ABC links Batman shooter to Tea Party...

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lawgator1 said:
My understanding is that they found the name on some sort of list of Colorado TPers and in their haste to be the first to report it, didn't make sure it was the same guy.

If you are saying that the ABC team jumped to the conclusion that it was the same person because they believe that TPers are in some way prone to this kind of thing, I'd day that is correct.

If you say that, even if their assumption about TPers was accurate, that they should have double or triple checked I'd say you are correct. There was overtly nothing political about this. This was not a Democratic or liberal or progressives political event. It just doesn't make sense on its face that, even if he were a TPer, he would choose a midnight showing of Batman to make his statement.

We can debate whether their gut that it might have to do with the TP is in some way disqualifying as a journalist. If so, you have to basically fire all of Fox news for their readiness to leap to conclusions about black people.
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So is it a huge jump to conclude that ABC was doing its damnedest to make a non political event into something very political?
 
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lawgator1 said:
My understanding is that they found the name on some sort of list of Colorado TPers and in their haste to be the first to report it, didn't make sure it was the same guy.

If you are saying that the ABC team jumped to the conclusion that it was the same person because they believe that TPers are in some way prone to this kind of thing, I'd day that is correct.

If you say that, even if their assumption about TPers was accurate, that they should have double or triple checked I'd say you are correct. There was overtly nothing political about this. This was not a Democratic or liberal or progressives political event. It just doesn't make sense on its face that, even if he were a TPer, he would choose a midnight showing of Batman to make his statement.

We can debate whether their gut that it might have to do with the TP is in some way disqualifying as a journalist. If so, you have to basically fire all of Fox news for their readiness to leap to conclusions about black people.
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Seriously???? Nothing overtly political? Good grief.
 
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MG1968 said:
there goes LG once again, inferring that the Tea Party is racist

are all graduates of UFlaw such gutless turds?
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I don't think you understand my point. Consider the following statements:


1) "ABC got the story wrong."

That is obviously accurate.


2) "ABC got the story wrong because the staff were inclined to think that tea parties are more prone to this kind of thing."

I think that is probably accurate.

3) "The staff people who got this wrong should be fired for their bias against the tea party, and specifically their assumption that a tea party member is more likely to do this kind of thing."


You see, that last one is what is inherent in this thread. Its what the far right is all up in arms about. Its another complaint that the mainstream media is biased against them and should be criticized for it.

One can debate that. I see merit to it. But the Fox news people make such assumptions about another group quite frequently. Witness their picking up the Sherrod thing and their general coverage of ACORN.

I am willing to immediately jump on the bandwagon that it was sloppy and probably a result of assumptions by the new staff and that they should be criticized for that. But in turn you conservatives ought to be a lot more critical of Fox and the right for the assumptions they make about blacks, welfare, racial politics, etc.
 
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did someone call for the firing of someone over this? didn't see that anywhere.

"assumptions by the new staff "

assuming this was supposed to be news staff?
 
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Another ABC false report:
"This statement is to clarify a statement made by ABC media. I was awakened by a call from a reporter by ABC on July 20 about 5:45 in the morning. I did not know anything about a shooting in Aurora at that time," Holmes said in a statement this afternoon, read to the national press by attorney Lisa Damiani. "He asked if I was Arlene Holmes and if my son was James Holmes who lives in Aurora, Colorado. I answered yes, you have the right person. I was referring to myself."

"I asked him to tell me why he was calling and he told me about a shooting in Aurora," she continues. "He asked for a comment. I told him I could not comment because I did not know if the person he was talking about was my son, and I would need to find out."

In the first paragraph of its initial report on Friday, ABC News reported that it had identified the correct James Holmes because his mother "told ABC News her son was likely the alleged culprit, saying, 'You have the right person.'"
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link
 
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Again, was there a story about how this got aired? How do you know anyone was making an "assumption"?

When CNN and Fox News wrongly reported the Supreme Court HCA decision, what assumption was to blame?
 
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"ABC's Brian Ross reported this morning that there is "a Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colorado, page on the Colorado Tea party site... talking about him joining the Tea Party last year."

The page apparently had Holmes contact information on it, but no one attempted to contact him.

He will likely get paid though.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Again, was there a story about how this got aired? How do you know anyone was making an "assumption"?

When CNN and Fox News wrongly reported the Supreme Court HCA decision, what assumption was to blame?
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Here's the conversation:

Stephanopoulos: I'm going to go to Brian Ross. You've been investigating the background of Jim Holmes here. You found something that might be significant.

Ross: There's a Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colorado, page on the Colorado tea party site as well, talking about him joining the tea party last year. Now, we don't know if this is the same Jim Holmes. But it's Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colorado.

Stephanopoulos: OK, we'll keep looking at that. Brian Ross, thanks very much.
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So Ross was "investigating the background" of the guy and somehow found a Jim Holmes on the Colorado TP site and made the link.

What's worse is he says we don't know if it's the same guy - well then why would you suggest it is?

There's no reason to air that the shooter was investigated and may be linked to the TP if you have no idea if it's the same guy.

Very shoddy reporting and likely influenced by ABCs view that the TP may be prone to violence (even though there is no violence connected to the TP)
 
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lawgator1 said:
This post proves my point.

Conservatives make assumptions, too. Both are wrong for doing it.
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you evidently know very little about Sherrod's involvement in a farm loan program that she and her husband stole from

ACORN's tacit approval of fraudulent voter registration should have you apoplectic, and you would have been had they been allied with the Tea Party
 
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