A possible bad scenario with the NCAA

[temptn]

I think we should sue them for 100 million dollars. This gets back the 9 we gave them, and we claim damages to our athletic programs ability to recruit the best athletes because fo their threats of sanctions. Time to sanction the sanctioner out of business!

 

[CAVPUT]

Spyre said in their release statement that they made the NIL contract with Nico under Cal. law which allows this type of agreement with no ties to any university or the student athlete having to be enrolled in a particular school. Spyre did their homework here and was already ahead of the NCAA on this. Gonna be hard for the NCAA to challenge state laws and win.

Yep, but I honestly don't think this is anything other than a persecution. I don't think it was an accident that it was leaked. It was deliberate. Won't go thru it again since I've posted it a few other places, but just the threat or rumor is enough to have an negative impact. Until a notice of allegations comes down, we're back to living under that NCAA cloud. Won't be surprised if this all gets "resolved" just after the second transfer portal closes. Just a crappy system that allows an organization to hold a program up in public as being under threat for months or years on end.

 

[Vol865]

No way to know. Theoretically, we could play every game but no matter the score, we'd forfeit for using an "ineligible" player. Since it's a W for the opponent, why risk injury to play it? They could eliminate us from conference titles, bowls, playoffs, etc. We could have our cut of the TV money withheld. Recruiting would be nearly impossible. A coach with opportunities certainly would find smoother sailing somewhere else. All this is speculation on my part, but if it were so easy, someone would have tried it by now I suspect.

What I'm saying is, what's stopping us from still counting the wins and playing for a championship anyway? Is it just some imaginary red tape or would we or the bowl sponsor get sued for inviting us or something? I'm just trying to figure out what authority they actually have, especially if multiple states get involved.

 

[loggervol]

I believe it was already personal for some reason. DP got it right, you don’t praise a school and then go after them. Someone has a axe to grind with TN.

Why would they leak info about the investigation if they weren’t trying to cause UT harm? Why use a outlet that’s on the way out and a reporter that can’t stand TN?

 

[VOLINVONORE]

Not that I need to be walked off the ledge or anything, but I would value opinions here.

The scenario I'm dreading is this: The NCAA is not yet gone and most likely will remain in a revamped form after the smoke clears. The NCAA isn't used to the pushback that Tennessee just did and the NCAA may just take this personal. Why? Because we got out in front of this and did such a good job of setting the narrative. Of course the allegations haven't been formally presented, which is a sort of unknown, but I think the AD and crew already know most of what will hit them.

If the NCAA enforcement gets embarrassed by this whole thing, they might just make this personal. And the fact that we have "repeat offender" status if they hit us with anything, (even minor) that gives them more power to hammer us. And how can they hammer us that would work in the short term before the courts rule (and then an appeal)? That would would be a bowl ban. Not saying we can get into the playoffs, but what kind of blowback would happen if we actually were playoff bound and couldn't go on account of this? If they have an axe to grind, this would hurt. Let's hope the courts honor the restraining order portion of this lawsuit, as that should protect us from that. With a shot at getting into a 12 team playoff, I'd hate it for the NCAA to "Florida State" us in a vindictive way.

Personally, I've always wondered what the blowback would have been if Michigan got a bowl ban this last go around. Would it spark even more of a grassroots backlash that would fall in the category of "unintended consequences" for the NCAA and accelerate their downfall?

I think there is a 98% chance the NCAA is going to lose this and other law suits. I don’t think being embarrassed is the question. The question is, have they been negligent establishing rules which are prohibited by State laws and are they guilty of trying to make those rules retroactive to actions taken before those rules were established. There are records which show they are guilty of these actions They should be ashamed of there actions because those actions will likely cost them there ability to continue as their organization as it currently conducted.

Whit players now suing them, they are also likely to be paying players themselves.

 

[GulfCoasterVol]

The sports law attorney on WNML this morning said that if the NCAA is found culpable for anti-trust law violations the fine handed down would destroy them financially.

 

[CAVPUT]

What I'm saying is, what's stopping us from still counting the wins and playing for a championship anyway? Is it just some imaginary red tape or would we or the bowl sponsor get sued for inviting us or something? I'm just trying to figure out what authority they actually have, especially if multiple states get involved.

No idea how all that would play out, but it's not going to happen. Unless the NCAA has something nuclear up their sleeves(and I don't think they do), this won't make it to court IMO.They know they'd lose if it reaches that point. I really believe this is a persecution and a power play by the NCAA. I think they viewed us as an easy mark that would cave and a high profile trophy. Don't think they expected it to go this way when they leaked it to Forde. I think they'll try to drag it out just shy of a notice of allegations or a court date.....if UT will sit back and allow them to do that. Personally, I'd force the issue. I'd try to get this to a court room as quickly as I could. The longer this goes, the greater the potential impact on our recruiting and roster for the coming season.

 

[turbovol]

The natives are on the warpath! Who do the natives think should govern college football? Nobody?

