Accountability

[supersmo18]

I just find it sad that some of our fans still have to b*tch about a win, even if it is a close one against a team that we should have blown out.

A win is a win, and to go bowling, you need 6 of them. 3 down, 3 to go, and that is still very doable, despite what some of you think based on 5 weeks into CBJ's career.

Quit looking for instant gratification, and just be thankful that we are showing massive improvements in areas that sorely needed it.

A win alone is no longer satisfactory for some of these "fans."

 

[utvolkyle06]

Fans do not have to be accountable as far as support or not supporting players or coaches. They should be respectful and not an embarssment to the university, however they are not accountable otherwise. Fans are the customers they get to vote with their dollars and support. Coaches get paid to take the good with bad and that means praise and criticism.

 

[KBVol]

Hamilton? Alexander? George?

Josh? Linda?

 

[EZE]

I was completely on board with the attitude adjustment until that USA game.

There are literally no excuses for that. USA shouldn't have been a speedbump for us. Talent isn't an excuse. Depth isn't an excuse. South Alabama has only been around as a program since 2009.

Team lost focus and allowed a completely outmatched team back in it. That hits way too close to the 2010 Dooley UT team.

We didn't want another Dooley and, outside of initial recruiting, Butch Jones is almost identical to Dooley. Win against hapless team? Check. Get your teeth kicked in by Oregon? Check. Lose 31-17 against Florida? Check. Play another outmatched team and get ahead early only to let them creep back in it (2010 UAB, 2013 South Alabama)? Check.

If we get blown out by Georgia, we'll actually be behind the 2010 Dooley-led Vols.

I just wish people would realize that we lost almost all of our offensive production from last season. There should be no surprise this offense is struggling.

The defense has many of the same players. That it is playing better this season (although definitely not a top shelf unit) is a testament to what the coaches are doing.

 

[UTVolWarrior98]

I was completely on board with the attitude adjustment until that USA game.

There are literally no excuses for that. USA shouldn't have been a speedbump for us. Talent isn't an excuse. Depth isn't an excuse. South Alabama has only been around as a program since 2009.

Team lost focus and allowed a completely outmatched team back in it. That hits way too close to the 2010 Dooley UT team.

We didn't want another Dooley and, outside of initial recruiting, Butch Jones is almost identical to Dooley. Win against hapless team? Check. Get your teeth kicked in by Oregon? Check. Lose 31-17 against Florida? Check. Play another outmatched team and get ahead early only to let them creep back in it (2010 UAB, 2013 South Alabama)? Check.

If we get blown out by Georgia, we'll actually be behind the 2010 Dooley-led Vols.

WELL SAID BROTHA..COULDNT HAVE SAID IT ANY BETTER MYSELF:good!:

 

[kohlrums]

I was taking liberties and comparing the 2010 LSU game that followed getting blown out by Oregon, losing to Florida 31-17 and then a close win over a bad UAB team to CBJ's current game schedule.

LSU was a hot mess at the QB position going into that game, and TN had a decent amount of experience on D. Also had Denarius Moore, Stocker, Jones, and Hunter on offense. More talent on O then compared to now in terms of the youth.

 

[Sudden Impact]

Fans do not have to be accountable as far as support or not supporting players or coaches. They should be respectful and not an embarssment to the university, however they are not accountable otherwise. Fans are the customers they get to vote with their dollars and support. Coaches get paid to take the good with bad and that means praise and criticism.

We disagree.. Criticism and opinions will always be different. It's ok. I agree with the respect aspect. You don't have to love CBJ but you should respect him. You don't have to love or hate the players but you should respect them.

We are always accountable for our words and actions. This is a problem in our culture. We spew off negative comments without fear of accountability. It's ok to differ everybody is not going to see things the same way.

There are common themes that resonate on this board in a majority of threads: talent level, time, patience, state of program, rebuilding process, new systems and the list goes on and on. Well, maybe they are all contributing factors but blaming this on the current coach is not his fault nor is it the players. There will be a time when CBJ and staff will and should be held accountable for his body of work. Right now is not the time.

Some individuals take zero accountability or responsibility for anyThing the say or do. To compound the problem they turn around and play the victim or woe is me card. Or the easier approach is to blame it on others.

When did UT Athletics become a democracy? A vote? How much input did you have in the last hire? How much input did the donors have in the last hire.

