Abolish ICE Movement

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However I do encrourage all our resident lefties to immigrate to the new paradise south of the border. To escape the horrible fascist government here.
 
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golfballs said:
However I do encrourage all our resident lefties to immigrate to the new paradise south of the border. To escape the horrible fascist government here.
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And no doubt since socialism is the answer to ALL the world's ills, all the illegal immigration into these United States will cease. I mean, why would they want to come here when they already live in paradise? Winner!


Viva la Mexico!
 
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volfanhill said:
Agreed. We are screwed. And odds are we won’t begin to fix it until the pain is very real. When that happens I don’t doubt we will fix it. But the pain and misery that leads up to it is going to be very ugly.
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Ponzi schemes usually end badly.
 
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golfballs said:
However I do encrourage all our resident lefties to immigrate to the new paradise south of the border. To escape the horrible fascist government here.
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Not surprising that you would want America to be exactly the opposite of the reasons for which it was was founded.

Yes, your thinking is extremely fascist in nature but that's your right and I accept it. I happen to know for a fact that your ideology has never been one that has been successful for our government so I know that model would never be implemented
 
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Democratic socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) is no longer left enough for some Democrats, because he has been reluctant to join calls to abolish U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

That’s according to the New Republic, once a reliable center-left organ. Writer Sarah Jones has declared that Sanders is “undermining his position as the nation’s most prominent left-wing politician” by suggesting that ICE should be reformed, rather than endorsing the total elimination of border enforcement.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Top Democratic senator bucks calls to abolish ICE: 'We are always going to need immigration enforcement'

Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar on Sunday bucked calls by fellow high-profile Democrats to abolish the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency, putting a damper on the far-left proposal that has gained mainstream traction in recent days.

"We are always going to need immigration enforcement," Klobuchar said on ABC's "This Week."

"I think we know that," she added. "We are a major country with major borders, so to me, the issue is what are those policies."

New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, a potential 2020 presidential candidate, and Mayor Bill de Blasio both advocated abolishing ICE this week. Another possible presidential candidate, California Sen. Kamala Harris, has said that officials should "re-examine" ICE and "think about starting from scratch."

And Massachusetts Senator, Pocahontas, called for "replacing ICE" in a rally on Saturday.

Top Democratic senator bucks calls to abolish ICE: 'We are always going to need immigration enforcement' | Fox News
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I posted this in the other ICE thread, but thought it fits here as well, given the mention of the New York players...




I have judged for awhile that the illegal immigration issue was primarily about cheap labor and votes. The voting thing I wasn't too sure about, but I was 100% sure that cheap labor was a major component concerning most of those fighting for the illegal immigrants. There have been some on this board admit they were for the cheap labor.

Well, this weekend, I received nearly 100% confirmation on both issues.

I had the pleasure of spending the weekend in New York, roughly 15 miles north of the city, as the locals call it. Met many extremely nice folks and learned a lot about the area. I never realized how hilly NY is. But I digress...

During the weekend, I happen to have a long discussion with a local attorney whom has lived there for all of his 70+ years. He and others I talked to discussed how "the city" is nothing like it used to be. That very few native people live there anymore; that it's full of transplants and it has really "gone down hill". Many "mellenials" are moving to the city but realize they cannot afford it, so they are in fact flooding the outer townships, to the dismay of the locals.

The attorney proceeded to talk about Mario Cuomo and how he lost his first run for the governor of NY. The second time he ran, this attorney talked in length about how he and other attorneys were bombarded with calls from "friends" of Cuomo to round up the 'laborers' and get them to the polls. Even went into discussion on how this was to be done and how to manipulate the machines.

He then proceeded to discuss the "day laborers" and how 2-3 areas in the city are known to be where one goes to pick up their day laborers. It is referred to as 'the slave trade' area. I thought this was very interesting, especially in ultra liberal NY.

Therefore, could it really be that simple? Cheap labor and votes? I know in my area, migrants are used for farming. Heck, our government built a local farmer a 4 bedroom house for his workers to live in. He just has to use it for them for 5 years then he can do as he wishes with it.

Thoughts? Let the debate.
 
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The far left is feuding in Dallas, Texas, after the Democratic Socialists of America abandoned a protest against Immigration and Customs Enforcement after cops showed up on Saturday, according to Monday tweets from Antifa Dallas-Fort Worth.

“@DSA_NorthTexas leadership decided to collab with the pigs and pulled their people from the demo leaving undocumented peeps and everyone else at risk of arrest,” Antifa DFW tweeted Monday.

“After speaking with DSA leadership the pigs moved in moments after DSA leaving,” the Antifa Twitter thread continued. “Not all DSA peeps followed their leadership & stayed. Some were even arrested. When Jail Support reached out to collab they were were met with silence. They offered no support to their arrested members.”
 
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CABVOL said:
I posted this in the other ICE thread, but thought it fits here as well, given the mention of the New York players...




I have judged for awhile that the illegal immigration issue was primarily about cheap labor and votes. The voting thing I wasn't too sure about, but I was 100% sure that cheap labor was a major component concerning most of those fighting for the illegal immigrants. There have been some on this board admit they were for the cheap labor.

Well, this weekend, I received nearly 100% confirmation on both issues.

I had the pleasure of spending the weekend in New York, roughly 15 miles north of the city, as the locals call it. Met many extremely nice folks and learned a lot about the area. I never realized how hilly NY is. But I digress...

