9/11/01..........Beyond the 9/11 Commission Report

[IPorange]

Obviously the blame should fall on Barak Obama.

I believe the Iranians are going to supply Obama with fresh plutonium for the flux capacitor in his Dolorian, and Obama will go back in time to destroy the towers. It isn't that he blew up the towers... It's that he WILL blow them up.

 

[rjd970]

I believe the Iranians are going to supply Obama with fresh plutonium for the flux capacitor in his Dolorian, and Obama will go back in time to destroy the towers. It isn't that he blew up the towers... It's that he WILL blow them up.

Funding for the new Dolorian is included in his stimulus package. It will create 4 jobs.

 

[gsvol]

Until I actually took the time to read the information I would have somewhat agreed with you.There are a lot of amazing little known facts that simply are not generally know,from credible sources that take one on a different road or journey than is definable by your assertions.

Here is a little known fact.

A woman in Memphis K. Smith, who had been charged with selling driver's licenses to five New Yorkers was found burned to death in her car the day before she was to appear in court.

The FBI said the fire was arson.

The men's names were; Mohammed Fares, Mostafa Said Abou-Shahin, Abdelmuhsen Mahmid Hammad, Sakhera Hammad and Khaled Odtllah.

One of the men, Sakher 'Rocky' Hammad, had a twin towers pass dated Sept 5th, he said he had been contracted to work on the sprinkler system but there is no proof of anyone who employed him.

The World Trade Center draft report by the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the American Society of Civil Engineers statement about the engineering failures that caused the towers to collapse:

Among the findings: 'Fireproofing, sprinkler systems and the water supply for hoses were all disabled.

If the sprinkler systems and fire hoses would have worked, most likely the buildings would not have collapsed.

Of those who point to Bush saying it was an inside job, those connected with the communist party have been the most vocal. Of course everything is always the fault of the United States with the communist party.

 

[TennTradition]

I must admit that I have found myself questioning the fate of United 93...it just always seemed convenient that it went down in unpopulated Pennsylvania and was the last plane. I know that the "attack" of the passengers on the terrorists is entirely plausible...but I also wondered if that was exaggerated so that the government didn't have to admit that it shot it down. I wouldn't be horribly offended either way....but the thought has crossed my mind more than once.

That is about as far as any "conspiracy" theories go in my book....

 

[vader]

I must admit that I have found myself questioning the fate of United 93...it just always seemed convenient that it went down in unpopulated Pennsylvania and was the last plane. I know that the "attack" of the passengers on the terrorists is entirely plausible...but I also wondered if that was exaggerated so that the government didn't have to admit that it shot it down. I wouldn't be horribly offended either way....but the thought has crossed my mind more than once.

That is about as far as any "conspiracy" theories go in my book....

I agree completely. If they did shoot it down, they made the right decision.

 

[BigPapaVol]

Obviously the blame should fall on Barak Obama.

don't be silly. Bush was in office.

 

[orangeblooded2]

Here is a little known fact.

A woman in Memphis K. Smith, who had been charged with selling driver's licenses to five New Yorkers was found burned to death in her car the day before she was to appear in court.

The FBI said the fire was arson.

The men's names were; Mohammed Fares, Mostafa Said Abou-Shahin, Abdelmuhsen Mahmid Hammad, Sakhera Hammad and Khaled Odtllah.

One of the men, Sakher 'Rocky' Hammad, had a twin towers pass dated Sept 5th, he said he had been contracted to work on the sprinkler system but there is no proof of anyone who employed him.

The World Trade Center draft report by the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the American Society of Civil Engineers statement about the engineering failures that caused the towers to collapse:

Among the findings: 'Fireproofing, sprinkler systems and the water supply for hoses were all disabled.

If the sprinkler systems and fire hoses would have worked, most likely the buildings would not have collapsed.

Of those who point to Bush saying it was an inside job, those connected with the communist party have been the most vocal. Of course everything is always the fault of the United States with the communist party.

Speaking of the former President.He was at the Carlyle Business Conference with the brother of Osama Bin laden.(the Washington Post)The conference was interrupted the next day by the attacks.

Not insinuating,just repeating circumstances.

 

[vols4sure]

If there was some kind of legitimate conspiracy, any at all, that looked bad for Bush, don't you think Obama and his administration would leak it?

 

[gsvol]

Occam's razor should be applied, at a certain point.

I thought they used Occam's razor to create
the mobius loop already???

Or is it a jigsaw puzzle with no picture on the box???

An aide to former Clinton Justice Department official
Jamie Gorelick blocked the 9/11 Commission from
hearing testimony about the findings of the elite
Able Danger military intelligence team who had
identified Atta and three more of the 9/11
highjackers over a year before 9-11-2001 but had
not been able pass the information to the FBI
because of Justice Department policy under Janet
Reno.

