A little more info to keep things in perspective

[volfan411]

So how do waaaaaaay less talented teams compete with us, yet we can't compete with teams more talented than us?

I disagree with the statement we are waaaaay more talented than USA.

 

[LocoVol]

So how do waaaaaaay less talented teams compete with us, yet we can't compete with teams more talented than us?

That's what I said, to me it's A: qb play this year, bvercoming the mental block of how things have went the last few years C:scheme.

 

[Freak]

So how do waaaaaaay less talented teams compete with us, yet we can't compete with teams more talented than us?

That's kind of a generalization. AP or WKY didn't compete with us.

And I thought we competed against Florida. We had the ball deep in their territory late in the game with a chance to cut the deficit to seven; against a defense that many regarded as one of the best in the country.

That's just my perspective though.

 

[LocoVol]

That's what I said, to me it's A: qb play this year, bvercoming the mental block of how things have went the last few years C:scheme.

And along with those we are young at several important positions which affects C.

 

[theroyz71]

That's a lot of transfers.

 

[LocoVol]

That's kind of a generalization. AP or WKY didn't compete with us.

And I thought we competed against Florida. We had the ball deep in their territory late in the game with a chance to cut the deficit to seven; against a defense that many regarded as one of the best in the country.

That's just my perspective though.

Very true, I want to see how we compete this coming month followed by how we finish it out there after.

 

[Freak]

Very true, I want to see how we compete this coming month followed by how we finish it out there after.

Without a doubt. Butch needs to win three in November and that's going to be difficult without improvement in key areas.

 

[LocoVol]

That's a lot of transfers.

Deep pockets down there in Alabama. :birgits_giggle:

 

[volfan411]

If you go solely on the numbers provided in this thread and not factoring in transfers USA has an average star rating of 1.88 which is incredibly close to Vandy.

Sorry my math was wrong if any one seen my post prior to correction.

 

[jimallvol]

It all boils down to turnovers and a total lack of respect for usa. We thought we had it in the bag and took our foot of the gas and it just about cost us a really embarrassing lose

 

[volfan411]

QB for sure.

Yes and the Woodson was just not on the Alabama team that won a NC but he played.

I still agree with Freak that it was not a talent issue on Saturday as much as it was focus on finishing the game.

 

[QVOL81]

Interesting numbers. Thanks

 

[TreeGreen]

So how do waaaaaaay less talented teams compete with us, yet we can't compete with teams more talented than us?

QB play would go a long way to evening that out. We have failed to sustain offensive pressure in the games against better competition, much like what we did in the second half against USA. If, for example, the light comes on for Worley and the receivers against UGA it will probably be a good game. If not, it'll look familiar.

 

[LWSVOL]

So how do waaaaaaay less talented teams compete with us, yet we can't compete with teams more talented than us?

I have the answer..

constant coaching staff changes for the last 5 years. that has impacted player development for the Vols.

the DL has had a new coach every season for the last 6 seasons.

there have been around 5 S&C coaches.

that is why teams with less talent can compete and we can't compete with more talent. Its a development issue and directly impacted by the fact that these position groups have had a lot of different management in the meeting rooms and on the football field.

I believe that is the issue

 

[AlumniChase]

Unfortunately about 20 of them were apparently highly overrated.

 

[bigorange]

That's odd, during Oregon week Hooker gave numbers and Tenn avg 3.5.

I think that might have been the avg rating of the offense's starting 11.

 

[Batman1948]

This. Don't the star rankings intend to reflect how long before a player is able to contribute on the college level, or something like that?

A team full of 3 star fifth-year seniors is going to be in much better shape than a team forced to play a lot of true freshman while lacking quality depth.

Bingo---we have a winner folks. Glad someone on here has some knowledge about football and recruiting. Very well stated sir :salute:

 

[sjt18]

Here is the SEC east broken down by star ratings AFTER the spring game this year.

Your post is pretty close to what I have argued for awhile here. UT has more talent than Vandy, UK, and Mizzou. USCe has about as many talent and depth issues as UT does. UT's talent is not out of range to compete with UF and UGA.

You didn't have it but I suspect UT is out of range barring a miracle to competing with Bama. I'd be interested in Auburn who in spite of having a bad coach has recruited well. I'd suspect they're score is higher than UT and in line with UGA and UF.

 

[Advol]

I don't know nuttin bout Starz............I like Blue Chippers myself!!

 

[jasonvol18]

UT currently has 23 four star players on the roster, updated do to the loss of Mo Couch. Of the 23 on the roster, 6 are seniors which will leave a total of 17 on the roster. As of right now, Tennessee has 11 four star players and 1 five star player committed. If UT holds serve and keeps them all, that will mean that UT will have 29 four star or higher players on the roster for 2014. That will be a net gain of 6 four star or higher players as compared to the 2013 roster which will make a big difference in terms of depth. UT will need another top 10 class of legitimate SEC caliber players in 2015 to get the UT roster up to consistent SEC play imo.

We will have a few more by Feb. And a few guys like Paulk have chsnces to get their 4th. So potential for maybe 5-8 more

 

[utknate]

S Alabama is no where near as talented as we are, just like we are not even close to bama. When we play the top half of the SEC talent is a fair argument, when we play a team that started in like 2009 who has a roster full do 2* and non rated player it's not.

8 total 3* athletes in four years
S Alabama
2009
2 3*
17 2*
Rest of class not rated

S Alabama
2010
1 3*
5 2*
Rest not rated

S Alabama
2011
2 3*
21 2*
Rest not rated

S Alabama
2012
3 3*
25 2*
Rest not rated

Scout.com

I'm sure it looks similar on the other services, but who uses Scout when trying to make a point

 

[NickZ4UT]

UT currently has 23 four star players on the roster, updated do to the loss of Mo Couch. Of the 23 on the roster, 6 are seniors which will leave a total of 17 on the roster. As of right now, Tennessee has 11 four star players and 1 five star player committed. If UT holds serve and keeps them all, that will mean that UT will have 29 four star or higher players on the roster for 2014. That will be a net gain of 6 four star or higher players as compared to the 2013 roster which will make a big difference in terms of depth. UT will need another top 10 class of legitimate SEC caliber players in 2015 to get the UT roster up to consistent SEC play imo.

First of all, we got nuthin but five stars on this squad and jones is turrible for not turning them into the Denver Broncos. He's worse that Dooley and Battle combined! We ought to fire him and dig up Neyland so his ghost can coach the team!

This is what I think most of the couch coaches sound like. Jones will get it done in time, but that's what he needs, time. Good post and thanks for the insight.

 

[KBVol]

That's kind of a generalization. AP or WKY didn't compete with us.

And I thought we competed against Florida. We had the ball deep in their territory late in the game with a chance to cut the deficit to seven; against a defense that many regarded as one of the best in the country.

That's just my perspective though.

And it's a good one. I'm as frustrated as anyone and I've vented quite a bit on here since Saturday. It's very easy to lose perspective.... this helps.