A lot of this could have been prevented if.....

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Kids learned to commit to a school, not a coach. I realize that relationships are there, but if kids would have committed to play for Tennessee, not X, or O, or G, or EG, or whoever, then we wouldn't be in this situation of trying to convince these former commits to commit again.

I'm sorry, but Tennessee is going to be Tennessee, no matter who the coach is. A new coach won't erase our past history, our national championships, our quality of academics, our facilities, our traditions, our 107,000 fans on gamedays, or anything else about us. Tennessee is going to be just fine, no matter who the coach is. I truly believe that. We demand excellence, and we get it here.

So if you're a future or current recruit, save us the heartache. Come to UT because you want to be a Volunteer, not because you want to play for Dooley, or Chaney, or Thompson, or anyone else.

Thank you all, and have a nice day.

Oh yeah....V,B! :rock:
 
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pualsline said:
this could also be prevented if the Seahawks would have won a few games...
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Ha, true Paul, but honestly, Kiffin leaving now is probably better than him leaving a few years from now. He was already steering us down the wrong path. And honestly, I think the Seahawks was Pete's way of getting out of a declining USC program...i mean, they were not what they normally were, and it's not like Carroll had never gotten an NFL offer...don't know what made this one so special. He will most likely retire in the NFL.
 
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THIS COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED IF...If MH(and the jet owner/donors) would've hired...someone other than LK.
 
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Many drug addicts could have been prevented if someone hadn't have discovered cocaine.

Seriously... there's always going to be an element of the recruit following the coach. Hopefully not to the degree it was with Kiffin but still...

UT had a coach that believed in UT and sold UT... he failed. A big reason that UT is in trouble talent wise right now is because this method failed for Fulmer. He believed that "UT sold itself" but quite apparently it didn't. Further, if every recruits goes for the school and not something else... then UT loses big time due to the lack of instate talent.
 
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sjt18 said:
Many drug addicts could have been prevented if someone hadn't have discovered cocaine.

Seriously... there's always going to be an element of the recruit following the coach. Hopefully not to the degree it was with Kiffin but still...

UT had a coach that believed in UT and sold UT... he failed. A big reason that UT is in trouble talent wise right now is because this method failed for Fulmer. He believed that "UT sold itself" but quite apparently it didn't. Further, if every recruits goes for the school and not something else... then UT loses big time due to the lack of instate talent.
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biggest fails:

1. Hammy
2. Failmer
3. X
4. the OP

:eek:lol:
 
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This could have been prevented if...

-Matt Mauck didn't beat us in the SEC Championship

-Peyton had ever beat Florida

-Eric Ainge hadn't thrown a TD to Xenon

-If Fulmer had not thought he could get away not recruiting his last 3 years here

-Any others???

You can point all the fingers you want, but the situation is what it is. It could be better, but to tell you the truth, it could be worse. I think kids should commit to a school, but even if I loved a school I wouldn't want to play for someone I didn't like (i.e. Adam James/Mike Leach). You have to commit for the RIGHT reasons and those include the school and the coaches. You can see with this class most kids committed because they liked the school, and they have stuck. Several liked the coaches and have gone elsewhere. And then there are some like Justin Hunter, James Stone, etc who are more interested because said coaches left. Be proud to wear Orange and stop the finger pointing. It could be better or worse, but it doesn't matter because it is what it is.
 
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cascade11 said:
This could have been prevented if...

-Matt Mauck didn't beat us in the SEC Championship

-Peyton had ever beat Florida

-Eric Ainge hadn't thrown a TD to Xenon

-If Fulmer had not thought he could get away not recruiting his last 3 years here

-Any others???

You can point all the fingers you want, but the situation is what it is. It could be better, but to tell you the truth, it could be worse. I think kids should commit to a school, but even if I loved a school I wouldn't want to play for someone I didn't like (i.e. Adam James/Mike Leach). You have to commit for the RIGHT reasons and those include the school and the coaches. You can see with this class most kids committed because they liked the school, and they have stuck. Several liked the coaches and have gone elsewhere. And then there are some like Justin Hunter, James Stone, etc who are more interested because said coaches left. Be proud to wear Orange and stop the finger pointing. It could be better or worse, but it doesn't matter because it is what it is.
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Great post :rock:
 
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I would like to see Kids commit to a school as well. The reality is of it is that kids with the talent...real or perceived...want to develop that talent/exposure in an effort to go to the next level and get paid. This means they have to go to a program that runs the style of offense or defense and has certain coaches in place who will enable them to excel and give them the best shot at the next level. If I have the opportunity to play for someone with the knowledge, experience and connections of the next level...I think I would decide to play for those people.

