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hatvol96

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Once, an orange wearing school south of the Mason Dixon line hired a northerner fond of bronzer to run their struggling basketball program. His teams pressed and gunned threes at a dizzying pace and the program reached a previously unseen level of consistent success. Then, scandal hit and the tanned man on the sidelines was exiled. "Woe is us!", cried his sycophants. "It's back to the scrapheap for us!" A less flamboyant, but more stable, coach was brought to town. A funny thing happened. The new coach took the base the bronzer aficianado had built and pushed the program even higher.

Texas basketball survived the transfer of power from Tom Penders to Rick Barnes just fine. Tennessee will do the same with the transition from Bruce Pearl to To Be Determined.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Once, an orange wearing school south of the Mason Dixon line hired a northerner fond of bronzer to run their struggling basketball program. His teams pressed and gunned threes at a dizzying pace and the program reached a previously unseen level of consistent success. Then, scandal hit and the tanned man on the sidelines was exiled. "Woe is us!", cried his sycophants. "It's back to the scrapheap for us!" A less flamboyant, but more stable, coach was brought to town. A funny thing happened. The new coach took the base the bronzer aficianado had built and pushed the program even higher.

Texas basketball survived the transfer of power from Tom Penders to Rick Barnes just fine. Tennessee will do the same with the transition from Bruce Pearl to To Be Determined.
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Solid.
 
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Bruce has the proven ability to win with less. Its obvious to most fans that less is the best any coach will have to work with at UT, a non-basketball school. This is the reason for his huge popularity prior to this season. Roy Williams could not win as coach of the Vols unless he could land multiple top players each season. There may be others who can but its not as easy as making a list and working your way down it.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Once, an orange wearing school south of the Mason Dixon line hired a northerner fond of bronzer to run their struggling basketball program. His teams pressed and gunned threes at a dizzying pace and the program reached a previously unseen level of consistent success. Then, scandal hit and the tanned man on the sidelines was exiled. "Woe is us!", cried his sycophants. "It's back to the scrapheap for us!" A less flamboyant, but more stable, coach was brought to town. A funny thing happened. The new coach took the base the bronzer aficianado had built and pushed the program even higher.

Texas basketball survived the transfer of power from Tom Penders to Rick Barnes just fine. Tennessee will do the same with the transition from Bruce Pearl to To Be Determined.
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I agree completely. It may take some time, but eventually everything will work out.
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iflipburgers said:
Bruce has the proven ability to win with less. Its obvious to most fans that less is the best any coach will have to work with at UT, a non-basketball school. This is the reason for his huge popularity prior to this season. Roy Williams could not win as coach of the Vols unless he could land multiple top players each season. There may be others who can but its not as easy as making a list and working your way down it.
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The notion that UT has to work with less is the reason so many want to keep this used car salesman who could not care less about the damage he does to our program. The evidence for that statement is in his behavior both before and after his apology.

We can do better. We will do better. Our current AD actually respects sports besides football, which isn't always the case at UT, and he can feel his chestnuts starting to roast. He has to make a good hire. Something good is about to happen.
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CardassianVol said:
The notion that UT has to work with less is the reason so many want to keep this used car salesman who could not care less about the damage he does to our program. The evidence for that statement is in his behavior both before and after his apology.

We can do better. We will do better. Our current AD actually respects sports besides football, which isn't always the case at UT, and he can feel his chestnuts starting to roast. He has to make a good hire. Something good is about to happen.
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Oh, its the blue sky theory! Fact is, as in the last hire, no top coach will take this job because he can't get the players to come here. Hamilton will never get a top coach to come here on the blue sky theory that players will choose UT over proven basketball schools. That leaves an unknown, hot coach of the week or coach making an NCAA run, same as when Bruce was hired. We hit the lottery with Bruce, think we can get that lucky again? I realize Bruce must go at this point but replacing him will be a crap shoot at best regardless of what the blue sky theorists think.
 
