'89-'06 Similarities

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hatvol96 said:
1. We didn't make the championship game in '03 because Georgia beat us senseless in Knoxville.
2. I don't think I've ever said '01 wasn't a good season.
3. We weren't good enough to think about winning an SEC Championship in '02.
4. We didn't almost beat Auburn in '04. When it came down to winning time, they dominated the fourth quarter.
It frustrates me to have to make this point over and over, but I will make it one more time: My problem with TCHFCATUTK's performance is almost strictly post-2002. In the years leading up to '02, it would be difficult to find fault with much. The '93 and '97 losses to Florida were bad, because UT was better than the Gators in both those season. The '96 loss to Memphis was embarassing, but not ultimately damaging to the program. As I pointed out in a post a couple of months ago, my definition of being competitive in the SEC is greatly dependent on the idea that you can reasonably expect to play the rest of the conference heads up on a neutral field. There's no way we would have beaten UGA on a neutral field in '03. We could have played Auburn 100 times in '04 and we would never have beaten them. The '04 Auburn team was exceptional, so that's not that bad. However, the '03 season was decided by UGA coming into Knoxville and hammering the Vols. I don't consider a team totally unable to compete on its home field to be a championship contender.
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Your fault with Fulmer is the years post-2002? If I am reading that correctly, your only problem with his 13 years (?) are years 2003 (10-3, with a horrendous Peach Bowl performance,) 2004 (10-3, only lost to 2 teams the whole year, one of which went undefeated,) and 2005 (5-6, I think everyone has a problem with 2005.)

Also, UGA was pretty good in 2003, and they only lost to 2 teams that year, one of which won the National Championship.

I do not believe that those three seasons are reason for any fan to call for Fulmer's job.
 
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How in the blue hell did this thread get from the first point to the current argument.

If hatvol posted his thoughts under a new name, some of you wouldn't argue very much at all.
 
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therealUT said:
Your fault with Fulmer is the years post-2002? If I am reading that correctly, your only problem with his 13 years (?) are years 2003 (10-3, with a horrendous Peach Bowl performance,) 2004 (10-3, only lost to 2 teams the whole year, one of which went undefeated,) and 2005 (5-6, I think everyone has a problem with 2005.)

I do not believe that those three seasons are reason for any fan to call for Fulmer's job.
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I should have stated 2002-2005. '02 was a pathetic all around performance. '99, in a vacuum, wasn't bad. However, that was the most talented post-'98 team. Failing to cash in that talent adds another year to the SEC title drought. In '04, they did only lost to two teams. However, the only victory of any note was over a UGA team that was wildly overhyped. I thought '04 was OK, but it wasn't anything to write home about. The struggles with Vandy and UK were a harbinger of the mess that was the '05 season.Like I've said here before, call me when Richt goes seven years without winning a conference title.
 
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VolinArizona said:
How in the blue hell did this thread get from the first point to the current argument.

If hatvol posted his thoughts under a new name, some of you wouldn't argue very much at all.
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They can't attack the message, seven years without an SEC title. Therefore, they are left with quibbling at the messenger.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I should have stated 2002-2005. '02 was a pathetic all around performance. '99, in a vacuum, wasn't bad. However, that was the most talented post-'98 team. Failing to cash in that talent adds another year to the SEC title drought. In '04, they did only lost to two teams. However, the only victory of any note was over a UGA team that was wildly overhyped. I thought '04 was OK, but it wasn't anything to write home about. The struggles with Vandy and UK were a harbinger of the mess that was the '05 season.Like I've said here before, call me when Richt goes seven years without winning a conference title.
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I can agree more with adding 2002 to the mix than I can to just the previous 3 seasons. It was flat out embarrassing to lose the Peach Bowls in the fashion that those teams lost.

