up! On paper, everyone got wealthier.

Then, when China came along and started churning out geegaws and widgets faster than you could slap down a credit card, the apparent virtues of a little bit of inflation seemed limitless. Stocks and house prices went up, but consumer goods, durables, and electronics got cheaper.

This so-called “Great Moderation” suckered people into a dangerous financial strategy: asset-based saving and debt accumulation. And why not?

In a way, it’s perfectly rational. If credit is cheap and asset prices are rising, why not borrow to buy stocks and houses? The debt service is low, employment was pretty easy to find, and capital appreciation in your assets would smooth out any rough edges to the strategy.

Well, now that strategy is coming unhinged. In fact, the larger implication is so scary that only people like Robert Shiller dare to mention it: asset price appreciation is not a retirement strategy. It was a good run, from 1982 to 2000. But the idea that the stock market is society’s way of managing the risk of old age is now showing its own age. Investors are skittish.

The run on the hedge funds is only restrained by the lock-up periods most investors agree to when turning their money over to a fund manager. But time takes care of that. Investors will continue asking for their cash back if they believe the market is either too risky or too mediocre.

This move to cash must distress the Fed and other central banks. It wants banks to lend, businesses to spend, and consumers to borrow. But the exact opposite is happening. So now we see the Fed doing its best to punish those in cash and force them to spend, or at least get out of government bonds and buy stocks.

Currently banks are content for now to build up a war chest of excess reserves. In fact, there’s been a surge in excess reserves held at the Fed by banks, and not just since the crisis began last October (the same is true of cash held at the RBA by authorized deposit taking institutions.

In other words, banks are happy to borrow from the Fed, but sad to lend to anyone. So what do they do? They deposit their new borrowings right back with the Fed, where they earn 1.5% interest (in excess of the target Fed Funds rate).

According to Fed data, U.S. financial institutions had just $60 billion in excess reserves held at the Fed at the end of September. On October 5th, the TARPenstein was passed. By the end of October, excess reserves held at the Fed had grown to $267 billion. By the end of November, it was $610 billion. Don’t fight the Fed! Flee to it!

Even a Congressman should be able to figure out what’s going on here. Correlation is not causation. But it sure looks like a lot of TARP money has gone straight to banks and financials, who’ve then put the money hard at work...on the Fed balance sheet, where it’s safe, secure, and earning 1.5%.

Maybe that was the whole point of TARP anyway. To beef up bank capital positions and not increase lending and spending. But the Fed is busy elsewhere in the bond market trying to get investors out of cash into something (anything!) else.

In a march that would have made General Sherman glow with joy, the Fed is systematically decimating the yield on U.S. government bonds and notes. It is blitzkrieging its way through the U.S. yield curve, buying, or threatening to buy U.S. bonds and notes in order to lower rates.

Don’t believe it? Bloomberg reports that the yield on 90-day Treasuries is .01%, while Ten-year U.S. notes yield 2.66%. Both yields are down.

By buying up securities with different maturities the Fed lowers interest rates. Investors crowd in looking for safety and, of course, rising prices. But what is the Fed really up to? Is it really trying to reduce American savers and those on fixed incomes to a state of pauper hood, where a lifetime of savings is consumed in a firestorm of inflation?

That is no way to treat your grandparents. So let’s give the Fed the benefit of the doubt and say that the ultimate objective of the policy is to drive interest rates on government bonds so low that savers and more importantly, banks, begin to loan out some of their excess reserves, or better yet, use them to buy distressed assets from each other.

If you want to use a military metaphor, the Fed is dropping big rocks on safe houses from its EZ Money helicopter battleship. One basis point at a time, it is methodically destroying any rational reason for investment advisors to put their clients in Treasuries.

And so if you’re not going to be in ultra-safe Treasuries because they are really no better than cash, then what will you do with your money? You have to do something with it. You will spend it. Or invest it.

Either way, you will get rid of it. There is no value in holding it, at least rationally. Emotionally, it feels safe, which is why ten-year yields are back at Eisenhower levels.

So as everyone stampedes toward the perceived safety of the Treasury market, the risk of inflation is grows.

Swell.

Let us turn our attention to an email that had me clapping my hands in glee.

“First, it’s president elect Barack Obama not Mr. O. Show some respect. Second he has already superceded his predecessor simply by being interested and educating himself about the issues. He is at least has a whole brain and can speak intelligently.