The sense one gets from listening to people here--and in the state government--is this: We want our college football, and we don't care how absurd and chaotic and ungovernable it's gotten. I give the NCAA credit generally for trying to keep at least a semblance of amateurism in the sport that has essentially been taking over by money and stupidity. The NIL rules apparently are vague--that's a problem. It should have been outlawed from recruiting in the first place, but the big programs are all so crazy that they'll never sit quietly if they think their rival down the road is gaining some advantage on them. Hence player bidding. I prefer the old corruption to the new, frankly. The sport has become ripe for satire. Programs spending $100 million to fire one coach and hire another; wild-eyed fans taking money from their family piggy banks to help State U buy some supposed hotshot running back. Soon we'll see 3 conferences of 30 teams each--and won't that be fun--and a 48-team playoff that last 3 months.

 

[turbovol]

The sports law attorney on WNML this morning said that if the NCAA is found culpable for anti-trust law violations the fine handed down would destroy them financially.

The NCAA is a member organization--the schools collectively constitute the NCAA. It's not some evil empire on Mars. The sport needs governance, and if the NCAA doesn't do it, who will? Nobody? Market anarchy rules? Maybe....

 

[Vol865]

No idea how all that would play out, but it's not going to happen. Unless the NCAA has something nuclear up their sleeves(and I don't think they do), this won't make it to court IMO.They know they'd lose if it reaches that point. I really believe this is a persecution and a power play by the NCAA. I think they viewed us as an easy mark that would cave and a high profile trophy. Don't think they expected it to go this way when they leaked it to Forde. I think they'll try to drag it out just shy of a notice of allegations or a court date.....if UT will sit back and allow them to do that. Personally, I'd force the issue. I'd try to get this to a court room as quickly as I could. The longer this goes, the greater the potential impact on our recruiting and roster for the coming season.

I think they should file a defamation suit. Or at least threaten it.

 

[Putbacks]

….maybe something better will emerge….

 

[onevol74]

2 things that should put you at ease on your thoughts here.

1.) The CFP made it very clear they are a separate entity from the NCAA. The NCAA has no authority over the CFP....thisbwas made clear when there were questions of if Mich would get a post season ban.

2.) before our last punisbment was issued for the Pruitt fiasco, the Tennessee attorney general reminded the NCAA that Tennessee state law prohibits a post season ban because that directly effects the student athletes potential for NIL earnings which breaks federal anti trust law.

That may be what ticked them off and questioned their superiority.

 

[onevol74]

When the facts come out does anyone think that Nico might have a lawsuit against the NCAA? Where is Greg Issacs when you need him?

 

[utvolpj]

When the facts come out does anyone think that Nico might have a lawsuit against the NCAA? Where is Greg Issacs when you need him?

Think bigger. He has Tom Mars.

 

[wmcovol]

Being able to change the rules & retroactivity enforce them to situations at their discretion just seems completely “unAmerican”. Seems NCAA is desperately trying to recover from sitting on their dead ass ignoring the changing world.

Every major school has a collective and all are funded 100% by boosters as defined by the NCAA. All of these are involved in recruiting. Picking a couple of violators out to penalize, especially for violations that people didn’t know were violations when they occurred, is ********.

 

[loggervol]

The natives are on the warpath! Who do the natives think should govern college football? Nobody?

The sense one gets from listening to people here--and in the state government--is this: We want our college football, and we don't care how absurd and chaotic and ungovernable it's gotten. I give the NCAA credit generally for trying to keep at least a semblance of amateurism in the sport that has essentially been taking over by money and stupidity. The NIL rules apparently are vague--that's a problem. It should have been outlawed from recruiting in the first place, but the big programs are all so crazy that they'll never sit quietly if they think their rival down the road is gaining some advantage on them. Hence player bidding. I prefer the old corruption to the new, frankly. The sport has become ripe for satire. Programs spending $100 million to fire one coach and hire another; wild-eyed fans taking money from their family piggy banks to help State U buy some supposed hotshot running back. Soon we'll see 3 conferences of 30 teams each--and won't that be fun--and a 48-team playoff that last 3 months.

The NCAA is a member organization--the schools collectively constitute the NCAA. It's not some evil empire on Mars. The sport needs governance, and if the NCAA doesn't do it, who will? Nobody? Market anarchy rules? Maybe....

Do you have a GA YouTube channel?

 

[ptcarter]

No idea how all that would play out, but it's not going to happen. Unless the NCAA has something nuclear up their sleeves(and I don't think they do), this won't make it to court IMO.They know they'd lose if it reaches that point. I really believe this is a persecution and a power play by the NCAA. I think they viewed us as an easy mark that would cave and a high profile trophy. Don't think they expected it to go this way when they leaked it to Forde. I think they'll try to drag it out just shy of a notice of allegations or a court date.....if UT will sit back and allow them to do that. Personally, I'd force the issue. I'd try to get this to a court room as quickly as I could. The longer this goes, the greater the potential impact on our recruiting and roster for the coming season.

