A little more info to keep things in perspective

[landscapingvol]

UT currently has 23 four star players on the roster, updated do to the loss of Mo Couch. Of the 23 on the roster, 6 are seniors which will leave a total of 17 on the roster. As of right now, Tennessee has 11 four star players and 1 five star player committed. If UT holds serve and keeps them all, that will mean that UT will have 29 four star or higher players on the roster for 2014. That will be a net gain of 6 four star or higher players as compared to the 2013 roster which will make a big difference in terms of depth. UT will need another top 10 class of legitimate SEC caliber players in 2015 to get the UT roster up to consistent SEC play imo.

 

[UTWJ]

so we need to recruit better to get better? total nonsense

 

[volfanbill]

it isn't even really about recruiting better, it's more about keeping the recruits we bring in.

 

[RiseToTheTop]

problem is the ones that are here now have not been properly developed and are as mentally weak as you can get.

 

[LocoVol]

S alabama had 0 four stars and like 8 threes stars. They competed with a team a lot more talented. That's all I want to see this year. Compete thru October and win there after and I'm happy. Good scheme might not get us a win these next few games but should keep it respectable. Of course neither will matter if we keep throwing it to the other team

 

[volfan411]

S alabama had 0 four stars and like 8 threes stars. They competed with a team a lot more talented. That's all I want to see this year. Compete thru October and win there and I'm happy. Good scheme might not get us a win these next few games but should keep it respectable. Of course neither will matter if we keep throwing it to the other team

Wrong Danny Woodson was rated a 4 star out of high school.

 

[Freak]

it isn't even really about recruiting better, it's more about keeping the recruits we bring in.

This. Don't the star rankings intend to reflect how long before a player is able to contribute on the college level, or something like that?

A team full of 3 star fifth-year seniors is going to be in much better shape than a team forced to play a lot of true freshman while lacking quality depth.

 

[volfan411]

This. Don't the star rankings intend to reflect how long before a player is able to contribute on the college level, or something like that?

A team full of 3 star fifth-year seniors is going to be in much better shape than a team forced to play a lot of true freshman while lacking quality depth.

I spent a little time looking at the South Alabama roster and they have several kids who had offers from SEC schools and i did not realize that Metheny transferred there from Virginia. The RB Jay Jones was an all-american in JC so it is not like USA was on the level of Austin Peay.

 

[Freak]

I spent a little time looking at the South Alabama roster and they have several kids who had offers from SEC schools and i did not realize that Metheny transferred there from Virginia. The RB Jay Jones was an all-american in JC so it is not like USA was on the level of Austin Peay.

True. Although Tennessee is more talented.

The issue on Saturday wasn't talent, IMO. We showed that in the first half. I think we got a little complacent and also turned the ball over. I've seen it happen to much better teams than this one.

Don't get me wrong, we still have weaknesses that are being exploited. I think everybody knows it.

 

[Freak]

I spent a little time looking at the South Alabama roster and they have several kids who had offers from SEC schools and i did not realize that Metheny transferred there from Virginia. The RB Jay Jones was an all-american in JC so it is not like USA was on the level of Austin Peay.

Jay Jones is the type of back I imagined Butch using some in this type of offense.

 

[LocoVol]

S Alabama is no where near as talented as we are, just like we are not even close to bama. When we play the top half of the SEC talent is a fair argument, when we play a team that started in like 2009 who has a roster full do 2* and non rated player it's not.

8 total 3* athletes in four years
S Alabama
2009
2 3*
17 2*
Rest of class not rated

S Alabama
2010
1 3*
5 2*
Rest not rated

S Alabama
2011
2 3*
21 2*
Rest not rated

S Alabama
2012
3 3*
25 2*
Rest not rated

Scout.com

 

[LocoVol]

True. Although Tennessee is more talented.

The issue on Saturday wasn't talent, IMO. We showed that in the first half. I think we got a little complacent and also turned the ball over. I've seen it happen to much better teams than this one.

Don't get me wrong, we still have weaknesses that are being exploited. I think everybody knows it.

I agree. I just don't get the talent argument against the cupcakes. The coming teams whoa boy is there a talent problem. Lol

 

[volfan411]

True. Although Tennessee is more talented.

