A comparison of Christianity and Islam.

[gsvol]

Any thoughts, comments or observations??

 

[TENNFOLD1974]

One is rational one has factions that are not.

 

[TENNFOLD1974]

I would like to say however i'm agnostic and find all religions repulsive.

 

[orangeblooded2]

Dependent upon were you are located.Continent,Hemisphere.The other is the most misunderstood religion in the world.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

I would like to say however i'm agnostic and find all religions repulsive.

Why?

 

[rjd970]

One is rational one has factions that are not.

IMO, both (Christianity, Islam) are irrational, and both have crazy's that pervert the teachings.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

IMO, both (Christianity, Islam) are irrational, and both have crazy's that pervert the teachings.

Right, so we have established we can say that about every thing......... religion, government, science....

Why is christianity singled out as being evil?

 

[Voodoomonkey]

Right, so we have established we can say that about every thing......... religion, government, science....

Why is christianity singled out as being evil?

I find that in general most people are tolerant of religion as long as it's not in your face. I don't believe Christianity is singled out as evil. Shoot, take a look around these boards and you'll see that overall, government is very demonized.

 

[dickens821]

I would like to say however i'm agnostic and find all religions repulsive.

repulsive. Really.
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[rjd970]

Right, so we have established we can say that about every thing......... religion, government, science....

Why is christianity singled out as being evil?

Which do you think is more evil? Islam, Christianity, Government, and Science? If you had to rank, how would they be ranked?

 

[OrangeEmpire]

I find that in general most people are tolerant of religion as long as it's not in your face. I don't believe Christianity is singled out as evil. Shoot, take a look around these boards and you'll see that overall, government is very demonized.

God bless them all!

:dance2:

 

[OrangeEmpire]

Which do you think is more evil? Islam, Christianity, Government, and Science? If you had to rank, how would they be ranked?

The only one I would rank as evil would be government.

That is the only one that can take your liberty away.

 

[rjd970]

The only one I would rank as evil would be government.

That is the only one that can take your liberty away.

I think there is a continuum. Some are clearly more dangerous, and some clearly benefit society more. Here is my rank, worst to least worst....

1. Islam
2. Christianity
3. Government
4. Science

 

[DC Vol]

Can we have all Science?

 

[OrangeEmpire]

I think there is a continuum. Some are clearly more dangerous, and some clearly benefit society more. Here is my rank, worst to least worst....

1. Islam
2. Christianity
3. Government
4. Science

I prefer freedom to choose.

 

[rjd970]

That is the only one that can take your liberty away.

Christianity and Islam can't take your liberty away? Anybody can do anything they want, one just has to deal with the consequences of said actions. Government can tell you what to do, whether you choose to or not determines the punishment. Same with religion...but mostly said punishments are post-mortem. And if you really believe it is true, what's the difference if your alive or not?

....hell, on that note, religion promises punishment for eternity for disobedience. That alone makes it a worse liberty taker than government.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

Christianity and Islam can't take your liberty away? Anybody can do anything they want, one just has to deal with the consequences of said actions. Government can tell you what to do, whether you choose to or not determines the punishment. Same with religion...but mostly said punishments are post-mortem. And if you really believe it is true, what's the difference if your alive or not?

1.) No, it is voluntary, it is by your own free choice to follow a religion.

2.) Government shouldn't tell you to apply for a permit to build a fence and the private land owner wait two months for completion.

3.) Don't follow, there is only one punishment after death.

4.) Don't follow.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

Christianity and Islam can't take your liberty away? Anybody can do anything they want, one just has to deal with the consequences of said actions. Government can tell you what to do, whether you choose to or not determines the punishment. Same with religion...but mostly said punishments are post-mortem. And if you really believe it is true, what's the difference if your alive or not?

....hell, on that note, religion promises punishment for eternity for disobedience. That alone makes it a worse liberty taker than government.

No, you have the freedom to choose.

 

[rjd970]

1.) No, it is voluntary, it is by your own free choice to follow a religion.

2.) Government shouldn't tell you to apply for a permit to build a fence and the private land owner wait two months for completion.

3.) Don't follow, there is only one punishment after death.

4.) Don't follow.

1. It's your own free choice to follow government too, no? Same with religion, you just have to deal with the consequences afterward. Except one only punishes you while you are alive.

2. Religion shouldn't tell people what to do in the privacy of their own bedroom either. Or accept the circumstances under which certain people died 2000 years ago in order to enjoy eternal joy. Sacrifice oneself to get 72 virgins...etc...etc...

3. Matt 5:22 "the fire of hell."

Matt 25:41 "you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."

Matt 25:46 "eternal punishment"

Three different places in Matthew: "the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.�

Mark 9:48 "hell, where ��their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.� "

Luke 16:22-24 "The rich man also died and was buried. In hell, where he was in torment, ... '...I am in agony in this fire.�"

Rev 20:14 "The lake of fire is the second death. 15 If anyone�s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire."

...sounds like more than a singular punishment to me.

4. Punishment is punishment, if you really believe everlasting life after death, what the difference. You will still be able to suffer it.

 

[rjd970]

No, you have the freedom to choose.

No more than you do under government.

 

[wounded mullet]

I think we need a thread to discuss Scientology , talk about some knee slappers.. Maybe title it "whats you're favorite cult?"