During the weekend, I happen to have a long discussion with a local attorney whom has lived there for all of his 70+ years. He and others I talked to discussed how "the city" is nothing like it used to be. That very few native people live there anymore; that it's full of transplants and it has really "gone down hill". Many "mellenials" are moving to the city but realize they cannot afford it, so they are in fact flooding the outer townships, to the dismay of the locals.

The attorney proceeded to talk about Mario Cuomo and how he lost his first run for the governor of NY. The second time he ran, this attorney talked in length about how he and other attorneys were bombarded with calls from "friends" of Cuomo to round up the 'laborers' and get them to the polls. Even went into discussion on how this was to be done and how to manipulate the machines.

He then proceeded to discuss the "day laborers" and how 2-3 areas in the city are known to be where one goes to pick up their day laborers. It is referred to as 'the slave trade' area. I thought this was very interesting, especially in ultra liberal NY.

Therefore, could it really be that simple? Cheap labor and votes? I know in my area, migrants are used for farming. Heck, our government built a local farmer a 4 bedroom house for his workers to live in. He just has to use it for them for 5 years then he can do as he wishes with it.

Thoughts? Let the debate.
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No, it's never that simple

I've spent quite a bit of time around NYC. My brother in law grew up there and is a lifelong Republican. While I respect your friend's views, you will get thousands of different opinions from people who are life long residents. Far more will tell you how great the city still is even in it's modern state, which BTW, isn't ultra liberal by any means. It's ultra diverse

There are always more than two sides to an issue
 
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114VOL said:
No, it's never that simple

I've spent quite a bit of time around NYC. My brother in law grew up there and is a lifelong Republican. While I respect your friend's views, you will get thousands of different opinions from people who are life long residents. Far more will tell you how great the city still is even in it's modern state, which BTW, isn't ultra liberal by any means. It's ultra diverse

There are always more than two sides to an issue
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Now I can appreciate this response from you as opposed to the one in the other thread. It’s almost as if two different people responded.
 
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CABVOL said:
Now I can appreciate this response from you as opposed to the one in the other thread. It’s almost as if two different people responded.
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Well, some of these guys post outright, uninformed garbage and I respond accordingly. Your post was from a true experience you've had and I wanted to share the ones I have had in that similar environment. Many of this board's posters will respond negatively about issues for which they have absolutely no experience but still, somehow know better. That type of dialogue is never helpful. Also, many on this board do not get the fact that there are always more than two sides to an issue and do not get that you can care about both sides at the same time.

Thanks for your candor
 
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CABVOL said:
I posted this in the other ICE thread, but thought it fits here as well, given the mention of the New York players...




I have judged for awhile that the illegal immigration issue was primarily about cheap labor and votes. The voting thing I wasn't too sure about, but I was 100% sure that cheap labor was a major component concerning most of those fighting for the illegal immigrants. There have been some on this board admit they were for the cheap labor.

Well, this weekend, I received nearly 100% confirmation on both issues.

I had the pleasure of spending the weekend in New York, roughly 15 miles north of the city, as the locals call it. Met many extremely nice folks and learned a lot about the area. I never realized how hilly NY is. But I digress...

During the weekend, I happen to have a long discussion with a local attorney whom has lived there for all of his 70+ years. He and others I talked to discussed how "the city" is nothing like it used to be. That very few native people live there anymore; that it's full of transplants and it has really "gone down hill". Many "mellenials" are moving to the city but realize they cannot afford it, so they are in fact flooding the outer townships, to the dismay of the locals.

The attorney proceeded to talk about Mario Cuomo and how he lost his first run for the governor of NY. The second time he ran, this attorney talked in length about how he and other attorneys were bombarded with calls from "friends" of Cuomo to round up the 'laborers' and get them to the polls. Even went into discussion on how this was to be done and how to manipulate the machines.

He then proceeded to discuss the "day laborers" and how 2-3 areas in the city are known to be where one goes to pick up their day laborers. It is referred to as 'the slave trade' area. I thought this was very interesting, especially in ultra liberal NY.

Therefore, could it really be that simple? Cheap labor and votes? I know in my area, migrants are used for farming. Heck, our government built a local farmer a 4 bedroom house for his workers to live in. He just has to use it for them for 5 years then he can do as he wishes with it.

Thoughts? Let the debate.
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Generally, the Democratic party has viewed immigrants as a potential new voting block while the Republican party has view immigrants as driving down costs and increasing profit/standard of living (cheap labor).

It is why neither party's leadership actually wants to fix the "problem", it's a win-win for both sides; galvanize their respective bases with emotional rhetoric while simultaneously realizing long-term strategic goals.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Generally, the Democratic party has viewed immigrants as a potential new voting block while the Republican party has view immigrants as driving down costs and increasing profit/standard of living (cheap labor).

It is why neither party's leadership actually wants to fix the "problem", it's a win-win for both sides; galvanize their respective bases with emotional rhetoric while simultaneously realizing long-term strategic goals.
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You omitted a key distinction - ILLEGAL.

Democrats are fine with illegal immigrants undermining everything our country stands for by allowing them to vote. If they can trek hundreds of miles across cactus-ridden desert, they can enter legally. If they can’t, they have no business being here. This is not a hard concept.
 
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This whole abolish ICE thing is going to back fire on the Dems right before the mid terms.



You heard it here first...
 
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