A Time for Choosing

[FortSanders]

We are headed to a choice... freedom or tyranny.

"The Founding Fathers knew a government can't control the economy without controlling people. And they knew when a government sets out to do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose. So we have come to a time for choosing....

"You and I are told we must choose between a left or right, but I suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There is only an up or down. Up to man's age-old dream – the maximum of individual freedom consistent with law and order – or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism"

Ronald Reagan, October 1964

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[BigOrangeTrain]

Are we truly a free people? I mean in all honesty what can we do without some sort of permission? Almost nothing. Hell it’s getting to the point that even saying certain things is punishable.

Here is the choice. A or B. Two sides of the same coin. The government doesn’t care. Our glorious politicians are nothing more than walking talking garbage piles. Doesn’t matter who you vote for. As long as the two party system exists, we will always be tutored more towards tyranny.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

I don’t like our choices, but the whole one side is evil and the other the force of good is absurd.

 

[tvolsfan]

We are headed to a choice... freedom or tyranny.

Then it’s probably a good time to vote against anybody who denies election results he doesn’t like.

 

[utvolpj]

Let me know when there's a pro-freedom candidate and not just a different tyranny than the other guy

 

[FortSanders]

We as a nation are losing our individual freedoms. The road to serfdom is paved with good intentions by those who claim they want to help. In the end, we are being enslaved with our freedoms sacrificed on the alter of those good intentions.

 

[McDad]

Let me know when there's a pro-freedom candidate and not just a different tyranny than the other guy

I'm dealing with enhanced political cynicism this morning. Which brings to me this question...even if we had a perfect pro-freedom candidate, how much could they accomplish in 4 to 8 years? The other branches are all neck-deep in the mud and that doesn't change in 4 - 8 years. The 30+ Trillion in debt isnt resolved in that time either.

How many consecutive pro freedom presidents would we need to correct and sustain?

 

[McDad]

We as a nation are losing our individual freedoms. The road to serfdom is paved with good intentions by those who claim they want to help. In the end, we are being enslaved with our freedoms sacrificed on the alter of those good intentions.

What individual freedom do you feel I have lost under Biden?

 

[utvolpj]

I'm dealing with enhanced political cynicism this morning. Which brings to me this question...even if we had a perfect pro-freedom candidate, how much could they accomplish in 4 to 8 years? The other branches are all neck-deep in the mud and that doesn't change in 4 - 8 years. The 30+ Trillion in debt isnt resolved in that time either.

How many consecutive pro freedom presidents would we need to correct and sustain?

First we need someone to push back and not rubber stamp. Truly attack the issues inside our govt which is hard given the amount of money they're all making

I think if you put someone like Ron Paul in for 8yrs you could at least start to turn the ship

 

[McDad]

First we need someone to push back and not rubber stamp. Truly attack the issues inside our govt which is hard given the amount of money they're all making

I think if you put someone like Ron Paul in for 8yrs you could at least start to turn the ship

I'm not as optimistic. Maybe he could slow it down as we prepare for a turn.

Ron Paul is simply unelectable. The majority (people unlike us) have no interest in RP or anyone like him. Perhaps they will some day. But the 3rd party option peaked in 1992 and has not come close in vote totals since.

So, if an RP-type can slow us or turn us, we're still faced with the next 2 dozen RP-type replacements appealing to the majority. Daunting task.

 

[0nelilreb]

First we need someone to push back and not rubber stamp. Truly attack the issues inside our govt which is hard given the amount of money they're all making

I think if you put someone like Ron Paul in for 8yrs you could at least start to turn the ship

I honestly think the machine would turn on him just as hard as it did Trump but in a different way . I don’t believe he would be able to get anything done without an EO and it would be a knock down drag out with both parties and all the lobbyists

 

[norrislakevol]

First we need someone to push back and not rubber stamp. Truly attack the issues inside our govt which is hard given the amount of money they're all making

I think if you put someone like Ron Paul in for 8yrs you could at least start to turn the ship

Yes. You must have a candidate or party that is willing to begin to truly shrink the size and power of the federal government, and cut entitlements. That will also make the government cheaper....much cheaper. However, that would come with a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth since there would be a lot of cushy government jobs going away.

 

[midnight orange]

We as a nation are losing our individual freedoms. The road to serfdom is paved with good intentions by those who claim they want to help. In the end, we are being enslaved with our freedoms sacrificed on the alter of those good intentions.

The “good intentions” myth needs to die.

 

[Vol737]

I don’t like our choices, but the whole one side is evil and the other the force of good is absurd.

It’s down to the individual as to which s**t sandwich tastes less terrible to them. Great choices.

 

[kiddiedoc]

It’s down to the individual as to which s**t sandwich tastes less terrible to them. Great choices.

I'll take the one that doesn't want to take my Constitutional rights away and wasn't in favor of locking me up in a "designated area" a couple of years ago.

 

[Jxn Vol]

Let’s start with a guy that can find his way off a stage and doesn’t chit his pants.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Choosing between the current lousy two party offerings?

 

[FortSanders]

What individual freedom do you feel I have lost under Biden?

Your freedom to purchase and own a gas powered car has been taken away. The Biden Administration passed a rule requiring that tailpipe configurations must substantially reduce carbon emissions. This will result in 69% of all new vehicle sales being EVs by 2032. They are looking to completely remove gas powered vehicles.

The Biden administration announced new automobile emissions standards... that officials called the most ambitious plan ever to cut planet-warming emissions from passenger vehicles.

