A Bruce Pearl Comparison that actually fits..

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rcrrcr said:
Coach Martin will either be fired at the end of this year or at the end of next year when the team will fight to get into the NIT. You have to win at least half your games to get into the NIT. Why not do it this year and be one year ahead of the rebuilding process.
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That's actually not true
 
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There is no comparison that fits the Bruce Pearl scenario. IF UT were to rehire him, they'll be going into uncharted waters. If any D1 school hires him, they'll be going into uncharted waters. I know of no case where a coach of a D1 program was given a show-cause penalty and then returned to coaching a D1 school. I believe there are a few cases where they found employment at lower division schools, but none returned to D1.
 
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Weezer said:
There is no comparison that fits the Bruce Pearl scenario. IF UT were to rehire him, they'll be going into uncharted waters. If any D1 school hires him, they'll be going into uncharted waters. I know of no case where a coach of a D1 program was given a show-cause penalty and then returned to coaching a D1 school. I believe there are a few cases where they found employment at lower division schools, but none returned to D1.
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The only coach in history to get a D-1 job after a show-cause was Todd Bozeman. But the school that hired him was...Morgan State. No high-major program has ever hired a coach after a show-cause.
 
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SGMVols said:
The only coach in history to get a D-1 job after a show-cause was Todd Bozeman. But the school that hired him was...Morgan State. No high-major program has ever hired a coach after a show-cause.
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That's true. But, we really don't have much of a 'gene pool' to draw conclusions from. There have only been a total of 8 head coaches that were hit with show cause penalty.

Greenberg - his show cause is still in effect
Pearl - his show cause is still in effect
McCarthy - he is 73 years old
Sampson - assistant with the Houston Rockets
Bliss - his show cause is still in effect
Haskins - he is 70 years old
Bozeman - coaching NCAA basketball team
Wade - not coaching

So, Wade wasn't rehired and both Haskins and McCarthy were in their 60s when their penalties expired. Everyone else still has their show cause in effect, or they are coaching somewhere.

I don't think too many conclusions should be drawn from this about Pearl's future. The NCAA's penalty on Pearl was not consistent with any other penalty they have levied. All of the others coaches with show cause lied about serious violations of NCAA rules. Other coaches that were not given show cause have lied about more serious violations (before and since Pearl) without receiving such a harsh penalty (e.g. Frank Haith).

I don't believe Pearl will be Tennessee's next coach, but I do believe he will be coaching at a high level within the next 2 years.
 
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Weezer said:
There is no comparison that fits the Bruce Pearl scenario. IF UT were to rehire him, they'll be going into uncharted waters. If any D1 school hires him, they'll be going into uncharted waters. I know of no case where a coach of a D1 program was given a show-cause penalty and then returned to coaching a D1 school. I believe there are a few cases where they found employment at lower division schools, but none returned to D1.
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Check out Coleman at Morgan State.

Only two coaches getting a show cause have been someone you would want to hire even if the show cause didn't exist. Sampson and Pearl. Sampson has some time left on his show cause and coaches in the NBA.
 
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terrypedigo said:
You hit right on we don't want the NCAA breathing down our neck till they nail us and if PEARL came back they would stay on our azz till they caught us.
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What an assanine comment. Pearl was punished and has served his time. The NCAA is a lot more lenient than it was when he was punished. Frank Haith did much worse when he was at Miami and got hit with a 5 game suspension because the NCAA is a bunch of *****cats now. Pearl could come back here next year and probably finish in the top 4 of the SEC with little talent because he knows how to get his talent to overachieve.
 
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knowthevols said:
Check out Coleman at Morgan State.

Only two coaches getting a show cause have been someone you would want to hire even if the show cause didn't exist. Sampson and Pearl. Sampson has some time left on his show cause and coaches in the NBA.
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Actually Sampson's showcause is over, and I didn't hear about 1 school inquiring about him.
 
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hillsborovol said:
That's true. But, we really don't have much of a 'gene pool' to draw conclusions from. There have only been a total of 8 head coaches that were hit with show cause penalty.