Yes, I think you summed this up nicely. NCAA: Tennessee sure is good at turning themselves in, they will roll over. Sounds like they have had teams of enforcement personnel spending extended amounts of time on many campus's looking for something to enforce. I give our administration credit, they saw this coming. Wonder how long the ink was dry on that lawsuit? I'll bet that's been in "in case of emergency break glass" mode. for quite a while. What a "pre-emptive strike" they did. That part was wonderful. How brilliant was it? Dunno, but most likely if you were cooperating with the investigation and it was going on as long as it has, probably pretty easy to see the what they up to. Like Danny White said were changing the rules to mold it to a predetermined outcome. Yes, that's bully tactics.

 

[Vol4gzus]

ANNOUNCEMENT: the sky is not falling! These threads which appear to be skewed toward what are we going to do are Debbie & Donnie Downer folks apparently. Plus the opening post is 3-4 long paragraphs. America is free so let it rip but warn it is long winded .

 

[DaddyChad]

Not that I need to be walked off the ledge or anything, but I would value opinions here.

The scenario I'm dreading is this: The NCAA is not yet gone and most likely will remain in a revamped form after the smoke clears. The NCAA isn't used to the pushback that Tennessee just did and the NCAA may just take this personal. Why? Because we got out in front of this and did such a good job of setting the narrative. Of course the allegations haven't been formally presented, which is a sort of unknown, but I think the AD and crew already know most of what will hit them.

If the NCAA enforcement gets embarrassed by this whole thing, they might just make this personal. And the fact that we have "repeat offender" status if they hit us with anything, (even minor) that gives them more power to hammer us. And how can they hammer us that would work in the short term before the courts rule (and then an appeal)? That would would be a bowl ban. Not saying we can get into the playoffs, but what kind of blowback would happen if we actually were playoff bound and couldn't go on account of this? If they have an axe to grind, this would hurt. Let's hope the courts honor the restraining order portion of this lawsuit, as that should protect us from that. With a shot at getting into a 12 team playoff, I'd hate it for the NCAA to "Florida State" us in a vindictive way.

Personally, I've always wondered what the blowback would have been if Michigan got a bowl ban this last go around. Would it spark even more of a grassroots backlash that would fall in the category of "unintended consequences" for the NCAA and accelerate their downfall?

NCAA won’t be around for much longer if the state wins their suit against them. Pretty much is a slam dunk since NCAA doesn’t have an antitrust exemption.

 

[volbound1700]

The NCAA is a member organization--the schools collectively constitute the NCAA. It's not some evil empire on Mars. The sport needs governance, and if the NCAA doesn't do it, who will? Nobody? Market anarchy rules? Maybe....

I agree with your sentiment but NCAA was corrupt in its governing and played favoritism investigating certain schools but not others, etc. Done with it. I would rather have wild west then a system that is selective enforced and empowers some of our rivals over us (specifically one).

 

[GulfCoasterVol]

The NCAA is a member organization--the schools collectively constitute the NCAA. It's not some evil empire on Mars. The sport needs governance, and if the NCAA doesn't do it, who will? Nobody? Market anarchy rules? Maybe....

Yes and the Attorney on WNML also said that the members make the rules and the members did not vote on the changes to the rules that the NCAA is trying to retroactively enforce.

I dont know.. i was not there for any of it...just repeating what the New York sports attorney said that represents some of the collectives. I was not accusing any one of being an evil empire on Mars or any other planet in the solar system including the earth. The sport has not had governance in a few years now. They call it the wild west for a reason.

JUST REPEATING WHAT I HEARD ON A RADIO SHOW

 

[VOLINVONORE]

NCAA won’t be around for much longer if the state wins their suit against them. Pretty much is a slam dunk since NCAA doesn’t have an antitrust exemption.

True, but some form/organization will be required to replace the NCAA. I am not sure exactly how the “ new “ organization would should be staffed, but I have concerns it the ruling body should be staffed by any University personnel

 

[volbound1700]

True, but some form/organization will be required to replace the NCAA. I am not sure exactly how the “ new “ organization would should be staffed, but I have concerns it the ruling body should be staffed by any University personnel

NCAA will survive. The NCAA infractions division may NOT survive. I think the day of NCAA having any say in recruiting or player compensation is about to be gone.

Now as to what body will eventually manage recruiting or NIL, they may come down to the Conferences (B1G and SEC being the premier ones).

Then again, I want to propose something, why regulate recruiting? Let's just open the door to its fullest. The issue with regulating recruiting is that teams will always try to cheat or go around the rules to get an advantage. That is not going to stop no matter who is regulating it.

 

[DaddyChad]

The sports law attorney on WNML this morning said that if the NCAA is found culpable for anti-trust law violations the fine handed down would destroy them financially.

It will. It pretty much would mean they’re incapable of policing anything as well. Conferences are soon going to have to police themselves is what this amounts to. NCAA is quick to point out what a mess it is but it’s a mess of their own incompetence.

 

[DaddyChad]

NCAA will survive. The NCAA infractions division may NOT survive. I think the day of NCAA having any say in recruiting or player compensation is about to be gone.

In what world do you see programs paying an organization to do nothing? An organization that has proven itself incompetent and corrupt time and again. Conferences will police themselves; they want tighter control on the money anyways. This is already being talked about. It’s just with Texas and OU joining here and the big ten having so many members joining as well that the particulars of that need to be worked out