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iflipburgers said:
Oh, its the blue sky theory! Fact is, as in the last hire, no top coach will take this job because he can't get the players to come here. Hamilton will never get a top coach to come here on the blue sky theory that players will choose UT over proven basketball schools. That leaves an unknown, hot coach of the week or coach making an NCAA run, same as when Bruce was hired. We hit the lottery with Bruce, think we can get that lucky again? I realize Bruce must go at this point but replacing him will be a crap shoot at best regardless of what the blue sky theorists think.
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Cute. You actually believe that you know things. That lottery we won turned out to be a Nigerian prince wanting to give us his riches if we would only give him our bank account and social security numbers. He has tried his best to destroy everything good he did here. You want a blue sky? Your sky is swimming with colors right now. Come down off the hallucinogens.
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CardassianVol said:
Cute. You actually believe that you know things. That lottery we won turned out to be a Nigerian prince wanting to give us his riches if we would only give him our bank account and social security numbers. He has tried his best to destroy everything good he did here. You want a blue sky? Your sky is swimming with colors right now. Come down off the hallucinogens.
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Geez, if you discount the progression of the basketball program from the red (concessionaires screaming) to 4th in the nation in attendance, just wow is all I can say. The money is in the bank and the program is in perfect health. What has he destroyed? In any case that was not the point, yes he must be replaced, but it will not be a "don't worry everything is going to be fine or better scenario". I give us a 1 in 5 chance of retaining our recent top 20 status.
 
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Texas basketball survived the transfer of power from Tom Penders to Rick Barnes just fine. Tennessee will do the same with the transition from Bruce Pearl to To Be Determined.[/QUOTE]

Sorry Hat but I can't agree with you on this one. Pardon the pun but you are comparing apples to oranges here. Tennessee doesn't have the recruiting base that Texas does when it comes to basketball. Unless we find another diamond in the rough or a coach from a mid-major that runs a system similar to Pearls, UT will not win on a consistent basis. I've been watching and attending UT basketball games since the early 80's and these past 6 years have been the greatest run in our history. It will be very difficult to top that or even stay in that same level of consistency.
 
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iflipburgers said:
Geez, if you discount the progression of the basketball program from the red (concessionaires screaming) to 4th in the nation in attendance, just wow is all I can say. The money is in the bank and the program is in perfect health. What has he destroyed? In any case that was not the point, yes he must be replaced, but it will not be a "don't worry everything is going to be fine or better scenario". I give us a 1 in 5 chance of retaining our recent top 20 status.
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So I guess you didn't even read Hat's post. The last time I checked, Texas is hardly a "basketball" school and they've done fine.

Secondly, a HUGE fact you chicken littles keep ignoring is we had an idiot AD for years that didn't give two craps about men's basketball. The situation at UT has totally changed. Pearl proved it can be done, but you're extremely foolish to believe he's the only one that can.

I'm at the point that I almost believe people like you are hoping the program tanks just so you can gloat about how right you were that it has to be Pearl. Of course you'll probably ignore the fact that he's going to leave UT in a crappy position because of his actions.
 
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90VOL said:
Texas basketball survived the transfer of power from Tom Penders to Rick Barnes just fine. Tennessee will do the same with the transition from Bruce Pearl to To Be Determined.
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Sorry Hat but I can't agree with you on this one. Pardon the pun but you are comparing apples to oranges here. Tennessee doesn't have the recruiting base that Texas does when it comes to basketball. Unless we find another diamond in the rough or a coach from a mid-major that runs a system similar to Pearls, UT will not win on a consistent basis. I've been watching and attending UT basketball games since the early 80's and these past 6 years have been the greatest run in our history. It will be very difficult to top that or even stay in that same level of consistency.[/QUOTE]

Doug Dickey isn't AD anymore.
 
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StepCross said:
Yeah, but he never did quite prove he could win with more.
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Are you kidding? Do we need to publish the stats for the past 6 years? Here are just some that I can remember.

3 SEC East Championships, 1 overall SEC regular season championships, most wins in a season in UT history, first #1 ranking in UT history, 3 Sweet 16's, one elite 8, etc..

These were with 4 star and 5 star players. He proved he could win with no star as well as the 5 star so I don't understand your point here sorry.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
So I guess you didn't even read Hat's post. The last time I checked, Texas is hardly a "basketball" school and they've done fine.

Secondly, a HUGE fact you chicken littles keep ignoring is we had an idiot AD for years that didn't give two craps about men's basketball. The situation at UT has totally changed. Pearl proved it can be done, but you're extremely foolish to believe he's the only one that can.

I'm at the point that I almost believe people like you are hoping the program tanks just so you can gloat about how right you were that it has to be Pearl. Of course you'll probably ignore the fact that he's going to leave UT in a crappy position because of his actions.
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People like me? Where did that come from.

That's a ridiculous comparison, Texas has always had access and a steady stream of elite high school players while Tennessee has never had access. Even Pearl has never recruited players on the level of Texas. The elite players are never choosing Tennessee over the top basketball schools, proven fact. What is going to change that, nothing.
 