"It was Dieter Snell who did not brief the 9/11
Commission. The 9/11 Commissioners were never
briefed on Able Danger." Congressman Curt Weldon


The same team had warned of the attack on the
USS Cole and had recommended she not enter the
Yemeni port.

And unless Sandy Burglar makes a death bed
confession, we will never know what documents
he destroyed.

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On January 5, 1995, a decision was made by
Secretary of State Warren Christopher and
supported by Deputy A.G. Gorelick, that arguably
ranks as one of the most profound intelligence
errors committed by any U.S. official in the years
leading up to 9/11.

............Nonetheless, the very next day, Gorelick
—serving in Janet Reno’s absence as acting
attorney general—sent an “expedite” letter in
support of Christopher’s deportation request.

It’s difficult to fathom how it could have been in
the interests of the United States to allow the
deportation of Osama bin Laden’s brother-in-law;
a man the State Department had just named as
“a terrorist.”

Khalifa also filed a civil suit to get back the
contents of his luggage, which included the
coveted PDA and other computer files.

Astonishingly, the Feds complied. On March 23rd,
1995, in a response to Khalifa’s motion for return of
property and an order unsealing his search warrant,
assistant U.S. Attorney Stephen R. Freccero stated
that “The United States has no objection to the
unsealing of the search warrant [and] the return of
the property seized.” So the treasure trove of al
Qaeda-related intelligence went back to MJK.

Ironically after his extradition, Khalifa landed in
Saudi Arabia where he ran a seafood restaurant in
Jeddah for several years. Arrested after 9/11 by
the Saudis, he was later freed and openly
condemned his billionaire brother-in-law bin Laden
– criticism for which he may have paid dearly. On
January 31st, 2007 an armed group of some 20 men
attacked his house in Madagascar and murdered
him; stealing his belongings and any trace that may
have remained of his links to the Manila cell behind
the 9/11 plot.

In this memo, (the Gorelick wall) written two
months after her letter acquiescing to Khalifa’s
deportation, Gorelick issued that Justice
Department directive creating the infamous “wall,”
instructing FBI agents and DOJ prosecutors to
separate past criminal investigations, “including the
bombing of the World Trade Center” and “the
indicted case of United States v. Rahman, et al.”
from Foreign Counter Intelligence (FCI)
investigations of future terrorist acts.

In effect, Gorelick was ordering the breakup the
Justice Department’s war on terror into two
separate camps.

(Of course Bush's AG Ashcroft could have ended
that policy but didn't, he renewed it)

In the entire 604-page authorized edition of The
9/11 Commission Report, there isn’t a word about
Gorelick’s role in supporting the exit of Mohammed
Jamal Khalifa, or about the “wall memo”—two of the
most damaging moves the United States justice
system took on the road to 9/11.

(When is the amended version due out??? 2020??)

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Cover Up: What the Government Is Still Hiding About the War on Terror.

The two big questions:

1) Why did the U.S. Justice Department ignore
probative evidence from the Philippines National
Police (PNP) in 1995 that Ramzi Yousef, the original
World Trade Center bomber, had conspired with his
uncle Khalid Shaikh Mohammed (KSM) as early as
1994 to set in motion the plot that culminated on
9/11?

In the spring of 1995, Col. Rodolfo B. Mendoza, a
leading PNP investigator who had interrogated
Yousef's lifelong friend and co-conspirator, Abdul
Hakim Murad, gave the U.S. Embassy in Manila
evidence that Yousef and KSM already had chosen
had six targets: the WTC, The Pentagon, CIA HQ
at Langley, VA, The Sears Tower in Chicago, the
Transamerica Tower in San Francisco and an
unnamed nuclear facility.

Col. Mendoza also had evidence that up to 10
Islamic radicals were then training in U.S. flight
schools. This was 1995.

Col. Mendoza, who was the Richard Clarke of The
Philippines, when it came to his knowledge of
Islamic radicalism, was very clear with the U.S.
government and warned our officials in in the spring
of 1995 of that PRECISE plot which unfolded six
years later.

The Justice Department seemingly failed to pursued
this extraordinary warning.

2) The second question left unanswered,........was
why did the FBI and Justice Dept. treat the hunt
for KSM so differently than the public hunt for his
nephew -- which had successfully brought Yousef
to ground?

The second half of Cover Up is a painstaking
analysis of the 9/11 Commission and it's
effective whitewash. I go into great detail
with evidence of how;

-the Commission was hopelessly skewed on both
the right and the left;

-how the staff was riddled with conflicts of interest
-- almost half of the staff members were alumni of
the very intelligence agencies they were asked to
judge;

-how both Democrats and Republicans, cherry
picked evidence and limited the scope of the
investigation to 1998 forward in order -- I believe
-- to ignore the culpability of the FBI, CIA and
other agencies for failing to stop Osama bin Laden's
12 year juggernaut;

-how, in effect, the fix was in on this Commission
from day one -- there was an intentional decision
to limit the damage across three presidential
administrations and eliminate ANY accountability or
blame for what I call the biggest
intelligence failure since The Trojan Horse.