The EPA said that under its final rule, the industry could meet the limits if 56% of new vehicle sales are electric by 2032, along with at least 13% plug-in hybrids or other partially electric cars...

That would be a huge increase over current EV sales, which rose to 7.6% of new vehicle sales last year, up from 5.8% in 2022.

EPA issues new auto rules aimed at cutting carbon emissions, boosting electric vehicles and hybrids

The Biden administration has announced new automobile emissions standards that officials call the most ambitious plan ever to cut planet-warming emissions from passenger vehicles.

apnews.com

 

[McDad]

What about your freedom to purchase and own a gas powered car?

I can go to any number of new car dealers, used lots, and private sellers and purchase as many as I can afford before the sun sets.

 

[Carl Pickens]

I don’t like our choices, but the whole one side is evil and the other the force of good is absurd.

I agree, but I think you’ll admit that more of us on the right are more likely to disparage a R than the waterboys on the left are a D

 

[FortSanders]

What individual freedom do you feel I have lost under Biden?

How about your freedom to have electricity generated from fossil fuels or nuclear power? The Biden Administration is pushing to force utilities to depend on renewable energy. The more we rely on renewable energy, the less energy we will have. Biden's push for total dependence on renewable enery will be disastrous.

"In those jurisdictions that have succeeded in getting generation from renewables up to as high as about 30% of their total electricity supply, the result has been an approximate tripling in the price of electricity for their consumers....

"The cost of such batteries sufficient to power a jurisdiction of millions of people is enormous, and quickly comes to be the dominant cost of the system. Relatively simple calculations of the cost of batteries sufficient to get through a year for a modern industrialized area show that this cost would imply an increase in the price of electricity by a factor of some 15 or 20, or perhaps even more.

The burden of such increasing prices for electricity would fall most heavily on poor and low-income people."

The Disastrous Economics Of Trying To Power An Electrical Grid With 100% Intermittent Renewables — Manhattan Contrarian

www.manhattancontrarian.com

 

[FortSanders]

I can go to any number of new car dealers, used lots, and private sellers and purchase as many as I can afford before the sun sets.

They are phasing in the requirement to sell only EVs and Hybrids, as we speak. According to the article I cited, 69% of all new cards will be electric by 2032. In fact, the Chicoms are building a huge manufacturing complex in Mexico, intending to flood the market with cheap electric vehicles. To be in compliance with this rule, GM is planning to sell only EVs by 2035.

GM CEO says commitment to all-electric fleet remains firm despite industry-wide sales slowdown

In an interview with NBC News, Mary Barra laid out why the company has no plans to change its roadmap.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[McDad]

How about your freedom to have electricity generated from fossil fuels or nuclear power? The Biden Administration is pushing to force utilities to depend on renewable energy. The more we rely on renewable energy, the less energy we will have. Biden's push for total dependence on renewable enery will be disastrous.

"In those jurisdictions that have succeeded in getting generation from renewables up to as high as about 30% of their total electricity supply, the result has been an approximate tripling in the price of electricity for their consumers....

"The cost of such batteries sufficient to power a jurisdiction of millions of people is enormous, and quickly comes to be the dominant cost of the system. Relatively simple calculations of the cost of batteries sufficient to get through a year for a modern industrialized area show that this cost would imply an increase in the price of electricity by a factor of some 15 or 20, or perhaps even more.

The burden of such increasing prices for electricity would fall most heavily on poor and low-income people."

The Disastrous Economics Of Trying To Power An Electrical Grid With 100% Intermittent Renewables — Manhattan Contrarian

www.manhattancontrarian.com

They are phasing in the requirement to sell only EVs and Hybrids, as we speak. The Chicoms are building a huge manufacturing complex in Mexico, intending to flood the market with cheap electric vehicles.

We may be losing those freedoms. But those aren't guaranteed in our Constitution. And even though I oppose those proposals, I haven't lost those freedoms yet.

 

[LouderVol]

How about your freedom to have electricity generated from fossil fuels or nuclear power? The Biden Administration is pushing to force utilities to depend on renewable energy. The more we rely on renewable energy, the less energy we will have. Biden's push for total dependence on renewable enery will be disastrous.

"In those jurisdictions that have succeeded in getting generation from renewables up to as high as about 30% of their total electricity supply, the result has been an approximate tripling in the price of electricity for their consumers....

"The cost of such batteries sufficient to power a jurisdiction of millions of people is enormous, and quickly comes to be the dominant cost of the system. Relatively simple calculations of the cost of batteries sufficient to get through a year for a modern industrialized area show that this cost would imply an increase in the price of electricity by a factor of some 15 or 20, or perhaps even more.

The burden of such increasing prices for electricity would fall most heavily on poor and low-income people."

The Disastrous Economics Of Trying To Power An Electrical Grid With 100% Intermittent Renewables — Manhattan Contrarian

www.manhattancontrarian.com

I dont think we have ever had the freedom of where/what generates our power. In fact I am pretty sure we have always had to pay a third party, so quiet literally it isnt free.

And previously if one wished a non-FF or nuclear option they didnt have that. So in this weird world of power generation "freedom" you faced the same but opposite restrictions previously.

And AFAIK you are still free to move wherever your chosen power source is used.

There must be something in the water, more of the absolute freedom arguements are surfacing.

 

[dalton_vol]

I don’t like our choices, but the whole one side is evil and the other the force of good is absurd.

One side is evil, the other side is passive partners. They turn a blind eye, they can't stand up against the evil