A show of hands

#26
#26
GAMECOCK said:
Wow before your game with SC there were a lot of vol fans still in denial.....I believe you now see what Spurrier can do....SC will be a power in the SEC before coach Spurrier is done....Simply...one of the best ever to coach the game of college football. ENVY THAT.
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You know Gamecock I'm trying to see your viewpoint but I can't seem to see it your way. If a coach is in control of the program then everything will fall into place including player development and discipline. That is the primary role of the head coach, to pull the program together and see to it that all problems are addressed and resolved. I haven't seen that happen lately with the Vols. As for my coaching, yes I had winning and losing seasons, but I always tried to see the players develop their skills and emphasized discipline. As for Spurrier, I don't think you have been on this forum long enough to know that many of us have always respected Spurrier and his coaching abilities as LexVol has expressed. Get to know us better and you will see that we all have our opinions and they may even agree with some of yours.
 
#27
#27
GAMECOCK said:
Wow before your game with SC there were a lot of vol fans still in denial.....I believe you now see what Spurrier can do....SC will be a power in the SEC before coach Spurrier is done....Simply...one of the best ever to coach the game of college football. ENVY THAT.
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No UT fan will ever envy anything about South Carolina. Get over it. The bottom line is that South Carolina will never have as many SEC titles as Georgia Tech has.
 
#28
#28
indyvol15 said:
So I guess Justin Harell, Inky Johnson and Eric Ainge's injuries are Fulmers fault. Who do we go get????
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Inky and Justin were hurt in the second game of the season. I'm sick of everyone falling back on that excuse. the CURRENT starters have to get the job done.

And I do blame TCHFCATUTK for Ainge's injury, as well as Coker's.
 
#31
#31
indyvol15 said:
Who got this program back on the upside starting in 1990? Who was the coach that got us a NC for the 1st time in 47 years? So I guess I'm still missing your point.
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TCHFCATUTK took over in 93, and it's not like he took over a program that was in decline. Coach Majors won back to back SEC championships in 90 and 91.
 
#33
#33
VolunteerHillbilly said:
Fulmer should've been canned last year and everyone with a lick of football sense knows it. He allowed the program to rot from the inside out. UT now needs a dynamic head coach who can inspire his players and assistants as well as the fans and recruiting prospects. The severe lack of depth clearly illustrates poor player development. That cannot be tolerated any longer. The idea that UT can recruit the best and let 'em use their physical ability to out play better coached competition is not going to work any more.
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I couldn't say it more clearly myself:good!: .
 
#36
#36
Big Vol Nasty said:
Hey indyvol I posted this like 4 days ago in responce to some guy siimilar to you was telling us all how to act and ratiionalizing everything and clapping with his head set under his arm....any way here it is... you really need to read it
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There isn't anyone on here thats 100% pessimistic.

Everyone here (besides opposing fans) has the same goal. To see their Vols win.

People act differently to that. Like after the LSU loss some say "Hey they were a better team, it's not that bad we lost" while others say "The chance was there to win, and here's where we lost it"

You have your fans that are just happy if Tennessee shows up on Saturday and play for their entertainment then you have the ones that want Tennessee to rip the head off of anyone the even steps on the field with them, even if they are a better team.

Then you have your ones that will rationalize a loss, then the ones that will maybe jump at conclusions and blame everyone on the team even the water boys for the loss.

If everyone in this place came in here after LSU and we had a big "Moral Victory" lovefest just because we went 5-6 last year. Then I wouldn't come here.

We lost because there are things in either our talent, coaching, scheme, etc.... that wasn't as good as the other teams. Just because people come here and point them out doesn't make them pessimistic, it makes them fans.

Me personally I'll come here and point things out, I will do my fair share of moaning about things, but It doesn't mean I'm pessimistic or see the reality that we are a good team and should be very proud this year. I don't think anyone here is ashamed of Tennessee this year. Is there some that think we should be 9-0, Hell Yes and I'm one of them, am I mad we're not, No. Will I point of why we're not 9-0, you better friggin believe it.

Everyone's heard the saying that if everyone was the same this world would be boring, same thing applies here. If people quit "whinning" or questioning things about a team that were so dedicated to that we come here and talk to people we don't even know about then it would be boring. If there's one thing I hate it's a big lovefest in a thread where there are 50 people agreeing on a subject.
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Point was people are acting like it is a 5-6 year again. I have always defended this board and 3 really good friends of mine and huge Vol fans wont even come back because of the rampant stupidity that seems to flow from a few. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But some need to think before they drink and type. And dont ever question my validity as a vol fan, I wonder how many here made it a point to wear a Tennessee for the birth of their child just so the first color they would enter the world seeing was orange.
 
#37
#37
Amen to that! We need to be careful how negative we are on this board. Let's show that we are truly Volunteers with orange blood!
 
#38
#38
blackmon said:
I for one am not one who thinks we should be undefeated. You just can't reverse a half decade (at least) of decline in one season. I am an engineer. I expect to do fault and failure anlysis. It does not mean I am fickle, fair weather, or a complainer. It means I expect performance for $2 million a year--as would any business partcipant. And make no mistake--college athletics are a business in large part.