Greenberg - his show cause is still in effect
Pearl - his show cause is still in effect
McCarthy - he is 73 years old
Sampson - assistant with the Houston Rockets
Bliss - his show cause is still in effect
Haskins - he is 70 years old
Bozeman - coaching NCAA basketball team
Wade - not coaching

So, Wade wasn't rehired and both Haskins and McCarthy were in their 60s when their penalties expired. Everyone else still has their show cause in effect, or they are coaching somewhere.

I don't think too many conclusions should be drawn from this about Pearl's future. The NCAA's penalty on Pearl was not consistent with any other penalty they have levied. All of the others coaches with show cause lied about serious violations of NCAA rules. Other coaches that were not given show cause have lied about more serious violations (before and since Pearl) without receiving such a harsh penalty (e.g. Frank Haith).

I don't believe Pearl will be Tennessee's next coach, but I do believe he will be coaching at a high level within the next 2 years.
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What about Donnie Jones at UCF or Rob Senderoff?
 
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NYC Vol said:
What about Donnie Jones at UCF or Rob Senderoff?
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Senderoff wasn't a head coach when he got the show cause penalty, and that's why I didn't include him in the list. He is now the head coach at Kent State.

I overlooked Donnie Jones, but he was never fired at UCF and is still their head coach.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Actually Sampson's showcause is over, and I didn't hear about 1 school inquiring about him.
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The school is not going to announce until it becomes fact, and Sampson is remaining silent. However I would rather have him coach here than the coach impersonator we have now. Or any on the list you named off a few weeks ago.
 
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knowthevols said:
The school is not going to announce until it becomes fact, and Sampson is remaining silent. However I would rather have him coach here than the coach impersonator we have now. Or any on the list you named off a few weeks ago.
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Lol. Just say, "I was wrong", and leave it at that next time.
 
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1985Vols said:
What an assanine comment. Pearl was punished and has served his time. The NCAA is a lot more lenient than it was when he was punished. Frank Haith did much worse when he was at Miami and got hit with a 5 game suspension because the NCAA is a bunch of *****cats now. Pearl could come back here next year and probably finish in the top 4 of the SEC with little talent because he knows how to get his talent to overachieve.
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I know the allegations against Frank Haith, but what was the NCAA actually able to prove? Pearl admitted he lied. The NCAA didn't have to worry about evidence as they had a confession. What evidence did they have that proved Haith had done worse?

I'm not defending Frank Haith, I'm just saying posters that keep bringing up his name, somehow thinking there's a Pearl comparison, are wrong. The NCAA can only act on what it can prove. Hearsay is not evidence. What Haith did or did not do has no relation to what Pearl admitted doing. The scenarios aren't even close.
 
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SGMVols said:
The only coach in history to get a D-1 job after a show-cause was Todd Bozeman. But the school that hired him was...Morgan State. No high-major program has ever hired a coach after a show-cause.
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I knew about Bozeman, but had no idea Morgan State was a D1 school. How the hell did that happen? :)

I just assumed with a name like Morgan State, they must be a lower division school.
 
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1985Vols said:
What an assanine comment. Pearl was punished and has served his time. The NCAA is a lot more lenient than it was when he was punished. Frank Haith did much worse when he was at Miami and got hit with a 5 game suspension because the NCAA is a bunch of *****cats now. Pearl could come back here next year and probably finish in the top 4 of the SEC with little talent because he knows how to get his talent to overachieve.
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Not sure if you make your way over to the football forum much but Pedigo is famous for making assinine comments
 
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Weezer said:
I know the allegations against Frank Haith, but what was the NCAA actually able to prove? Pearl admitted he lied. The NCAA didn't have to worry about evidence as they had a confession. What evidence did they have that proved Haith had done worse?

I'm not defending Frank Haith, I'm just saying posters that keep bringing up his name, somehow thinking there's a Pearl comparison, are wrong. The NCAA can only act on what it can prove. Hearsay is not evidence. What Haith did or did not do has no relation to what Pearl admitted doing. The scenarios aren't even close.
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Haith changed his story four times and the NCAA said the same thing about Haith as they did about Pearl. That they weren't forthcoming.
 
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It would, indeed, give Hart a chance to show that he is committed to bringing UT back to the national stage. Risky? Potentially. But, being the AD at a big-time university is not a job for those light in the pants.
 
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