A History Lesson.

#26
#26
bowlinggreenvol said:
Hello. I'm Scotty Hopson, and I'm Tobias Harris. Nice to meet you Mr. Fool.
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Another foolish comparison, see if UNC will trade any starter they have for Hopson, even the 2 Kentucky schools did not offer him, a leftover headed for Turkey at best. Harris is the only example but it took Bruce 5 years to get 1 top recruit. Whatever coach is hired will do no better than Bruce in recruiting and never duplicate the Harris recruitment. Look around, the top basketball schools are getting 2 or 3 top 40 picks every year. UT 1 every 5 years. The next coach can't depend on recruiting.
 
#27
#27
hatvol96 said:
Once, an orange wearing school south of the Mason Dixon line hired a northerner fond of bronzer to run their struggling basketball program. His teams pressed and gunned threes at a dizzying pace and the program reached a previously unseen level of consistent success. Then, scandal hit and the tanned man on the sidelines was exiled. "Woe is us!", cried his sycophants. "It's back to the scrapheap for us!" A less flamboyant, but more stable, coach was brought to town. A funny thing happened. The new coach took the base the bronzer aficianado had built and pushed the program even higher.

Texas basketball survived the transfer of power from Tom Penders to Rick Barnes just fine. Tennessee will do the same with the transition from Bruce Pearl to To Be Determined.
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If Ernie G. is in a leadership role in this process, then I'm with this logic.

But OP should consider that for every Texas, there is an Indiana and an Arkansas that continue to struggle after firing a successful coach. There are no guarantees.
 
#28
#28
iflipburgers said:
Geez, if you discount the progression of the basketball program from the red (concessionaires screaming) to 4th in the nation in attendance, just wow is all I can say. The money is in the bank and the program is in perfect health. What has he destroyed? In any case that was not the point, yes he must be replaced, but it will not be a "don't worry everything is going to be fine or better scenario". I give us a 1 in 5 chance of retaining our recent top 20 status.
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Really? I guess your definition of "perfect health" is totally different than mine. I'm thinking the coming sanctions will have us in ICU for a while.
 
#29
#29
90VOL said:
Are you kidding? Do we need to publish the stats for the past 6 years? Here are just some that I can remember.

3 SEC East Championships, 1 overall SEC regular season championships, most wins in a season in UT history, first #1 ranking in UT history, 3 Sweet 16's, one elite 8, etc..

These were with 4 star and 5 star players. He proved he could win with no star as well as the 5 star so I don't understand your point here sorry.
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After looking at these stats can't believe people want to spit on his grave.
 
#30
#30
To the OP I will believe it when I see. I see some people doesnt know squat about UT bball history. We have decades of poor history with flashes of good seasons. Get ready to be a bottom feeder again.
 
#31
#31
99gator said:
i'm sorry, but your athletic director is an idiot.

i wouldn't be surprised if he went out and hired pat kennedy .
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Good with finances. Good with facilities. Mixed record at best on hires. Pathetic when it comes to public relations.

I would trade for Foley in a heartbeat. At this point, I'd even prefer Dooley in the AD seat. He'd do a better overall job and not run around flapping his gums before the time is right.
 
#32
#32
slobberknocker said:
Really? I guess your definition of "perfect health" is totally different than mine. I'm thinking the coming sanctions will have us in ICU for a while.
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Its pretty simple, before Pearl losing money after Pearl huge profit. The only way that is reversed is for fans to stop coming to the games.
 
#33
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iflipburgers said:
Another foolish comparison, see if UNC will trade any starter they have for Hopson, even the 2 Kentucky schools did not offer him, a leftover headed for Turkey at best.
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you sure that Hopson wasn't offered by UK and UL? Seem to remember a lot of UK talk around him
 
#34
#34
i've got another little history lesson.

the previous 25 years before bruce pearl was at tennessee had tennessee......

play in the ncaa tourney 8 times
play in the nit tourney 8 times
not participate in any postseason play 9 times.

even kevin o'neill and all his genius struggled at tennessee. so, tennessee might land another coaching giant like o'neill, but still might have some problems.
 
