A&M beat us to it...

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SteveninTenn said:
I find it interesting everyone is ok with other schools firing their coaches. As soon as we start to exam if we should fire Dooley alot of people start "circling the wagons" and getting irritated and make up their list of excuses. I wonder if people at other schools have the same attachment issues? We've made Dooley a rich man we dont owe him anything.
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You don't ditch a coach when your in the hunt for a top 10 recruiting class.
 
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SteveninTenn said:
None of these former Saban assistants are any good. Jimbo is bad. Agaisnt Florida last week Florida St had more penalty yards than total offense with less than 2 minutes to go!! Florida St. was a big disappointment as they were picked 5th preseason. Muschamp is not only a bad coach he's a crazed wild man on the side line. Everyone was getting a win against Florida this year except us. Florida barely made a bowl game. Saban asst.
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Saban runs the show and all these "great" assistants he has have been taught by him a certain way, it's all part of his master plan. He knows they will get big time jobs because of "his" success so he trains them to be good position coaches and nothing more so he can pound them when he plays half them every year. Its just science.
 
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SteveninTenn said:
I find it interesting everyone is ok with other schools firing their coaches. As soon as we start to exam if we should fire Dooley alot of people start "circling the wagons" and getting irritated and make up their list of excuses. I wonder if people at other schools have the same attachment issues? We've made Dooley a rich man we dont owe him anything.
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Completely different circumstances. Sherman was given four years, and had a very talented, deep, senior laden team that vastly underperformed.
 
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When Saban arrived in East Lansing, Michigan prior to the 1995 season, MSU had not had a winning season since 1990, and the team was sanctioned by the NCAA for recruiting violations committed under his predecessor and former mentor, George Perles

1995–1997 – Beginning in 1995, Saban moderately improved MSU's fortunes, taking the Spartans to minor bowl games (all of which they lost by double-digit margins) in each of his first three seasons. From 1995 to 1997, Michigan State finished 6-5-1, 6-6, and 7-5. In comparison, MSU had finished 5–6, 6–6 and 5–6 (prior to NCAA forfeits) in 1992–1994.
1998 – On November 7, 1998, the Spartans upset the #1 ranked Ohio State 28–24 at Ohio Stadium. However, even after the upset and an early-season rout of then-highly-ranked Notre Dame the Spartans finished 6–6, including three last-minute losses featuring turnovers, defensive lapses, and special-teams misplays, and failed to earn a bowl invitation.
1999 – Saban led the Spartans to a 9–2 season that included wins over Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State. However, the two losses were routs at the hands of Purdue and Wisconsin. Following the final regular-season game against Penn State, Saban abruptly resigned to accept the head coaching position with LSU.

I know its like comparing apples to oranges but give Dooley a chance. Saban was just mediocre in his first 3 seasons at Michigan State so at the very least Dooley deserves another year or two to prove his mettle. I cant wait for all the "I am so stupid", "Cant make that comparison", "Are you even a real Vol Fan" comments to come out
 
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OsbourneBROS83 said:
When Saban arrived in East Lansing, Michigan prior to the 1995 season, MSU had not had a winning season since 1990, and the team was sanctioned by the NCAA for recruiting violations committed under his predecessor and former mentor, George Perles

1995–1997 – Beginning in 1995, Saban moderately improved MSU's fortunes, taking the Spartans to minor bowl games (all of which they lost by double-digit margins) in each of his first three seasons. From 1995 to 1997, Michigan State finished 6-5-1, 6-6, and 7-5. In comparison, MSU had finished 5–6, 6–6 and 5–6 (prior to NCAA forfeits) in 1992–1994.
1998 – On November 7, 1998, the Spartans upset the #1 ranked Ohio State 28–24 at Ohio Stadium. However, even after the upset and an early-season rout of then-highly-ranked Notre Dame the Spartans finished 6–6, including three last-minute losses featuring turnovers, defensive lapses, and special-teams misplays, and failed to earn a bowl invitation.
1999 – Saban led the Spartans to a 9–2 season that included wins over Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State. However, the two losses were routs at the hands of Purdue and Wisconsin. Following the final regular-season game against Penn State, Saban abruptly resigned to accept the head coaching position with LSU.

I know its like comparing apples to oranges but give Dooley a chance. Saban was just mediocre in his first 3 seasons at Michigan State so at the very least Dooley deserves another year or two to prove his mettle. I cant wait for all the "I am so stupid", "Cant make that comparison", "Are you even a real Vol Fan" comments to come out
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When did that happen to Dooley?
 
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A&M really doesn't have a choice here. Sherman would be even further in over his head in the SEC. They need a coach who can lead the transition.

Just my two cents.
 
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BigTXVolFan said:
Rumors abound Mike Sherman to be fired tomorrow. They realized what Hart and our administration need to. Coaches like Dooley and Sherman are in over there head in big time college football...