Also, Richt has only won 2 SEC Titles, and both were done with extremely talented teams while Florida was still hungover the loss of Spurrier (which still continues) and during UTs biggest down years in almost 20. With Spurrier back in the SEC and Fulmer realizing that losing seasons can happen (the opposite mindset I believe led to less than championship caliber results), I can easily see UGA not winning another SEC Championship for seven years.
 
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From 1995 through 2001 from being the SEC's best team, we have gone to being the 3rd best in our own half of the conference. (by record)

Not saying fire Fulmer right now, but I don't like regression.
 
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therealUT said:
I can agree more with adding 2002 to the mix than I can to just the previous 3 seasons. It was flat out embarrassing to lose the Peach Bowls in the fashion that those teams lost.

Also, Richt has only won 2 SEC Titles, and both were done with extremely talented teams while Florida was still hungover the loss of Spurrier (which still continues) and during UTs biggest down years in almost 20. With Spurrier back in the SEC and Fulmer realizing that losing seasons can happen (the opposite mindset I believe led to less than championship caliber results), I can easily see UGA not winning another SEC Championship for seven years.
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You make my point about TCHFCATUTK for me. He took Spurrier's departure and UGA's coaching change and managed to fall behind the Dawgs and fail to put the Gators in the rear view mirror.
 
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hatvol96 said:
They can't attack the message, seven years without an SEC title. Therefore, they are left with quibbling at the messenger.
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the only thing i'll add to this little debate is this....while i know we haven't won an SEC title since 98, we have played for two since then, which doesn't exactly constituted being non competitive in the conference...had we won (and i know if's and but's) one of those, especially the 01 game, his reputation wouldn't be nearly as bad....that would be 3 sec titles in 10 years, pretty good...but that's not what happened, i know, i was there.

but it's not like we haven't been in 8 years....it's been 6 for Florida since they've even been to the game. the ony two teams to represent the East since 01 are TN and UGA.
 
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hatvol96 said:
You make my point about TCHFCATUTK for me. He took Spurrier's departure and UGA's coaching change and managed to fall behind the Dawgs and fail to put the Gators in the rear view mirror.
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I think that's a valid point, and a point of frustration with a lot of TN fans.
 
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jakez4ut said:
the only thing i'll add to this little debate is this....while i know we haven't won an SEC title since 98, we have played for two since then, which doesn't exactly constituted being non competitive in the conference...had we won (and i know if's and but's) one of those, especially the 01 game, his reputation wouldn't be nearly as bad....that would be 3 sec titles in 10 years, pretty good...but that's not what happened, i know, i was there.

but it's not like we haven't been in 8 years....it's been 6 for Florida since they've even been to the game. the ony two teams to represent the East since 01 are TN and UGA.
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I believe Florida has a couple of coaching changes in there. They haven't let the same guy fail 6 straight years.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I believe Florida has a couple of coaching changes in there. They haven't let the same guy fail 6 straight years.
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no, they've let two guys fail in 6 straight years...either way, a failure is a failure.

and your point about coaching changes is valid. if you are going to make a change at a school with that caliber of football program, you need to hit a homerun. that goes for UT too. Now if a change is warranted, and this season falls flat on it's face or it happens next year, i'm fine with that....but just don't bring in some johnny come lately. hopefully MH has a list of folks already that he would consider and has a plan b if CPF goes south.

cause, i don't want a ron zook i don't a want mike archer i don't want a jim donnan or a ray goof, uh, goff. I don't want a Mike Dubose or a Dennis Franchione. get me a nick saban, a bobby petrino, a pete carroll etc...and i'm good with that (and i don't mean literally those exact coaches....i want results like those coaches produced).
 
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hatvol96 said:
How many games does Foster have to miss or be limited in before our genius fans begin to call him a malingerer? If it's good enough for Jamal Lewis and Kelly Washington, this youngster certainly shouldn't be immune to it.
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If he sandbags repeatedly this season and into next, you will see opinions change quickly.

I'm not ready to write him off now.
 
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