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99gator said:
i've got another little history lesson.

the previous 15 years before bruce pearl was at tennessee had tennessee......

play in the ncaa tourney 4 times
play in the nit tourney 4 times
not participate in any postseason play 7 times.

even kevin o'neill and all his genius struggled at tennessee. so, tennessee might land another coaching giant like o'neill, but still might have some problems.
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truly groundbreaking stuff right there
 
#36
#36
Let me throw out another example--the team we are playing friday: Michigan. They fired Fisher about 15 years ago and have been in the TOILET ever since, until this year. I'm not suggesting that fisher shouldn't have been fired--that booster scandal they had with Webber makes Pearl's transgression look like kid's stuff--but they could not find the right guy. And they have major, natural recruiting advantages in BB that UT does not have, as does, by the way, Texas.
 
#37
#37
iflipburgers said:
Another foolish comparison, see if UNC will trade any starter they have for Hopson, even the 2 Kentucky schools did not offer him, a leftover headed for Turkey at best. Harris is the only example but it took Bruce 5 years to get 1 top recruit. Whatever coach is hired will do no better than Bruce in recruiting and never duplicate the Harris recruitment. Look around, the top basketball schools are getting 2 or 3 top 40 picks every year. UT 1 every 5 years. The next coach can't depend on recruiting.
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Not sure why some are bashing your thoughts. I think you have several valid points. And, unlike Hat, I too think finding another good coach is extremely difficult. How quickly we forget "hoping" we would make the tournament every year. As I said in another thread, I will be shocked if we are able to find a coach who can have the same success as Pearl has. His winning percentage is top 10 in the country during his time here and 6 straight tournaments has to be up there as well.
 
#38
#38
VolsSportsFan said:
I'm at the point that I almost believe people like you are hoping the program tanks just so you can gloat about how right you were that it has to be Pearl. Of course you'll probably ignore the fact that he's going to leave UT in a crappy position because of his actions.
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Is that any different than railing against the coach, staff, and fans before the cookout stuff and celebrating the fall of the coach and the embarassment to the program?
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#40
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iflipburgers said:
Another foolish comparison, see if UNC will trade any starter they have for Hopson, even the 2 Kentucky schools did not offer him, a leftover headed for Turkey at best. Harris is the only example but it took Bruce 5 years to get 1 top recruit. Whatever coach is hired will do no better than Bruce in recruiting and never duplicate the Harris recruitment. Look around, the top basketball schools are getting 2 or 3 top 40 picks every year. UT 1 every 5 years. The next coach can't depend on recruiting.
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You said UT has never beaten out a top program for a recruit, not whether or not they got one every year. Furthermore, Hopson was offered by both UK and UofL and took an official to UK.
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#41
#41
shyster said:
Another history lesson. Once upon a time there was a Basketball coach who coached a team of orange. He was a great basketball coach knowing his x's and o's with the best of them.
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end of fiction story reading for me.
 
#42
#42
If Texas A&M can play quality basketball, someone please tell me why UT can't survive without Bruce Pearl?
 
#43
#43
Pearl made me a basketball fan when I didn't even like the sport! I'm going back to not giving a crap anymore! Is it football season yet?
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#46
#46
ReebaVol said:
Pearl made me a basketball fan when I didn't even like the sport! I'm going back to not giving a crap anymore! Is it football season yet?
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Good. That's one less person at TBA asking me brilliant questions like "Is ETSU a conference game in basketball?"
 
#47
#47
JZVOL said:
If Texas A&M can play quality basketball, someone please tell me why UT can't survive without Bruce Pearl?
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There is no argument that UT cant play quality basketball without Bruce. It's just a general fear that they will botch the hire. That's a possibility.
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#50
#50
HendersonVol said:
There is no argument that UT cant play quality basketball without Bruce. It's just a general fear that they will botch the hire. That's a possibility.
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If they got Pearl "right" why are people afraid?
 
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