Absolutely outrageous !

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#51
joevol320 said:
what the difference between spending it and loaning the money, or covering bad loans. anyways, that money was already set aside for the renovations, before they were having the problems.

it is very disturbing that our government has began criticizing private companies. we are a socialism.
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"A socialism" what?
 
#53
#53
lawgator1 said:
You called me clueless and stated what should be an easily proven objective fact, which is that "Wall Street" gave Obama $35 million, seven times what it gave McCain. I assume that you did not have personal knolwedge of this, i.e. did not count the money yourself, and that you were relying on some credible news source for that information.

I asked for a link to the source.

All you do is distract with red herrings.

At this point, I will simply assume you made up those numbers. Again, if you can cite some credible source on that, I'll be happy to listen.

Raises an interesting question about "clueless," does it not?
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Bumpety bump bump bump.
 
#55
#55
joevol320 said:
meant to say "we are socialism."
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All your socialism are belong us.

I see you are engaged in discussing socialist talking points Joe, any particular reason for that??



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"To sensible conservatives, it is virtually incomprehensible that the Republican Party can't quite figure out why their prospects for the 2008 election seemed so dim. Here's your first clue, boys and girls: America already has one socialist, tax-and-spend, appeasement-oriented, global warming Kool-aid drinking political party. Who needs two of them?"
---Arnold Ahlert

"Anybody who's convinced that Barack Obama belongs in the White House, except as part of a tour group, is the same sort of twit who actually believes that Jimmy Carter is a living saint and that Hillary Clinton is the smartest woman in America."
---Burt Prelutsky

"'Protecting the Environment' and the rights of animals is a ruse. The goal is the political and economic
subjugation of most men by the few, under the guise of preserving nature or the welfare of animals."
---J. H. Robbinsrights

Comrade Red Square's list of Party-approved word proxies to frame the debate and foster a shift in public perception.


(Be sure to read the interview!!)

* economic boom -> recession (when a Republican is President)

* economic bubble -> golden age (when a Democrat is President)

* free country -> oppressive regime

* oppressive regime -> workers' paradise

* electoral process -> failing democracy

* socialist dictatorship -> will of the people

* export of capitalist democracy -> imperialist war for oil

* export of communist revolution -> true democracy

* terrorists -> freedom fighters

* freedom fighters -> imperialist occupiers, rapists and murderers

* rambling communist thug -> idealistic romantic dreamer

* hard-working productive individual -> corporate fascist

* lowering standards -> raising awareness

* degeneracy -> striving urban culture

* human excrement -> thought-provoking art

* destruction of the family -> social progress

* clinical paranoia -> outstanding filmmaking

* failing government program -> need to increase funding

* destroying a perfectly good economy -> care for the downtrodden

* improving the lives of the downtrodden through innovation -> selfish greed

* truth telling -> hate speech

* hate speech -> sensitivity training

* targeting terrorists -> indiscriminate murder of civilians

* indiscriminate murder of civilians -> resistance to imperialism

* protecting the innocent -> racial profiling

* racial profiling -> affirmative action

* partisan lies -> unbiased news reporting

* unbiased news reporting -> fascist corporate media

* fascist stormtrooper tactics -> proactive approach to progress

* proactive approach to progress -> destruction of the planet with industries

* living human being -> carbon polluter

* dead human being -> Democrat voter

Now Joe you are equipped to understand LG and his outrage.










(He got a lot of wedgies in junior high and he won't ever forget that even though he is still getting them in law school.) :)
 
#56
#56
Thanks for finally giving me that link gs....

Oh, wait, I just dreamt that you did that. My bad.
 
#57
#57
Some info on WS contributions.

Wall Street invested heavily in Obama - Kenneth P. Vogel - Politico.com

Though Obama’s presidential campaign raised more than McCain’s from nearly every sector, the traditionally Republican-leaning financial sector’s career contributions to Obama, which alone tally $37.6 million (compared with $32.1 million for McCain since 1998), suggest that the industry collectively judged the president-elect an attractive politician.
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Doesn't support all the claims but the $35 million and greater level to Obama than McCain parts are supported.
 
#59
#59
lawgator1 said:
It was gsvol's claim that Wall Street gave Obama 7 x what it gave McCain that caught my eye originally.

But at any rate....

bump.
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it isn't donations. it's protection money. look at microsoft. they didn't donate enough to libs and clinton's justice dept raked them over the coals for years. they spent millions in legal fees.

the government has an endless amount of money to pursue criminals like microsoft. Look at google today, they gave millions to Hussein's campaign. i would say you'll see a lot of bills passed to help google.

it's sad where you have to give money to politicians just to keep governmnet off your back.

is this the type of government you libs want? it's really sad.
 