 

[VolsDeep]

One thing that I find interesting is that it is very difficult to equate Christianity (at least how we see it) and Islam (again, how we see it). The reason is that for most of us Christianity is something that we practice one hour a week before Football. Sure, we pray and stuff like that, but for most Christians in the U.S. there everyday life actions are not dramatically different than those that are not Christian... In Islam, it is more of a culture than an actual religion... it is much harder to define because it encapsulates so much of their society, whereas in the West, Christianity can easily be illustrated by churches, preachers, etc. The biggest problem Westerners have in their conception of Islam is that they want to ask, "So where is your bishop?" We are used to Religion being an institution and a structure, and Islam is neither - it is much more a cultural lifestyle.

 

[rjd970]

One thing that I find interesting is that it is very difficult to equate Christianity (at least how we see it) and Islam (again, how we see it). The reason is that for most of us Christianity is something that we practice one hour a week before Football. Sure, we pray and stuff like that, but for most Christians in the U.S. there everyday life actions are not dramatically different than those that are not Christian... In Islam, it is more of a culture than an actual religion... it is much harder to define because it encapsulates so much of their society, whereas in the West, Christianity can easily be illustrated by churches, preachers, etc. The biggest problem Westerners have in their conception of Islam is that they want to ask, "So where is your bishop?" We are used to Religion being an institution and a structure, and Islam is neither - it is much more a cultural lifestyle.

As little as 400 years ago Christianity wasn't that different than Islam in terms of being a cultural lifestyle. Just like Islam today, heresy and nonbelief was punishable by death in certain parts of the world. In many ways, its like Islam hasn't made it out of the middle ages...and in other ways, it is like they are clinging on to the glory of the 7th century where their culture was the center of intellectual enlightenment.

This unholy marriage of radical 7th century Islam with technological advancements of the 21st century is what I find most scary about it. The average radical Islamist is perfectly capable of being educated enough to build an atomic weapon, and still fully believe in the metaphysics of martydom. If you looks at the backgrounds of the 911 hijackers, most had college degrees and some even had advanced degrees.

 

[gsvol]

Dependent upon were you are located.Continent,Hemisphere.The other is the most misunderstood religion in the world.

What is dependent on geographical location?

Which is the most misunderstood and what is misunderstood about it.

Not trying to pick a fight, just looking for a little more depth as to what your view may be.

I would like to say however i'm agnostic and find all religions repulsive.

What is it about all religions that you find repulsive??

Just like Islam today, heresy and nonbelief was punishable by death in certain parts of the world.

In what parts of the world and by what sect??

...and in other ways, it is like they are clinging on to the glory of the 7th century where their culture was the center of intellectual enlightenment.

Really??? I think you are talking myth there, they burnt the libraries of Egypt and most everywhere else they conquered and it wasn't the Arab marauders who were the enlightened ones in the first place.

If you looks at the backgrounds of the 911 hijackers, most had college degrees and some even had advanced degrees.

"To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society"
-- Theodore Roosevelt

"No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, .......the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."
-- Winston Churchill

"As the horn is to the rhinoceros and the stinger is to the wasp, so the Mohammedan faith is to the Arabs."
-- Winston Churchill

“If any religion had the chance of ruling over England, nay Europe within the next hundred years, it could be Islam”--George Bernard Shaw

I don't know for sure but i have read that muslims already are the majority in Leeds, Bristol, Manchester and two other cities in England and the Archbishop of Canterbury has is advocating to incorporate sharia law into the British system.

"It seems to me a certainty that the fatalistic teachings of Mohammed and the utter degradation of the Arab women are the outstanding causes for the arrested development of the Arab. He is exactly as he was around the year 700, while we have been developing."
-- General George S. Patton

 

[JZVOL]

1. It's your own free choice to follow government too, no? Same with religion, you just have to deal with the consequences afterward. Except one only punishes you while you are alive.

2. Religion shouldn't tell people what to do in the privacy of their own bedroom either. Or accept the circumstances under which certain people died 2000 years ago in order to enjoy eternal joy. Sacrifice oneself to get 72 virgins...etc...etc...

3. Matt 5:22 "the fire of hell."

Matt 25:41 "you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."

Matt 25:46 "eternal punishment"

Three different places in Matthew: "the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.�

Mark 9:48 "hell, where ��their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.� "

Luke 16:22-24 "The rich man also died and was buried. In hell, where he was in torment, ... '...I am in agony in this fire.�"

Rev 20:14 "The lake of fire is the second death. 15 If anyone�s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire."

...sounds like more than a singular punishment to me.

4. Punishment is punishment, if you really believe everlasting life after death, what the difference. You will still be able to suffer it.

You can see it illustrated on the cross. The two thieves were being punished by the government on earth (being put to death) yet one chose to accept Christ and the Lord gave him a new life, despite being considered such a bad person on earth he was put to death.
The other thief chose to mock Christ and reject Him. What did Christ say to the thief that rejected Him? Nothing, Christ allowed the thief to make up his own mind and choose where he would spend eternity.

How would the world not benefit from not having sex except with one's wife/husband? No STD's, we wouldn't have the epidemic of single-parent homes, little to no AIDS.