A simple test to narrow the list of coaching candidates

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There is no true formula to finding a successful head coach, but a look at the last 25 years worth of National Champions reveals that successful head coaches invariably come from one of two backgrounds:

1. Success prior as a head coach (defined as at least 2 seasons of 9 wins or more on the college or professional level).

2. (more rare) Top assistant, usually from a national championship team, going directly to the program they lead to a national championship.

Only Gene Stallings and Gene Chizik, the Alabama duo, defy this de minimus 9 win test since we are looking at post Jimmy Johnson football. Obviously we do not want to hire a Chizik, and I have no idea where the aberration of Gene Stallings comes from.

The 9 win test eliminates Fedora, Strong, Franklin, Golden, and a host of other names. The 9 win test also applies in this year's national championship however it plays out.

After applying that standard, then ask the questions of recruiting, fit, personality, etc., and narrow the list.

If the goal is not a national championship, then everyone should be happy to welcome Al Golden or Charlie Strong into the fold.

Discuss.
 
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What about offering Chavis? UT alum, gotta be better than Sal's Swiss Cheese Defense, would be a good choice to keep all the coaches were hoping dont leave, Jay G, Pittman, Hinshaw and in some aspects Cheney
 
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BurnieVeazey said:
There is no true formula to finding a successful head coach, but a look at the last 25 years worth of National Champions reveals that successful head coaches invariably come from one of two backgrounds:

1. Success prior as a head coach (defined as at least 2 seasons of 9 wins or more on the college or professional level).

2. (more rare) Top assistant, usually from a national championship team.

Only Gene Stallings and Gene Chizik, the Alabama duo, defy this de minimus 9 win test since we are looking at post Jimmy Johnson football. Obviously we do not want to hire a Chizik, and I have no idea where the aberration of Gene Stallings comes from.

The 9 win test eliminates Fedora, Strong, Franklin, Golden, and a host of other names. The 9 win test also applies in this year's national championship however it plays out.

After applying that standard, then ask the questions of recruiting, fit, personality, etc., and narrow the list.

If the goal is not a national championship, then everyone should be happy to welcome Al Golden or Charlie Strong into the fold.

Discuss.
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I'm gonna get bashed again, as usual, for mentioning this but,

Bobby Petrino won 10 and 11 his last two years at Arkansas, in the SEC.
 
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BurnieVeazey said:
There is no true formula to finding a successful head coach, but a look at the last 25 years worth of National Champions reveals that successful head coaches invariably come from one of two backgrounds:

1. Success prior as a head coach (defined as at least 2 seasons of 9 wins or more on the college or professional level).

2. (more rare) Top assistant, usually from a national championship team.

Only Gene Stallings and Gene Chizik, the Alabama duo, defy this de minimus 9 win test since we are looking at post Jimmy Johnson football. Obviously we do not want to hire a Chizik, and I have no idea where the aberration of Gene Stallings comes from.

The 9 win test eliminates Fedora, Strong, Franklin, Golden, and a host of other names. The 9 win test also applies in this year's national championship however it plays out.

After applying that standard, then ask the questions of recruiting, fit, personality, etc., and narrow the list.

If the goal is not a national championship, then everyone should be happy to welcome Al Golden or Charlie Strong into the fold.

Discuss.
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Thank you for your insight. Absolutely spot on. But haven't you heard in these threads; hart doesn't give a damn what anyone thinks.
 
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chumleypm said:
I'm gonna get bashed again, as usual, for mentioning this but,

Bobby Petrino won 10 and 11 his last two years at Arkansas, in the SEC.
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May be too late to get Petrino because Auburn may swoop in and snatch him up first. I understand people's concerns with the guy, but there's no doubt he would win here. For how long before he burned us? Who knows.

With Gruden off the table, Petrino looking unlikely because of Auburn's interest and Stong being so adamant he's staying at Louisville, it looks like we'll be stuck hiring an un(der)qualified coach AGAIN.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
May be too late to get Petrino because Auburn may swoop in and snatch him up first. I understand people's concerns with the guy, but there's no doubt he would win here. For how long before he burned us? Who knows.

With Gruden off the table, Petrino looking unlikely because of Auburn's interest and Stong being so adamant he's staying at Louisville, it looks like we'll be stuck hiring an un(der)qualified coach AGAIN.
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We are going to have a 2* diamond in the rough coach with 2* diamond in the rough recruits. A match made in he!! by bama dave.
 
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Yep Petrino, Patterson, and Fisher all pass the minimum test.

Here is the post Fulmer coaching search thread with names. With the benefit of hindsight, it would eliminate Kiffen and Tim Brewster from consideration, and if you count out Gruden and Cowher as not going anywhere, you would have the following names:

Mike Leach
Butch Davis
Muschamp
Peterson
Patterson
Brian Kelly

Obviously Leach is a no go, but if you just randomly picked a name out of a hat with those six names back in 2008, I think this football program would have a much better chance to be relevant today. I know, not a difficult assumption....
 
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BurnieVeazey said:
Yep Petrino, Patterson, and Fisher all pass the minimum test.