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I hope you are right, but I doubt it. I think it will be atleast four to five years before we even sniff the tournament.
 
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Another history lesson. Once upon a time there was a Basketball coach who coached a team of orange. He was a great basketball coach knowing his x's and o's with the best of them. In fact, many considered his coaching abilities were some of the best in the country. He took teams to the NCAA, which was a rarity at that time. A huge arena was built to accommodate the Big Orange basketball fans. But, alas, he kept running into difficult teams in the tournament and could not win the big one. And the NCAA changed the rules putting in a shot clock. This seemed to hamper his coaching, the fan base roars that he has lost it. Further, the tournament disappointments continue to mount. "Let's upgrade our coach," the fans roared. "We need to get someone that can take us to the next level," others said. "It should be easy to get a great coach here, now," others said, since our arena rivals all others, including that scary Rupp Arena. " We can go out and get any coach that we want now," they said. The rest is history.
Before some echos start their sad refrain that this was that stupid Dickey, this history lesson is not to defend BP or attack any other post or poster. It's purpose is remind that the firing and hiring of any coach is fraught with difficulties and unknowns and the right coach at the right program is more or less a crap shoot. Looking back over our football with two coaches in two years, and a losing record in each year, is additional proof of the frailty of coach hunting.
 
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iflipburgers said:
People like me? Where did that come from.

That's a ridiculous comparison, Texas has always had access and a steady stream of elite high school players while Tennessee has never had access. Even Pearl has never recruited players on the level of Texas. The elite players are never choosing Tennessee over the top basketball schools, proven fact. What is going to change that, nothing.
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Hello. I'm Scotty Hopson, and I'm Tobias Harris. Nice to meet you Mr. Fool.
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hatvol96 said:
Once, an orange wearing school south of the Mason Dixon line hired a northerner fond of bronzer to run their struggling basketball program. His teams pressed and gunned threes at a dizzying pace and the program reached a previously unseen level of consistent success. Then, scandal hit and the tanned man on the sidelines was exiled. "Woe is us!", cried his sycophants. "It's back to the scrapheap for us!" A less flamboyant, but more stable, coach was brought to town. A funny thing happened. The new coach took the base the bronzer aficianado had built and pushed the program even higher.

Texas basketball survived the transfer of power from Tom Penders to Rick Barnes just fine. Tennessee will do the same with the transition from Bruce Pearl to To Be Determined.
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of programs who made the right hire and carried on--but there are a TON of examples of schools that hired the wrong guy. Good grief: How about Oklahoma and Arkansas, both with strong bb traditions--both just sacked their coaches. Wake Forest? Had it going for a few years; the coach dies, they hire one of his assistants who did fairly well but not good enough for the AD, so he was fired. WF was dead last in the ACC this year--worse than a laughable Virginia squad. I could go on and on: Michigan, which is similar to UT in many ways, has been trying to find a winner for 20 years.

When it came to sacking Phil Fulmer, I laughed at all the diehards who said he couldn't be replaced, because he was old and burned out. But I'm on the other side of the fence with Pearl. Yea, we could luck out and hire the right guy--but all we have to do is look at OUR OWN coaching history to see how tough it is to find a winner. Plus, Pearl loves UT. Here is a guy who painted his chest and stood in the stands with fans at a women's game. I loved that, and what he has done for the program before screwing up, and he will be damn difficult to replace. Anybody who thinks otherwise is whistling past the graveyard.
 
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i'm sorry, but your athletic director is an idiot.

i wouldn't be surprised if he went out and hired pat kennedy .
 
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hatvol96 said:
Once, an orange wearing school south of the Mason Dixon line hired a northerner fond of bronzer to run their struggling basketball program. His teams pressed and gunned threes at a dizzying pace and the program reached a previously unseen level of consistent success. Then, scandal hit and the tanned man on the sidelines was exiled. "Woe is us!", cried his sycophants. "It's back to the scrapheap for us!" A less flamboyant, but more stable, coach was brought to town. A funny thing happened. The new coach took the base the bronzer aficianado had built and pushed the program even higher.

Texas basketball survived the transfer of power from Tom Penders to Rick Barnes just fine. Tennessee will do the same with the transition from Bruce Pearl to To Be Determined.
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One thing I have learned from history is that no one like Mike Hamilton learns from history!:whistling:
GO VOLS, BEAT MICHIGAN!
 
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