A. I. - artificial intelligence

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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Sooo...what good is efficiency if there is no one to buy your 💩 because no one has money because no one (or very very few) have jobs?
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There are various proposed outcomes.I'm just laying out the inevitability of it all and how much authoritarian power it would take to restrict it.


Proposed possibilities:

1) The luddite argument. Folks have been projecting for centuries that technology would take all our jobs. This has happened MANY times and often with more vigor. Imagine farmers being told they would only be 2% of the population within a century. It was unthinkable at that point. To this point, losing overall jobs has really not been the case. Could this break that trend? Possibly, but it's speculation at this point. But let's assume it does happen:

2) We allow x companies to utilize this blindingly powerful technology and for this, they pay a very high tax. This also allows them to sell to domestic individuals, to discourage offshoring. We begin utilizing minimum income distros, and...:

3) Working weeks become a fraction of what they are now. Again, companies pay to utilize this technology. The offset is individuals work less and others are distributed more.

These, of course, are considering humanity keeps control in a democratic manner. If the oligarchy takes over government itself, then it would become very dicey. But even then, they would need a buyer, right? So they will be encouraged to be within a system where both sellers and buyers can exist, otherwise they are losing out.


Oh, option 4:

The masses have control of production and said technology. Those managing it are given a pretty premium. The rest get COL distros. Something like that. Ofc this is all highly speculative, but futurists have been considering it for a hot minute. A resource-based economy is another interesting solution.

At this point it's all speculation, but we should be preparing society for the best possible outcomes, not burying our heads in the sand and destroying the machinery such as in the 1800s. We have to face this head on, in a serious manner.
 
#229
#229
Devo182 said:
Good or not, it's simply an inevitability, barring authoritarian measures.

Capitalism will make it so. Capitalism always strives toward efficiency and greed. Now, how does one stop that? Government intervention? Serious question.

Not sure how you halt a massive undergoing from thousands of individuals working digitally on separate projects any more than we can stop all hackers.
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its definitely not just capitalisms pushing it. The Chinese are pushing it, and a lot of it is for their social engineering. Even our own government has sought to use it for their own ends, and I am not willing to ascribe their motives as benevolent.

Capitalism is pushing it so that someone can make a buck off of it before the government comes in and complete corrupts it. and some people are actually seeing the beneficial side of it. Its unfortunate that you can't separate the good from the bad. There are big pushes in the AI field for things like advanced medical care, diagnoses, and even the wacky direct interface to fix some brain issues. Or coming up with sustainable food, power, and other tools. Capitalism is like any tool, it depends on the person using it to determine if its bad or good. we figured out a LONG time ago that centralized/controlled/top down economies aren't great or fair, equitable, or any other positive adjective.
 
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A disturbing new report shows the world's biggest tech companies forming an alliance with radical activists to promote a Marxist political agenda.

Kamala Harris- "And so, the machine is taught — and part of the issue here is what information is going into the machine that will then determine — and we can predict then, if we think about what information is going in, what then will be produced in terms of decisions and opinions that may be made through that process,”

https://thepoliticsbrief.com/big-tech-companies-form-woke-partnership-to-weaponize-ai/
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
Australian DishBrain researchers receive more than $400K to merge AI with human brain cells

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VolinWayne said:
A disturbing new report shows the world's biggest tech companies forming an alliance with radical activists to promote a Marxist political agenda.

Kamala Harris- "And so, the machine is taught — and part of the issue here is what information is going into the machine that will then determine — and we can predict then, if we think about what information is going in, what then will be produced in terms of decisions and opinions that may be made through that process,”

REVEALED: Big Tech Companies Form 'Woke' Partnership to Weaponize AI
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In the name of God, what are we doing??
 
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Vol737 said:
In the name of God, what are we doing??
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www.washingtonexaminer.com

Tesla robot attacked an engineer and left a trail of blood: Report - Washington Examiner

One of Tesla's manufacturing robots attacked an engineer at the Texas Gigafactory in an incident that left behind a trail of blood, according to a new report. One of the manufacturing arms at the electric car manufacturer pinned an engineer who was programming software into two nearby robots in...
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Was it an actual attack or was the robot just executing its preprogrammed routine and the engineer got in the way? I tend to think it was the latter rather than the former. If true, this is just more sensationalist media coverage.
 
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Matt2496 said:
www.washingtonexaminer.com

Tesla robot attacked an engineer and left a trail of blood: Report - Washington Examiner

One of Tesla's manufacturing robots attacked an engineer at the Texas Gigafactory in an incident that left behind a trail of blood, according to a new report. One of the manufacturing arms at the electric car manufacturer pinned an engineer who was programming software into two nearby robots in...
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Was it an actual attack or was the robot just executing its preprogrammed routine and the engineer got in the way? I tend to think it was the latter rather than the former. If true, this is just more sensationalist media coverage.
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Right. I'm thinking dude likely wasn't paying attention to the factory arm and got in the way of its routine orders.
 