#60
#60
joevol320 said:
it isn't donations. it's protection money. look at microsoft. they didn't donate enough to libs and clinton's justice dept raked them over the coals for years. they spent millions in legal fees.

the government has an endless amount of money to pursue criminals like microsoft. Look at google today, they gave millions to Hussein's campaign. i would say you'll see a lot of bills passed to help google.

it's sad where you have to give money to politicians just to keep governmnet off your back.

is this the type of government you libs want? it's really sad.
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You are starting to make me laugh.
 
#61
#61
lawgator1 said:
Thanks for finally giving me that link gs....

Oh, wait, I just dreamt that you did that. My bad.
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Dreamed or hallucinated???

So who was right and who was wrong?

Here is the glitch over which you always trip and don't understand, although you buy into the class warfare theory, (ie it's us poor people against those rich people,) in reality socialism isn't a grass roots movement, it is a scheme of the ultra wealthy to consolidate political power.

Helpful hint, you can't play on the envy of those who are not already envious.
 
#62
#62
lawgator1 said:
You are starting to make me laugh.
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you don't think that a senator can influence the president or justice dept can investigate a company?

you don't think politicians can affect the way a business is run?

here's another example. Walmart rarely gave money to democrats, but since dems have been harrassing walmart and making threats. walmart's donations to democrats have increased dramatically over the last few years in hoping they will lay off harrassing them.
 
#63
#63
gsvol said:
Dreamed or hallucinated???

So who was right and who was wrong?

Here is the glitch over which you always trip and don't understand, although you buy into the class warfare theory, (ie it's us poor people against those rich people,) in reality socialism isn't a grass roots movement, it is a scheme of the ultra wealthy to consolidate political power.

Helpful hint, you can't play on the envy of those who are not already envious.
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It was under Lenin because it was Lenin who decided that, in contravention of Marx, a revolution was needed to hasten the arrival of the socialist state. Lenin's teachings resulted in the politburo and its minions, which over time became much more concerned with their own power than the support and expansion of socialism (which prior to being an economic theory was, in the 17th and 18th centuries, basically a debate between deontology and teontology as a rubric for explaining the role of the individual versus the society).

Socialism itself does not recognize or reward or penalize economic classes. In theory, it is purely equal (on the macro scale). But human nature being what it is, when you got people running a government to enact it, they tend to end up enriching themselves and their supporters at the expense of the economic system and so it will not really ever work. At least not as long as the people supposed to manage it remain selfish by nature.

Same can be said for our Republic, in many ways, since in theory the government is supposed to represent the people and their interests, but it ends up being a task in self aggrandizement and monopolization of power.

Either system is fine on paper. Both suffer from the same flaw, which is that inevitably the people chosen to run it end up being corrupt (again, on the macro scale). Our Republic is the better model, given that reality, because we have a much more elaborate system of checks and balances than did the totalitarian Soviet Union.

But don't delude yourself. Your real gripe is with the totalitarian state that tried to institute socialism in the USSR, not the theory of socialism itself, which as noted earlier is actually present in many respects in our own economic and political system.
 
#64
#64
lawgator1 said:
But don't delude yourself. Your real gripe is with the totalitarian state that tried to institute socialism in the USSR, not the theory of socialism itself, which as noted earlier is actually present in many respects in our own economic and political system.
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No, you don't delude your own self.


I do disagree with the idea of socialism itself!!

And I don't confine my gripe to the Leninist/Stalinist USSR, there is also Hitler's Germany, Mussolini's Italy, Mao's China, Pol Pot's Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, North Korea, Castro's Cuba, Chavez's Venezuela, Mandela's South Africa, Mugabe's Zimbabwe, Idi Amin's Congo, Angola, Eritea, Odinga's Kenya, Rwanda, Mengistu's Ethiopia, Somalia and other 'socialist' states in Africa, Hussein's socialist Iraq, the marxist Mullahs of Iran, Syria, recent history in Lebanon and numerous other marxists/socialist states.

What have been the recurring themes??

Elimination of most all opposition through murder, assassination and/or widespread genocide.

Elimination entirely of the emerging bourgeoisie, that is the middle class who through hard work and constant endeavor, sometimes over many generations of effort, have become free of the feudal lords of yore and have become an emerging political force, often engaging themselves in agrarian activity.

Opposition to and severe sanctions against anything that is to be considered "Christian."

Recent trends toward 'anti-white' themes.

Funding by a centrally controlled monetary systems, especially today the World Bank and the International Money Fund (IMF).

Did you know that IMF representatives, through international treaty have immunity from any national laws.