If you think being a fan gives you a right to trash talk about player/coach then fine but you are accountable and responsible for your words. Does this make you less a fan, somewhat, but I don't respect you for doing so if you have done it for the sake of just stirring up crap. At this time, it is just dumb to do so. I would also question your fandom.

Why speak words if you are not willing to back them up. So as a fan, I can trash talk about this coach and team and not worry about any backlash or accountability. A little hypocritical and oxymoronish don't you think.

We are not customers, we are more like groupies...there will always be fans and the game will occur with or without you...if you are a customer what have you purchased and why did you purchase it? Fans are not customers and just because you maybe a season ticket holder a donor or a student it does not change you status in regards to the food chain and who is in charge of the athletics PROGRAMS at UTK.

If there would have been a dislike button I could have just clicked it and cut this rant down to a 1/4 of the verbiage.

 

[utvolkyle06]

We disagree.. Criticism and opinions will always be different. It's ok. I agree with the respect aspect. You don't have to love CBJ but you should respect him. You don't have to love or hate the players but you should respect them.

We are always accountable for our words and actions. This is a problem in our culture. We spew off negative comments without fear of accountability. It's ok to differ everybody is not going to see things the same way.

There are common themes that resonate on this board in a majority of threads: talent level, time, patience, state of program, rebuilding process, new systems and the list goes on and on. Well, maybe they are all contributing factors but blaming this on the current coach is not his fault nor is it the players. There will be a time when CBJ and staff will and should be held accountable for his body of work. Right now is not the time.

Some individuals take zero accountability or responsibility for anyThing the say or do. To compound the problem they turn around and play the victim or woe is me card. Or the easier approach is to blame it on others.

When did UT Athletics become a democracy? A vote? How much input did you have in the last hire? How much input did the donors have in the last hire.

If you think being a fan gives you a right to trash talk about player/coach then fine but you are accountable and responsible for your words. Does this make you less a fan, somewhat, but I don't respect you for doing so if you have done it for the sake of just stirring up crap. At this time, it is just dumb to do so. I would also question your fandom.

Why speak words if you are not willing to back them up. So as a fan, I can trash talk about this coach and team and not worry about any backlash or accountability. A little hypocritical and oxymoronish don't you think.

We are not customers, we are more like groupies...there will always be fans and the game will occur with or without you...if you are a customer what have you purchased and why did you purchase it? Fans are not customers and just because you maybe a season ticket holder a donor or a student it does not change you status in regards to the food chain and who is in charge of the athletics PROGRAMS at UTK.

If there would have been a dislike button I could have just clicked it and cut this rant down to a 1/4 of the verbiage.

I could write a long answer, but lets just agree to disagree.
BTW who is "We" you refer to?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I was completely on board with the attitude adjustment until that USA game.

There are literally no excuses for that. USA shouldn't have been a speedbump for us. Talent isn't an excuse. Depth isn't an excuse. South Alabama has only been around as a program since 2009.

Team lost focus and allowed a completely outmatched team back in it. That hits way too close to the 2010 Dooley UT team.

We didn't want another Dooley and, outside of initial recruiting, Butch Jones is almost identical to Dooley. Win against hapless team? Check. Get your teeth kicked in by Oregon? Check. Lose 31-17 against Florida? Check. Play another outmatched team and get ahead early only to let them creep back in it (2010 UAB, 2013 South Alabama)? Check.

If we get blown out by Georgia, we'll actually be behind the 2010 Dooley-led Vols.

Why do you even claim to be a UT fan? Dooley had much more talent to work with. Saying Jones is identical to Dooley shows how little you actually know about football.

 

[LocoVol]

This is a prime example of what is wrong with some of our fans. Just sad.

:lolabove:
Your a prime example, just because someone actually has an opinion diff than yours they are less of a fan in some way or your a super genius compared to them. Grow up and have a discussion with him rather than acting like your UT football god. I get sick of seeing people question others fandom because they disagree with their idea of UT football.

Watch out DC the Barney fife fan police are gonna get you. Lol

 

[Sudden Impact]

I could write a long answer, but lets just agree to disagree.
BTW who is "We" you refer to?

"We" refers to Vol fans "all Vol Fans". Maybe it is a Rodney King moment.

I don't think you want anything different than I do which is the Vols back on top.

Winning changes everything and a bowl game this year will be a pleasant change.

 

[GBO-Bartlett]

I was completely on board with the attitude adjustment until that USA game.

