A what if scenario

#26
#26
So it sounds like some of you think it's perfectly fine to lie and cheat to get an advantage.. This is what is wrong with society now. Idiots like that.
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#28
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VolsFan4Ever-11 said:
So it sounds like some of you think it's perfectly fine to lie and cheat to get an advantage.. This is what is wrong with society now. Idiots like that.
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Show me where it says this. I must have overlooked it. Just because something is in the norm of collegiate athletics doesnt make it automatically right. No one ever said it was the right thing to do. Get a grip. :cray:
 
#29
#29
Gator H8R said:
Show me where it says this. I must have overlooked it. Just because something is in the norm of collegiate athletics doesnt make it automatically right. No one ever said it was the right thing to do. Get a grip. :cray:[/QU.. Maybe you should look again. You said +1,000,000 on the post to about lying, cheating on your wife, gf, the government lying, and other things. so yeah it sounds like you think its fine.
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#32
#32
Let me get a grip on this...Kiffen is a dirty, rotten, lying scoundrel....but on the other hand, Coach Pearl is "just doing what every other Coach does"............
 
#33
#33
I don't follow the logic that if the NCAA hits us hard, Pearl should go. He did what he did, regardless of whether we end up being made an example of or if we're let off easy. The man should be judged by his actions, not the decisions / punishments levied by the NCAA.

The question is if Bruce Pearl's conduct and transgressions are acceptable or forgivable by the University of Tennessee, its alums, students, and fans. If the answer is no, he should leave....NCAA ruling be damn@d.
 
#34
#34
Gator H8R said:
Negative. Did Calipari get fired? No. Did Jim Calhoun get fired? No. I could go on and on.
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Different crimes get different punishments. Neither of those two were given the punishment that most think, based on 'AA precedent, Pearl will get.
 
#37
#37
The_Orange_Pearl said:
Hopefully the people crucifying Pearl aren't same ones that have been defending Vick. Would be backwards as ****.

The government lies to you regularly. Your dad probably cheated on your mom at some point. You've probably dated a girl that's cheated on you. You've probably dated a girl you've cheated on. Probably cheated on tests. And so on.

Lying and cheating is a way of life and It's how this great nation has been built. I mean seriously... Bill Clinton is the best president of my lifetime and he's done all of those things. Cheated on his wife, fudged numbers and had banks give loans to people that could never afford to pay it back.

Oooooh Amerrrrica, my home and native land!

People can attack Pearl all they want. He's no different than any other American though.

For what it's worth... Tennessee's career postseason record is 16-19. Burce Pearl accounts for half of this wins(8-5) and it only took him 5 years.

I'm ready to push him out the door though. I enjoyed making the postseason 4 times in the past 15 seasons prior to his arrival. Making the tournament 6 times in 6 seasons is stupid. No thanks!
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Justify however you may, but your Braveheart cry doesn't mean people have to make Pearl out to be a victim. There are plenty of good people out there. Bruce Pearl is not one of them.
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#38
#38
I haven't decided either way. I just know that I don't like what I read in the NOA.

One thing I believe is this. To say that CBP lied once and got caught is looking at things through orange colored glases. If he was doing what is outlined in the NOA then IMHO what is closer to the truth is that these are only the things that he ended up getting caught at.

There seems to be a pattern here, and I can't say that hiding behind "They all do it" makes me feel any better about my University and it's athletics program.
 
#39
#39
VolsFan4Ever-11 said:
So it sounds like some of you think it's perfectly fine to lie and cheat to get an advantage.. This is what is wrong with society now. Idiots like that.
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If you are so outraged at cheating go picket congress.
They have been running the biggest ponzi scheme in the
history of mankind. Kind of makes Madoff look like a piker
doesn't it.
 