Word from my roommate who played at TAMU is the only way Sherman was being fired was if Smart was in the bag! We apparently ended up with the worst of Sabans disciples
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how do you know that? has smart ever coached a team before? willie sure done good with all that talent down in florida this year. kirbie may end up being a great hc, but you nor anyone else knows yet.
 
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zjcvols said:
When did that happen to Dooley?
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Point taken.

It didnt, but he did inherit Kiffin's mess. That is neither here nor there as I was more referring to Saban's record at MSU. Just saying I am sure that people might have thought Saban was not cut out for big time college football either, BUT he was given the cahnce to prove himself over the course of a few seasons. Dooley should get at least 3 to 4 seasons and then we can take an honest assessment then.

A lost of people are going to rebutt this with why wait, get rid of him now, but WHAT IF he turns out to be a Saban or Miles.
 
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OsbourneBROS83 said:
Point taken.

It didnt, but he did inherit Kiffin's mess. That is neither here nor there as I was more referring to Saban's record at MSU. Just saying I am sure that people might have thought Saban was not cut out for big time college football either, BUT he was given the cahnce to prove himself over the course of a few seasons. Dooley should get at least 3 to 4 seasons and then we can take an honest assessment then.

A lost of people are going to rebutt this with why wait, get rid of him now, but WHAT IF he turns out to be a Saban or Miles.
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He was doing a good job at MSU considering the circumstances. I have an aunt/uncle that went to MSU, and they loved what he was doing at MSU before the 9-2 season, which lead to their best season in 40 years.

And if Dooley was the next Saban, we would see something that says "Championship caliber coach right there"...and we haven't.
 
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If I was an Aggie, I would've been riding shotgun chasing Sherman out of College Station. That's the most talented 6-6 team ever. And with their big 12 schedule, they should've gone 10-2 this year.
 
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zjcvols said:
He was doing a good job at MSU considering the circumstances. I have an aunt/uncle that went to MSU, and they loved what he was doing at MSU before the 9-2 season, which lead to their best season in 40 years.

And if Dooley was the next Saban, we would see something that says "Championship caliber coach right there"...and we haven't.
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I was actually curious what MSU fans were saying back then. Did they want him gone? Did they love him? Its interesting.

I am definitely not saying that Dooley is ever going to be a Saban but we wont know if we give him the boot before he can even get a real start.
 
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SteveninTenn said:
I find it interesting everyone is ok with other schools firing their coaches. As soon as we start to examine if we should fire Dooley, alot of people start "circling the wagons",get irritated and make up their list of excuses. I wonder if people at other schools have the same attachment issues? We've made Dooley a rich man we dont owe him anything.
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If we are 6-6 next year most of will be fine with letting him go. Firing him now would be a huge mistake. It isn't about what is fair to Dooley, it is about what is good for the program.
 
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None of Saban's disciples will be as good as Saban, in fact all of them suck so far including Dooley.
 
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Wonder why A&M, or anybody else looking for a hfc, hasn't offered DD? He's on the hotseat and probably won't survive next season from the looks of things. If he's the great coach some believe him to be, I'm surprised that some other program hasn't tried to throw him a lifeline.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Wonder why A&M, or anybody else looking for a hfc, hasn't offered DD? He's on the hotseat and probably won't survive next season from the looks of things. If he's the great coach some believe him to be, I'm surprised that some other program hasn't tried to throw him a lifeline.
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No one knows if he's a great coach yet. That's the point. Just like no one knows how good or bad Muschamp, Smart, or any other Sabanite will be. Takes time, and that means more than two years (one of which started less than a month before NSD). Dooley was up front with UT when he came. He knew it was a mess and would take time. He's stated that it would get worse before it gets better. That's why he structured the contract the way he did. Does anyone really think it was a get rich scam and that he plans to retire or go back to law after running UT into the ground? He wants to improve the program. Whether he will or not remains to be seen.
 
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If I was an Aggie, I would've been riding shotgun chasing Sherman out of College Station. That's the most talented 6-6 team ever. And with their big 12 schedule, they should've gone 10-2 this year.
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A&M should be 11-1 now. Period. I like Sherman, but we need the kind of swagger we had when Sherrill coached the team. Sherman isn't that type of coach...and the second half collapses show he can't react against an opponents halftime adjustments.

A&M has the talent (even after picking up OU's and tu's leftovers), the facilities, and the fanbase ($$$) to be a perennial Top 20 team.

They need the coaching staff that will take them to the next level.
 
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Just messageboard rumors. Nothing has happened and perceivably won't in regards to the HC position at TAMU.

Move along.
 
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TXA&M07 said:
I'll rescind that last statement.
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lulz... sherman had good talent this year and should have done better... worried about recruiting for them now... i really have no reason to follow A&M anymore since they wont be playing Texas, loved it when they could muster a season ending victory..(obligatory bs personal foul call, and the holding no call on mccoys fg set up run) and also the fact that they will be playing in the SEC... after attending a bowl game, i developed alot of respect for A&M , their fans, and tradition.
 
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