They decided to bury the treasure trove of al
Qaeda intelligence which Scarpa Jr. had risked his
life to get.

Despite not a single homicide conviction, he was
sentenced to 40 years for RICO violations. Compare
this to Sammy The Bull Gravano who got just 5
years after killing 19 people.

The Feds ended up calling Greg Jr.'s intel from
Yousef -- material with details that NO WISEGUY
ever could have known -- a "hoax" and "a scam."

They allowed a Supervisory Special Agent in the
New York office who had been involved in a corrupt
relationship with Greg's father to retire with a full
pension after he had taken the Fifth and answered
"I don't recall" 44 times following a grant of
immunity.

.....back in the fall of 1996, the fix was in and a
series of high level DOJ officials of the Clinton
Justice Department went on as if it were business
as usual, sweeping under the rug, I believe, the
biggest act of al Qaeda terror prior to 9/11.

By the way in a speech last fall at Claremont,
College in California, 9/11 Commission, John
Lehman, the former Secretary of the Navy, let it
slip that intelligence indicated that Baluchistan
(Iran) is where OBL was now hiding.

 

[gsvol]

Why did the Clinton administration
try to portray the Oklahoma City bombing
as the work of white supremacists???

In 1996, Jayna played an instrumental role in helping
McVeigh's lawyers uncover Nichols' Philippine liaisons
with the world's most nefarious brokers of terror.

Although the evidence remains under court seal, the
author has obtained secret filings which include the
sworn statement of Edwin Angeles, the co-founder of
Abu-Sayyaf, Edwin Angeles the Southeast Asian
spin-off chapter of Al-Qaeda. Angeles insisted that he
attended a meeting in the early 1990s on the island of
Mindanao in which Terry Nichols discussed bomb making
with Osama bin Laden's chief explosives trainer - Ramzi
Yousef, the convicted mastermind of the 1993 truck
bombing of the World Trade Center.

On December 11, 1994, just four months before the
Murrah Building attack, Nichols and the ruthless Ramzi
Yousef were both staying in Cebu City. Did the two men
cross paths? Did the angry American learn the macabre
genius of terrorist bomb making from Osama's fanatical
field general? While a stunned nation watched televised
images of bloodied victims streaming from the federal
complex, Abdul Hakim Murad, Yousef's devotee and
imprisoned co-defendant in a failed plot to blow up U.S.
jetliners over Manila, confessed to the FBI that
Philippine-based terrorists were complicit in the
Oklahoma bombing.

The most incriminating testimony centers around former
Iraqi soldier, Hussain Al-Hussaini, whom witnesses place
in the company of Saddam Hussein bomber Timothy
McVeigh prior to the blast, seated in the passenger seat
of the Ryder truck the morning of April 19, exiting that
truck at ground zero, and speeding away from the bomb
site in the only getaway vehicle targeted by the FBI in
an all-points-bulletin for Middle Eastern suspects.

Al-Hussaini has been unable to establish his
whereabouts for the critical hours of that fateful
morning, and more glaringly, the Justice Department
has declined to officially exonerate him of suspicion.

Our conclusion would be that this guy (Al-Hussaini) had
been a member of either the Special Troops Division of
the Iraqi Military Intelligence or the Adnan Division of
the Republican Guard," Colonel Lang firmly asserted.

The ex-military intelligence chief postulated that
Al-Hussaini's purported history as a political dissenter
was "complete nonsense," but the story, in his opinion,
served as a clever means to facilitate infiltration into
the United States as a false defector and Iraqi
intelligence agent. "This guy is clearly not a refugee ...
none of that fits with his tattoo."

"I have compared this (Jayna Davis' investigation) to all
human intelligence I have looked at, and in comparing
that to classified material, this is not just one witness.

This is not just two witnesses. You're talking about
twenty-three people," stated Larry Johnson, a former
CIA analyst and deputy director of counterterrorism for
the U.S. Department of State.

In March 2002, Johnson succinctly summarized the
enormity of evidence implicating the Middle East before
a nationwide television audience.

 

[gsvol]

Speaking of the former President.He was at the Carlyle Business Conference with the brother of Osama Bin laden.(the Washington Post)The conference was interrupted the next day by the attacks.

Not insinuating,just repeating circumstances.

Have you seen me praising the Republican Party or the Bush family????

And when you say 'former president' you are speaking of George H. W. Bush who was the one who attended the Carlyle meeting on Sept 10th, 2001.

Also attending the conference was Shafig bin Laden, one of the 54 children of Mohammed bin Laden who was also the father of Osama bin Laden.

So were a lot of other high profile businessmen such James Baker.

The bin-Laden family disowned Osama in 1994.

Was Michael Moore there???

Did they all have a group grope??

I can understand people getting stuck on stupid, but I can't understand why some want to spend their whole life there.