Perhaps this may explain why our new Secretary of the Treasury wgi didn't pay his income and social security taxes because he was immune from prosecution??

And when and just how did our social security insurance program metamorph itself into our social security tax???

"The whole gospel of Karl Marx can be summed up in a single sentence: Hate the man who is better off than you are. Never under any circumstances admit that his success may be due to his own efforts, to the productive contribution he has made to the whole community. Always attribute his success to the exploitation, the cheating, the more or less open robbery of others. Never under any circumstances admit that your own failure may be owing to your own weakness, or that the failure of anyone else may be due to his own defects - his laziness, incompetence, improvidence, or stupidity."

I am reminded of what was said of the great Muslim ruler Tamerlane when thinking of modern America; "He kept the rich cities of India like fat cows tethered in the sunshine."

So you, lg, don't pull you head out, darkness should prevail where the sun doesn't shine, even though you may reside in the sunshine state.
 
#65
#65
In each of the examples you listed above, there was a dictator (or dictatorial committee) that ruled with iron fist and abused his position and mistreated the citizens.

Did you go to any public school in your life? Go to UT? Do you drive on the public roads every day?

If so, you my friend are taking advantage of socialist programs.
 
#66
#66
lawgator1 said:
In each of the examples you listed above, there was a dictator (or dictatorial committee) that ruled with iron fist and abused his position and mistreated the citizens.

Did you go to any public school in your life? Go to UT? Do you drive on the public roads every day?

If so, you my friend are taking advantage of socialist programs.
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Sounds like you've won the victory over yourself.
 
#67
#67
lawgator1 said:
In each of the examples you listed above, there was a dictator (or dictatorial committee) that ruled with iron fist and abused his position and mistreated the citizens.

Did you go to any public school in your life? Go to UT? Do you drive on the public roads every day?

If so, you my friend are taking advantage of socialist programs.
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Also in every case they used the idea of 'socialism' to murder millions of their own citizens.

If you attended public school or drive your own car you have taken advantage of an open, free society, capitalistic system that has survived for 240 or so years, why give that up??

Let me remind you of Ronald Reagan


'If the Soviet Union let another political party come into existence, they would still be a one-party state, because everybody would join the other party.'
Ronald Reagan

'The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.' - Ronald Reagan

'The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.' - Ronald Reagan

'The taxpayer: That's someone who works for the federal government but doesn't have to take the civil service examination.' - Ronald Reagan

'Man is not free unless government is limited.'
Ronald Reagan

'It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first.' - Ronald Reagan

'No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth!'
Ronald Reagan

'Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.' - Ronald Reagan

'Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but the democrats believe every day is April 15.'
Ronald Reagan

'The problem is not that people are taxed too little, the problem is that government spends too much.'

'Violence has been Nicaragua's most important export to the world.'
Ronald Reagan

(I Forgot the mention the Kerry/Harkin/Ortega regime in Nicaragua in the post you replied to, sorry for that omission.)

'If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.'
- Ronald Reagan

'We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions.'
Ronald Reagan

'We should measure welfare's success by how many people leave welfare, not by how many are added.'
Ronald Reagan

'Welfare's purpose should be to eliminate, as far as possible, the need for its own existence.'
Ronald Reagan

'Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have.'
Ronald Reagan

'All the waste in a year from a nuclear power plant can be stored under a desk.'
Ronald Reagan

'Approximately 80% of our air pollution stems from hydrocarbons released by vegetation, so let's not go overboard in setting and enforcing tough emission standards from man-made sources.'
Ronald Reagan

'Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty.'
Ronald Reagan

'Democracy is worth dying for, because it's the most deeply honorable form of government ever devised by man.'
Ronald Reagan

'Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.'
Ronald Reagan

'Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.'
Ronald Reagan

'I've never been able to understand why a Republican contributor is a 'fat cat' and a Democratic contributor of the same amount of money is a 'public-spirited philanthropist'.'
Ronald Reagan

'How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin.'
Ronald Reagan

'Let us be sure that those who come after will say of us in our time, that in our time we did everything that could be done. We finished the race; we kept them free; we kept the faith.'
Ronald Reagan

'We will always remember. We will always be proud. We will always be prepared, so we will always be free.'
Ronald Reagan

'When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat.'
Ronald Reagan
 
#70
#70
Good old Savage always having to resort to insults because it's all he has.
 
#71
#71
666 said:
Good old Savage always having to resort to insults because it's all he has.
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How do you construe that as an insult? :shakehead:

No one insulted you. I think you may want to search a few of your replies to my posts. Personal insults are your forte'.
 
#73
#73
So you were calling Voltaire a sucker instead of me? All of GS's quotes from Reagan are nice and cute but they don't prove anything.
 
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