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Google Says It Appears to Have Accessed Parallel Universes

Google has made an eyebrow-raising claim, arguing that its new uber-powerful quantum computer suggests we live inside a multiverse. The search giant recently unveiled a new quantum computer chip, dubbed Willow, which — according to the benchmarks the company made up — can outperform any...
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"Willow’s performance on this benchmark is astonishing," Google Quantum AI founder Hartmut Neven wrote in a blog post announcing the chip. "It performed a computation in under five minutes that would take one of today’s fastest supercomputers 10²⁵ or 10 septillion years."

How do they know the answer is correct if a supercomputer cant get an answer?
 
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Orangeburst said:
www.yahoo.com

Google Says It Appears to Have Accessed Parallel Universes

Google has made an eyebrow-raising claim, arguing that its new uber-powerful quantum computer suggests we live inside a multiverse. The search giant recently unveiled a new quantum computer chip, dubbed Willow, which — according to the benchmarks the company made up — can outperform any...
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"Willow’s performance on this benchmark is astonishing," Google Quantum AI founder Hartmut Neven wrote in a blog post announcing the chip. "It performed a computation in under five minutes that would take one of today’s fastest supercomputers 10²⁵ or 10 septillion years."

How do they know the answer is correct if a supercomputer cant get an answer?
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Good question. Maybe they just have faith in Skynet.
 
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Orangeburst said:
www.yahoo.com

Google Says It Appears to Have Accessed Parallel Universes

Google has made an eyebrow-raising claim, arguing that its new uber-powerful quantum computer suggests we live inside a multiverse. The search giant recently unveiled a new quantum computer chip, dubbed Willow, which — according to the benchmarks the company made up — can outperform any...
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com

"Willow’s performance on this benchmark is astonishing," Google Quantum AI founder Hartmut Neven wrote in a blog post announcing the chip. "It performed a computation in under five minutes that would take one of today’s fastest supercomputers 10²⁵ or 10 septillion years."

How do they know the answer is correct if a supercomputer cant get an answer?
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I had the same thought when I read those stories yesterday. Also, it is obviously impossible for them to know that today's fastest supercomputers would take 10 septillion years to solve their problem.
 
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Orangeburst said:
www.yahoo.com

Google Says It Appears to Have Accessed Parallel Universes

Google has made an eyebrow-raising claim, arguing that its new uber-powerful quantum computer suggests we live inside a multiverse. The search giant recently unveiled a new quantum computer chip, dubbed Willow, which — according to the benchmarks the company made up — can outperform any...
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com

"Willow’s performance on this benchmark is astonishing," Google Quantum AI founder Hartmut Neven wrote in a blog post announcing the chip. "It performed a computation in under five minutes that would take one of today’s fastest supercomputers 10²⁵ or 10 septillion years."

How do they know the answer is correct if a supercomputer cant get an answer?
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From the article:

"The particular calculation in question is to produce a random distribution," German physicist and science communicator Sabine Hossenfelder tweeted in response to Google's announcement. "The result of this calculation has no practical use."

"They use this particular problem because it has been formally proven (with some technical caveats) that the calculation is difficult to do on a conventional computer (because it uses a lot of entanglement)," she added. "That also allows them to say things like 'this would have taken a septillion years on a conventional computer' etc."

Willow is a 100-qubit, or quantum-bit, chip. Unlike conventional computers, which use zeroes and ones for a binary system, quantum computers rely on qubits, which can be on, off, or — counterintuitively — both thanks to quantum entanglement, the mysterious phenomenon that allows particles to influence each other's states even when separated by distance.

"It's exactly the same calculation that they did in 2019 on a circa 50 qubit chip," Hossenfelder wrote.
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hog88 said:
I wish they would write these articles in English.
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basically it sounds like they have proven that quantum computers can do things typical computers can not. they proved that by having the quantum computer do something worthless, create a random group of numbers through some set equation.

a normal computer would have taken a lot longer, septillion times, because they literally don't have the process to do it. The equation wants a random group of numbers based on some qualifiers, normal computers can't really handle the qualifiers because the equation requires a third option of "both". so they just extrapolated that into "septillion" times longer, instead of just saying its a new way for the computer itself to run/process/calculate the equations. the math is the same but the process is different.

A really really really dumb way, and probably not too accurate, to think about it is the Y2K shift. Old computers/software only used 2 digits for years to save space, when it rolled over into the 2000s the old computers and software didn't have 4 digits to make sense of the new dates. the new quantum computers have those 4 digits to work with, while typical computers only have 2. now in this particular case the 4 year digits is this "both" option used to prove who is the smartest computer in the room, not something practical like years in Y2K.

another, dumb and not so accurate, way to understand it is like having a math/science class where the teacher teaches you the long form equation first, old computers, but then afterwards teaches you the short form equation, quantum computer, to do the same thing. the quantum computers are a lot more powerful so they can "short form" the math, where the old computers have to "long form" the math. Its a completely different process to take the same information, and get the same answer, just faster.
 
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