For example...maybe a bad one...but an example: I love North East State Community College. Lived near it almost all my life. Love their colors, students and location. However, NESCC will not allow me to be the engineer I want to be and get paid they way I want to get paid...they just don't have the program nor professors that will allow me to do so. I will have to go to another school that offers the people and program that can prepare me to be an engineer.

UT offers this opportunity for some but not for all. I'm sure we get plenty of recruits who came to play for a certain coach because of what that coach can teach them and not because it was UT.
 
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im guessing you never played

the coach/player relationship in college is a huge huge factor. for the next 4 yrs your coach will be your boss,your father,your friend,your babysitter

obviously as a player youd look for trust/stablity in such a relationship

for me and you its easy. we grew up here(assuming) and wouldnt think any different of TN if captain crunch was the coach, we bleeed orange. but for a random kid from 400 miles away the coach matters a LOT
 
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At my company, I do a lot with sales. One of our salesman has the expression: "People still buy from people." I think it probably applies in recruiting as well. Many life decisions come down to relationships so I can't fault a kid for being drawn to a place based on the person with whom he'll be spending the majority of his non-class time.
 
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Kids do commit to schools..... But the fact is the coach recruiting that kid is the face of that school during his recruitment. He is the one telling him how great a place UT is. When that coach packs up and leaves in the middle of the night for somewhere else it gives the kid reason to question if that is the right place or not. Sometimes they stick and sometimes they don't....

But you can't blame the kids. It is a huge choice for them. They have to live it everyday. They want to be there with people they trust and they believe in.....

The sad part is what these coaches are doing. They are using schools against schools for more money for stepping stones for better jobs. It isn't right and that isn't why anyone should become a coach. It is the complete opisite of what they preach to these kids every day. It is wrong....
 
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Lets say you are ingaged for a year. You set the date of the wedding. The day finally arrives, you show up for the wedding and another woman has taken the place of your beloved. It would make you think or turn away completely. Just throwing this out there!
 
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I blame nothing on no one but Mike Hamilton. No, seriously. I don't. Because crap rolls uphill IMO. It's on his watch. He screwed up the Fulmer buyout/extension and he screwed up Lane's buyout.

Not that we aren't in a better position now than we were a year and a half ago...
 
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It's a double-edged sword. If kids committed to the school and not the coach, we wouldn't have BB, JJ and others suiting up for us next year. Just being honest.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
I blame nothing on no one but Mike Hamilton. No, seriously. I don't. Because crap rolls uphill IMO. It's on his watch. He screwed up the Fulmer buyout/extension and he screwed up Lane's buyout.

Not that we aren't in a better position now than we were a year and a half ago...
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WTF was Hamilton thinking with Kiffin's contract? Was X really in that high of demand that we couldn't at least make sure UT was compensated properly? Instead we get screwed and basically pay him to recruit and establish inroads for USC.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
I blame nothing on no one but Mike Hamilton. No, seriously. I don't. Because crap rolls uphill IMO. It's on his watch. He screwed up the Fulmer buyout/extension and he screwed up Lane's buyout.

Not that we aren't in a better position now than we were a year and a half ago...
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TBH I blame it on MHF.
 
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the kids who commit to a university or mainly in state kids or kids growing up bleeding orange and the talent in tennessee is just not sec type talent year in and year out so you have to have coaches who can come in and get the talent out of the state... look at the top 25 kids in tenn the last few years and this class their is one kid who is worthy of playing ball in the sec...
 
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This committing to a school is overstated and unrealistic, IMO. I know if I was one of these kids, who has offers from all over the country, if my coach left I would look around as well.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
I blame nothing on no one but Mike Hamilton. No, seriously. I don't. Because crap rolls uphill IMO. It's on his watch. He screwed up the Fulmer buyout/extension and he screwed up Lane's buyout.

Not that we aren't in a better position now than we were a year and a half ago...
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Blame goes round long before Hamilton became AD. AD is a figurehead in front of BOT that were enamored with the good ole boy Phildo who led us down this road. Without the politics involved for many years behind the scene with the BOT and Phildo to go along with an aging Doug Dickey that didn't want the fight before his retirement, THEN we wouldn't be here.
Hammy didn't have the equity or support of enough members of the BOT to remove the entrenched Phildo until he hit the Pearl homer. I give Hammy credit that he did get rid of that cancerous Phildo once he was able. The contracts have been a joke and Hammy should have had better oversight, BUT make no mistake, MH did not approve those contracts without the BOT signing off on them. If anything he needs to get out of bed with Sexton and hire better contract negotiators. He had no way of knowing Kiffin was going to do this to us - A perfect storm.
 
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