“You ‘free market’ rocket scientists have allowed this country to circle the drain due to a lack of regulation and oversight. Obviously, you guys were wrong. This is what the Republicans stand for so it is clearly a flaw in conservative philosophy. There has to be some regulation or you have greed ruling the day. Ask the Romans, the Greeks, and the list goes on what happens when greed is the driving factor.

“I consider myself a capitalist and think that we are better off with a free market solution but there has to be some rules for liquidity. I also am a Democrat and I believe that there is a higher good other than my pocket book. You Republican types just don’t get it.

”I would appreciate less politics and more investment ideas and show some respect.”

First, we respect no politicians at the Whiskey Bar. It’s company policy…except for maybe Ron Paul…though Jim agrees with you about Mr. “O”; Lawdy, that guy can orate! Plus he’s smart and he’s not bad-looking (disclaimer: I’ve been told I look like him when I cut my hair).

I’m sure Barack is a nice enough guy…for a politician… but he’s supposed to be a public servant who works for me, not the other way around. And he’s probably going to continue the government tradition of picking my pocket and attempting to destroy any chance I have at happiness. So I’ll pass on the part where I feel obliged to pay obeisance to him.

I consider myself to be the sexiest man alive; doesn’t make it true. You may consider yourself to be a capitalist, but if you suggest statist solutions, then you’re not.

I’ll be sure to pass your message to the next Republican I meet. Last I checked, that party was just as interventionist as the admitted socialists they claim to oppose.

For less politics and more investment advice, you could always click here.

Thanks for the note.

Regards,
Gary Gibson
Managing Editor, Whiskey & Gunpowder
 
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the problem with realtors is that their commision is based on the sale price meaning they have negative incentive to help you get a good price. real hard to find an honest realtor around here. it's amazing how many of them will tell you that the housing downturn hasn't hurt whatever area they are trying to get you to buy into.


Ok so let the bashing begin, I am a realtor in middle TN, the average sales price in our area is around $130K-$150K. The average negot. are between $3000-$10000, my job is to get the best price possible for my buyers because lets face it the commission on $10,000 is only around $600 total which if there is another realtor involved that makes it around a $300 difference. I mean a sale is a sale and I live off repeat business and referrals and even if I negotiate $20,000 then after split with another agent and my broker it is not that big of a difference so my job is to serve my clients let some one else represent the seller if i am with the buyers. Not all realtors are shady, I bust my tail to build an honest and ethical reputation and the media and bad storys seems to all that ever gets out, not the ones were I let a client sleep in the spare BR because closing got put off 1 day and they had no where else to go, and no one ever did a story on the time I left my family at dinner to go and help a young couple get moved in before a big storm. All I am saying is don't stereotype us, there is more good than bad, by law Realtors must abide by "The Code of Ethics" we are the only industry that is supposed to police itself so do your little google search for the Realtor CoE and understand this is the promise I swear by and live by in business. I will always support my industry and always try to make it better.


(sorry about the rant)
 
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I'm not saying all realtors are crooks and I'm sure you are probably honest, but . . .

1) its one of the few industries with fixed commisions. many brokers wont show a house unless the seller has agreed to give the full commision. many companies will refuse to deal with you if you want the commision negotiated. and since the MLS is a monopoly and that is the only realistic way to get your house sold and they essentially refuse to deal with discount real estate agents, i have to eat the full commision.

2) why should you have the only industry that gets to police itself?

3) if i buy a $1 mil home why should you get 10X the commision of somoene selling 100K homes? It doesn't take 10X the work.

yes i realize this is a big california problem, rather than a rural one, but it still pisses me off. my parents sold their home and the realtor made more money just on that sale than i made this entire year. the house was on the market for like 3 days. ridiculous. When i was a stock broker i HAD to discount commisions to be competitive. They stopped fixed commisions in the brokerage industry in the 60s for christ sake. why is the real estate industry given a free pass for the last 40 years?
 
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What do you mean "fixed" commission? I've never paid a fixed commission. It's a negotiated percentage typically paid by the seller. If it's a house under 200K it'll be 6%, up to 500K it'll be 4-5%, and anything over 500K would be a flat negotiated fee.

That's just my experience in TN real estate transactions.

I view the realtor, lawyer, and inspector as my employees. It's my job to find good ones and set their pay, and it's also my job to put them to work for me. If their not doing their job, I can fire them.
 