Here is the post Fulmer coaching search thread with names. With the benefit of hindsight, it would eliminate Kiffen and Tim Brewster from consideration, and if you count out Gruden and Cowher as not going anywhere, you would have the following names:

Mike Leach
Butch Davis
Muschamp
Peterson
Patterson
Brian Kelly

Obviously Leach is a no go, but if you just randomly picked a name out of a hat with those six names back in 2008, I think this football program would have a much better chance to be relevant today. I know, not a difficult assumption....
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Agree, except I liked Leach. I don't know what happened (for real) down at Texas Tech.. but I still like him as a coach. I'd love to hear him exchange a few barbs with Spurrior. YMMV
 
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k-town_king said:
Strong fits number 2 and has team going to a BCS bowl three years after 4-8.
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Assistants mentioned in #2 all went directly to head coaching job where they won the National Championship:

Stoops
Osborne
Paterno
Lloyd Carr
Fulmer
Coker
Bill McCartney
Mike Gundy, Patterson, Peterson, Whittingham (all won some random NC from some random sports news service)

None of these guys took a detour.

In efforts to look over all the pre BCS champs (including the myriad mythical national champs, well over 500 in 25 years (NYT, AP, Sporting News, et al), I noticed Don James is in the Alabama duo category. Sorry I missed him before, as he only had one 9 win season prior to Washington.
 
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BurnieVeazey said:
There is no true formula to finding a successful head coach, but a look at the last 25 years worth of National Champions reveals that successful head coaches invariably come from one of two backgrounds:

1. Success prior as a head coach (defined as at least 2 seasons of 9 wins or more on the college or professional level).

2. (more rare) Top assistant, usually from a national championship team, going directly to the program they lead to a national championship.

Only Gene Stallings and Gene Chizik, the Alabama duo, defy this de minimus 9 win test since we are looking at post Jimmy Johnson football. Obviously we do not want to hire a Chizik, and I have no idea where the aberration of Gene Stallings comes from.

The 9 win test eliminates Fedora, Strong, Franklin, Golden, and a host of other names. The 9 win test also applies in this year's national championship however it plays out.

After applying that standard, then ask the questions of recruiting, fit, personality, etc., and narrow the list.

If the goal is not a national championship, then everyone should be happy to welcome Al Golden or Charlie Strong into the fold.

Discuss.
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Strong can get us to the top if given the chance, Golden no way but say yes to STRONG.:good!:
 
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BurnieVeazey said:
There is no true formula to finding a successful head coach, but a look at the last 25 years worth of National Champions reveals that successful head coaches invariably come from one of two backgrounds:

1. Success prior as a head coach (defined as at least 2 seasons of 9 wins or more on the college or professional level).

2. (more rare) Top assistant, usually from a national championship team.

Only Gene Stallings and Gene Chizik, the Alabama duo, defy this de minimus 9 win test since we are looking at post Jimmy Johnson football. Obviously we do not want to hire a Chizik, and I have no idea where the aberration of Gene Stallings comes from.

The 9 win test eliminates Fedora, Strong, Franklin, Golden, and a host of other names. The 9 win test also applies in this year's national championship however it plays out.

After applying that standard, then ask the questions of recruiting, fit, personality, etc., and narrow the list.

If the goal is not a national championship, then everyone should be happy to welcome Al Golden or Charlie Strong into the fold.

Discuss.
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Bronco Mendenhall.
Overall 73–29
Bowls 5–2
5 seasons with 10+ wins
Finished 4 of 8 seasons in top 25
Bowl wins over:
Oregon
Oregon State
UCLA
UTEP
Tulsa
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
May be too late to get Petrino because Auburn may swoop in and snatch him up first. I understand people's concerns with the guy, but there's no doubt he would win here. For how long before he burned us? Who knows.

With Gruden off the table, Petrino looking unlikely because of Auburn's interest and Stong being so adamant he's staying at Louisville, it looks like we'll be stuck hiring an un(der)qualified coach AGAIN.
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Gruden was never on the table to begin with, we vol nation put him on the table, we still can get a top college coach, a proven winner not OC or DC.:search:
 
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samiam9110 said:
What about offering Chavis? UT alum, gotta be better than Sal's Swiss Cheese Defense, would be a good choice to keep all the coaches were hoping dont leave, Jay G, Pittman, Hinshaw and in some aspects Cheney
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That's an insult to Swiss cheese. Hater!
 
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jdogvol said:
Bronco Mendenhall.
Overall 73–29
Bowls 5–2
5 seasons with 10+ wins
Finished 4 of 8 seasons in top 25
Bowl wins over:
Oregon
Oregon State
UCLA
UTEP
Tulsa
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Ive always liked him. I could get behind that hire. His agent must not push him in the pot for every job out there like some of these other guys.

Allegedly he would "never" leave BYU (he is a Mormon). Only makes barely a million bucks a year.
 
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samiam9110 said:
What about offering Chavis? UT alum, gotta be better than Sal's Swiss Cheese Defense, would be a good choice to keep all the coaches were hoping dont leave, Jay G, Pittman, Hinshaw and in some aspects Cheney
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I just have never thought Chavis had the personality to pull off being the HC. Having met him, I thought he was underwhelming.
 
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Just go ahead and get it done. I know it will be a train wreck whatever he does, so just do it and put us out of our misery. And dave for doing such a good job, roll tide.
 
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