It also means that I get tired of hearing the same old excuses, blame-shifting and recrimination--especially from those on here who claim that to be an old timer means you should appreciate a trip to any bowl game.

Fulmer himself said those expectations were inadequate for a TN fan--so by your favorite coach, YOU are not the true TN fan, not me. He said he expects to COMPETE (not WIN) for championships every year.

It has been quite some time since TN was seriously competitive for an SEC championship--just making the title game to lay an egg does not count.....look up the word compete....it does not mean "scheduled."

I have been and will be a TN fan until I die. I was there for the many peach bowl trips where we were all grateful to just have a winning season and a bowl win.

Those days are over. Fulmer himself established that personal standard. He has consistently not met that standard.

It is time for accountability to set it.
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Did,nt say he was MY favorite coach and we should compete every year. That said, my point was after a 5-6 year last year I can see a world of difference in a lot of areas. A few games ago people here were riding high and talking of a BCS bowl if not the possibility of a NC. I was not one of them, because after last year, it takes time to right the ship.
 
#42
#42
Do you think a new head coach is going to bring in a better OC/QB coach then Cutcliffe and a better DC/LB coach then Chavis? Are LB's and the QB not the strength of this team?

Brooks is a very qualified DL coach. UT was no.2 in rushing defense last season, but we should ignore that and fire him because they aren't good this year? Hasn't Trooper shown a lot of improvement in the WR's this year?
 
#43
#43
oklavol said:
Do you think a new head coach is going to bring in a better OC/QB coach then Cutcliffe and a better DC/LB coach then Chavis? Ae LB's and the QB not the strength of this team?

Brooks is a very qualified DL coach. UT was no.2 in rushing defense last season, but we should ignore that and fire him because they aren't good this year? Hasn't Trooper shown a lot of improvement in the WR's this year?
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Give it up OKLAVOL your words are falling on deaf (trying to be nice) ears. As you can see most on here would bitch if they got hung with a new rope.
 
#44
#44
indyvol15 said:
Give it up OKLAVOL your words are falling on deaf (trying to be nice) ears. As you can see most on here would bitch if they got hung with a new rope.
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Typical Fulmerite distortion. I have heard very few people calling for changes on the defensive staff. To defend TCHFCATUTK, they try to act as if criticism of him is an attack on everyone. It's transparent and pathetic.
 
#45
#45
hatvol96 said:
Typical Fulmerite distortion. I have heard very few people calling for changes on the defensive staff. To defend TCHFCATUTK, they try to act as if criticism of him is an attack on everyone. It's transparent and pathetic.
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So tell me then genius,what were your expectations for this year?
 
#46
#46
indyvol15 said:
So tell me then genius,what were your expectations for this year?
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Same as they are every year, to contend for an SEC title. I didn't let the disgrace the coaching staff perpetrated last season dumb down my expectations. It's obvious a good portion of our fan base did. Those are the folks who richly deserve a lifetime of Chick Fil A/Independence/Music City Bowl bids.
 
#47
#47
hatvol96 said:
I didn't let the disgrace the coaching staff perpetrated last season dumb down my expectations.
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Agreed, but I know for a fact that you are astute enough to realize how fine a line there is between a team like Florida (9-1) and a team like South Carolina (5-5).

Obviously, the Arkansas beatdown is inexcusable and should sound alarm bells for any objective viewer . . . but there's also a fine line between legitimate concern and opportunistic bashing.
 
#48
#48
GAVol said:
Agreed, but I know for a fact that you are astute enough to realize how fine a line there is between a team like Florida (9-1) and a team like South Carolina (5-5).

Obviously, the Arkansas beatdown is inexcusable and should sound alarm bells for any objective viewer . . . but there's also a fine line between legitimate concern and opportunistic bashing.
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South Carolina was in the game most of the way. We didn't exactly rout a terrible Alabama team. A defensive stand was required to defeat a putrid Air Force team. I think that warrants "legitimate concern."
 
#49
#49
Of course it does. My point though is that there's good chance that in two weeks we are going to have the same record as LSU, possibly Auburn and better than Georgia. Yes, I'm disappointed in the Arkansas beatdown . . . but welcome to life in the SEC. It's not lowered expectations, it's recognition of reality in a world of parity and 85 scholarships where a team can win the SEC one year and lose 4 or 5 the next.

Now with that being said, IMO in light of the close calls and last year, if we lose one of the next two, we've got to seriously look ourselves in the mirror and question where we are.
 
#50
#50
GAVol said:
Of course it does. My point though is that there's good chance that in two weeks we are going to have the same record as LSU, possibly Auburn and better than Georgia. Yes, I'm disappointed in the Arkansas beatdown . . . but welcome to life in the SEC. It's not lowered expectations, it's recognition of reality in a world of parity and 85 scholarships where a team can win the SEC one year and lose 4 or 5 the next.

Now with that being said, IMO in light of the close calls and last year, if we lose one of the next two, we've got to seriously look ourselves in the mirror and question where we are.
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GA, let's be serious. We played LSU. They turned the ball over 4 times, allowed two 30+ yard touchdown passes, and still won the game in our stadium. They would beat us by three touchdowns on a neutral field. Also, the three teams you mentioned have won the last three SEC titles. I believe it's been considerably longer between drinks from the championship chalice for UT.
 
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