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I'm not saying all realtors are crooks and I'm sure you are probably honest, but . . .

1) its one of the few industries with fixed commisions. many brokers wont show a house unless the seller has agreed to give the full commision. many companies will refuse to deal with you if you want the commision negotiated. and since the MLS is a monopoly and that is the only realistic way to get your house sold and they essentially refuse to deal with discount real estate agents, i have to eat the full commision.

2) why should you have the only industry that gets to police itself?

3) if i buy a $1 mil home why should you get 10X the commision of somoene selling 100K homes? It doesn't take 10X the work.

yes i realize this is a big california problem, rather than a rural one, but it still pisses me off. my parents sold their home and the realtor made more money just on that sale than i made this entire year. the house was on the market for like 3 days. ridiculous. When i was a stock broker i HAD to discount commisions to be competitive. They stopped fixed commisions in the brokerage industry in the 60s for christ sake. why is the real estate industry given a free pass for the last 40 years?


#1) all commissions are negotiable, as a matter of fact it is against anti-trust laws for a group of Brokers to get together to set a standard commission.I agree the MLS is a monopoly, but discount firms are in their early stages of developement here and the ones that do business right and offer a fee per service agreement are doing fine. But we have jobs to do. I will negotiate price on items but as with most service industries you get what you pay for. I know it frustrating when you list a house and it sales quickly, you feel as though your agent did not do anything. But the other side of that is: If it sells to quick you didn't do anything but if it takes to long your not doing anything, so all in all it is case specific.

#2) I think you misunderstood, what our policy is, is if a member of the public or even a another realtor has a problem or complaint, they can go to the local board of realtors and have a hearing if the CoE was violated and that way there are far less legal fee's and that realtor can be disiplined, after this if you still feel justice has not been done you may still take them to court.

#3) ALL COMMISSION IS UP FOR NEGOTIATIONS!!, And to be honest alot of the reasons I can justify 10X the comm. is because we take 10x the risk, is sued we take on alot of liability.

DrOski, I always enjoy the conersation with you, please don't think that I am being disrespectful to you, you make lots of valid points, but all in all real estate is still a business of ethics and integrity where I am blessed enough to help get deserving folks in a home they have worked hard to get into. (some didn't work that hard and got in them a few years ago, thus the problem we are in now, whole other issue though). Thanks for the good convo.
 
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No worries sjernigan. thanks for the info. glad to hear that other parts of the country aren't as screwed up as california. also glad to hear you aren't all crooks. :)
 
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My realtor just dropped his fee down to get the sellers to accept my cellar dwelling offer.

Then again, he was the only realtor out of about 6 I met with that A) didn't try to get me to sign an Exclusivity Contract right off the bat B) didn't try to push my wife and I to ride with him and C) didn't come across like a total skeeze.
 
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My realtor just dropped his fee down to get the sellers to accept my cellar dwelling offer.

Then again, he was the only realtor out of about 6 I met with that A) didn't try to get me to sign an Exclusivity Contract right off the bat B) didn't try to push my wife and I to ride with him and C) didn't come across like a total skeeze.

I am glad I stumbled across this topic, but yeah in my area if you try to force an exclusive agency agreement you'll scare people to death, just do them right and they will stick with you. Ride with me or not who cares, my car is always a mess and Hopefully I don't come off as a total Skeeze. This period from thanksgiving to Christmas is always dead so I am bored, so now I will be taking questions.....lol
 
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I am glad I stumbled across this topic, but yeah in my area if you try to force an exclusive agency agreement you'll scare people to death, just do them right and they will stick with you. Ride with me or not who cares, my car is always a mess and Hopefully I don't come off as a total Skeeze. This period from thanksgiving to Christmas is always dead so I am bored, so now I will be taking questions.....lol

I just get the general feeling with Agents that 90% of them are looking out for their best interest, not their clients.

That's true across most industries though, but it's much more severe in a house than a car or a computer, for instance.

BTW, if anyone is looking for a house in the Huntsville area, PM me and I'll give you my guy's name.
 
#45
#45
DC, that says alot for your realtor if you would step up for him like that. That is how good business is built
 
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No worries sjernigan. thanks for the info. glad to hear that other parts of the country aren't as screwed up as california. also glad to hear you aren't all crooks. :)
I can verify through my neice and her husband what you are saying, the California market is messed up. They live in Bakersfield and may lose a house due to some shady deals going on.
 

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