The issue on Saturday wasn't talent, IMO. We showed that in the first half. I think we got a little complacent and also turned the ball over. I've seen it happen to much better teams than this one.

Don't get me wrong, we still have weaknesses that are being exploited. I think everybody knows it.

Yes I agree I think they came out after the half and scored and thought that was ball game and USA still had fight in them. Hats off to them for not quitting.

I do believe that a couple of their skill position players on offense would start or at least see playing time if they were at UT.

 

[volfan411]

S Alabama is no where near as talented as we are, just like we are not even close to bama. When we play the top half of the SEC talent is a fair argument, when we play a team that started in like 2009 who has a roster full do 2* and non rated player it's not.

8 total 3* athletes in four years
S Alabama
2009
2 3*
17 2*
Rest of class not rated

S Alabama
2010
1 3*
5 2*
Rest not rated

S Alabama
2011
2 3*
21 2*
Rest not rated

S Alabama
2012
3 3*
25 2*
Rest not rated

Scout.com

Does those rankings include transfers? The reason I ask is I looked up Danny Woodson and he was rated a 4 star out of high school. They also have another transfer who is ineligible this year that was a 4 star out of HS.

 

[landscapingvol]

Good grief people UT tanked it in the second half, it happens all of the time to more talented teams. Quit pretending that South Alabama took it to UT all game long, if I am not mistaken they had less than 200 total yards into the third quarter. UT thought they had it in the bag but USA kept fighting so you have to tip your hat to them.

 

[LocoVol]

Does those rankings include transfers?

No idea but they have not had enough transfers to bridge the gap between us and them. I mean come on let's get real. Make that argument this week and after but not against a team that started just 4 or 5 years ago.

 

[daj2576]

I agree. I just don't get the talent argument against the cupcakes. The coming teams whoa boy is there a talent problem. Lol

Here is the SEC east broken down by star ratings AFTER the spring game this year.

 

[LWSVOL]

S Alabama is no where near as talented as we are, just like we are not even close to bama. When we play the top half of the SEC talent is a fair argument, when we play a team that started in like 2009 who has a roster full do 2* and non rated player it's not.

8 total 3* athletes in four years
S Alabama
2009
2 3*
17 2*
Rest of class not rated

S Alabama
2010
1 3*
5 2*
Rest not rated

S Alabama
2011
2 3*
21 2*
Rest not rated

S Alabama
2012
3 3*
25 2*
Rest not rated

Scout.com

they have 34 transfers on their roster. not sure how many of those, if any, are accounted for in your numbers.

 

[norriscraftbasser]

Yes I agree I think they came out after the half and scored and thought that was ball game and USA still had fight in them. Hats off to them for not quitting.

I do believe that a couple of their skill position players on offense would start or at least see playing time if they were at UT.

QB for sure.

 

[volfan411]

No idea but they have not had enough transfers to bridge the gap between us and them. I mean come on let's get real. Make that argument this week and after but one against a team that started just 4 or 5 years ago.

Look I am not making excuses but I am saying if you take the time to look at more that recruiting service rankings you make be surprised. I do not think that USA has as much talent as UT but I also think that UT talent is closer to USA than it is UGA.

 

[LocoVol]

Here is the SEC east broken down by star ratings AFTER the spring game this year.

That's odd, during Oregon week Hooker gave numbers and Tenn avg 3.5.

 

[volfan411]

they have 34 transfers on their roster. not sure how many of those, if any, are accounted for in your numbers.

I would say none of them are other than the ones that were recruited from JUCO and that was the point I was trying to make.

 

[Mountain Man]

True. Although Tennessee is more talented.

The issue on Saturday wasn't talent, IMO. We showed that in the first half. I think we got a little complacent and also turned the ball over. I've seen it happen to much better teams than this one.

Don't get me wrong, we still have weaknesses that are being exploited. I think everybody knows it.

We took our foot off of the gas. I agree with what you are saying 100%.

 

[PanicVol]

So how do waaaaaaay less talented teams compete with us, yet we can't compete with teams more talented than us?

 

[daj2576]

That's odd, during Oregon week Hooker gave numbers and Tenn avg 3.5.

Those are the rosters right after the spring game, so I dont think many (if any) of the 2013 class are included. That is basically soph-senior classes / 85.

Also, those are rivals numbers.