#40
#40
UT1794 said:
I don't follow the logic that if the NCAA hits us hard, Pearl should go. He did what he did, regardless of whether we end up being made an example of or if we're let off easy. The man should be judged by his actions, not the decisions / punishments levied by the NCAA.
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What people mean is that if the NCAA hits us hard, it will be with a show-cause penalty that effectively prohibits Pearl from being involved in the basketball program here or at any other NCAA institution, likely for one to five years. Although we could keep his job warm for him during that period, why would we bother? In that situation, he should resign or be fired.

I understand your larger point, but I think you're misreading why people are calling for Pearl to be fired if we get clocked by the NCAA. Not because that makes his actions any better or worse, but because it will become impossible to employ him from a practical perspective.
 
#41
#41
goodnight_vol said:
What people mean is that if the NCAA hits us hard, it will be with a show-cause penalty that effectively prohibits Pearl from being involved in the basketball program here or at any other NCAA institution, likely for one to five years. Although we could keep his job warm for him during that period, why would we bother? In that situation, he should resign or be fired.

I understand your larger point, but I think you're misreading why people are calling for Pearl to be fired if we get clocked by the NCAA. Not because that makes his actions any better or worse, but because it will become impossible to employ him from a practical perspective.
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Precisely. Unless you're Mike Hamilton and you're telling folks you'll ignore the show-cause order because you think it only applies to everyone other than the program where the coach committed the violations at.
 
#42
#42
cgbtn said:
In the Air force (I served for 37 yrs), we defined integrity as doing the right thing, whether or not someone was watching. Pearl has shown himself to be a man totally lacking in integrity. We should fire him forthwith. If we keep him, we are demonstrating our willingness to tolerate any behavior as long as he wins. If I was the parent of a prospect, I would not let a proven liar into my house to recruit my son, much less allow my son to play for him. Would you trust anything the man says?
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I remember being at a Tennessee Vs. Air Force football game and one of the Air Force players was throwing hay makers to a Volunteers kidney when he thought no one was watching :loco:
 
#43
#43
knowthevols said:
Not at the blueblood programs. We just witnessed the manner of justice the NCAA hands down to the bluebloods with Calhoun at UConn.
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Another neck for the axe to fall on in that scenario. Exacly who knew what is irrelevant from a punishment standpoint, there was enough insulation there to allow for deniability from Calhoun. Photographic evidence and personal testimony remove that luxury for Pearl.
 
#44
#44
goodnight_vol said:
What people mean is that if the NCAA hits us hard, it will be with a show-cause penalty that effectively prohibits Pearl from being involved in the basketball program here or at any other NCAA institution, likely for one to five years. Although we could keep his job warm for him during that period, why would we bother? In that situation, he should resign or be fired.

I understand your larger point, but I think you're misreading why people are calling for Pearl to be fired if we get clocked by the NCAA. Not because that makes his actions any better or worse, but because it will become impossible to employ him from a practical perspective.
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Thanks for the response and insight.
 
#45
#45
I can give you countless examples of people lying and it didn't affect them. For instance, Nick Saban! "I am the coach of the Miami Dolphins and will continue to be thet coach here. I have no interest at all in coach the University of Alabama." Then a few hours later, he was in Birmingham. That has not affected his recruiting at all.
So Pearl lying should not harm his recruiting.
 
#46
#46
Rudy123 said:
I can give you countless examples of people lying and it didn't affect them. For instance, Nick Saban! "I am the coach of the Miami Dolphins and will continue to be thet coach here. I have no interest at all in coach the University of Alabama." Then a few hours later, he was in Birmingham. That has not affected his recruiting at all.
So Pearl lying should not harm his recruiting.
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Not even REMOTELY close to being comparable.
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#47
#47
Rudy123 said:
I can give you countless examples of people lying and it didn't affect them. For instance, Nick Saban! "I am the coach of the Miami Dolphins and will continue to be thet coach here. I have no interest at all in coach the University of Alabama." Then a few hours later, he was in Birmingham. That has not affected his recruiting at all.
So Pearl lying should not harm his recruiting.
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Lulz
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