There are literally no excuses for that. USA shouldn't have been a speedbump for us. Talent isn't an excuse. Depth isn't an excuse. South Alabama has only been around as a program since 2009.

Team lost focus and allowed a completely outmatched team back in it. That hits way too close to the 2010 Dooley UT team.

We didn't want another Dooley and, outside of initial recruiting, Butch Jones is almost identical to Dooley. Win against hapless team? Check. Get your teeth kicked in by Oregon? Check. Lose 31-17 against Florida? Check. Play another outmatched team and get ahead early only to let them creep back in it (2010 UAB, 2013 South Alabama)? Check.

If we get blown out by Georgia, we'll actually be behind the 2010 Dooley-led Vols.

This not an excuse but a fact. Turnovers allowed USA to get back into the game. Paraphrasing freak... turnovers are the great talent neutralizer... Alabama lost to Texas A&M last year because of turnovers. This team is extremely young and inexperienced. We have 14 true freshman playing regularly with up to 20 something seeing playing time. There is a reason why established programs do not play freshman. Inexperience leads to mistakes and those mistakes are often turnovers. So, according to your logic we need to get rid of the coaches and bring in a new set of players as these inexperienced ones will continue to make mistakes and not meet your expectations.

 

[utvolkyle06]

"We" refers to Vol fans "all Vol Fans". Maybe it is a Rodney King moment.

I don't think you want anything different than I do which is the Vols back on top.

Winning changes everything and a bowl game this year will be a pleasant change.

Agreed we want the same thing, just not sure you represent all the fans and that they all disagree with me.

 

[Dragon18]

I was completely on board with the attitude adjustment until that USA game.

There are literally no excuses for that. USA shouldn't have been a speedbump for us. Talent isn't an excuse. Depth isn't an excuse. South Alabama has only been around as a program since 2009.

Team lost focus and allowed a completely outmatched team back in it. That hits way too close to the 2010 Dooley UT team.

We didn't want another Dooley and, outside of initial recruiting, Butch Jones is almost identical to Dooley. Win against hapless team? Check. Get your teeth kicked in by Oregon? Check. Lose 31-17 against Florida? Check. Play another outmatched team and get ahead early only to let them creep back in it (2010 UAB, 2013 South Alabama)? Check.

If we get blown out by Georgia, we'll actually be behind the 2010 Dooley-led Vols.

OMG- How many times did Fulmer teams do the same thing? I can remember UT having to scramble for wins and even lose to teams like Memphis. These type of games and situations happen ALL THE TIME and it should become a coachable moment.eace2:

 

[VOLINVONORE]

If there is a position group on this team that is stocked with young talent, it is receivers.

That is actually the one position that Dooley actually did recruit successfully over his 3 classes.

But none of those remaining have any experience or are not playing very much. We have a couple of freshmen starting.

 

[oregonvol]

The OP thought Dooley should have been given a 4th year. And now, he wants to make excuses for Jones because of what little Dooley left him with? The "logic" on this board is really amazing sometimes.

If we were actually improving, we should have whipped S. Alabama. If talent is the only issue, we should have whipped S. Alabama, because we definitely have more talent that they do. If this coaching staff is going to succeed, they are going to have to fix the passing game. Not by recruiting. Not in 3-5 years. They need to make adjustments and improve it now, because that's what quality coaches do.

 

[VOLnMiami]

I was completely on board with the attitude adjustment until that USA game.

There are literally no excuses for that. USA shouldn't have been a speedbump for us. Talent isn't an excuse. Depth isn't an excuse. South Alabama has only been around as a program since 2009.

Team lost focus and allowed a completely outmatched team back in it. That hits way too close to the 2010 Dooley UT team.

We didn't want another Dooley and, outside of initial recruiting, Butch Jones is almost identical to Dooley. Win against hapless team? Check. Get your teeth kicked in by Oregon? Check. Lose 31-17 against Florida? Check. Play another outmatched team and get ahead early only to let them creep back in it (2010 UAB, 2013 South Alabama)? Check.

If we get blown out by Georgia, we'll actually be behind the 2010 Dooley-led Vols.

And you have come to this conclusion after just 5 games with a bunch of Dooleys players :ermm: Really?...Wow....Seems you are the one with the problem...I'd like to see you take a team depleted with talent and try to beat Oregon or Florida...The talent on this team is on par with a sun belt team...CBJ is a football coach, Not a miracle worker...He is doing the best he can with the cards he was given....If it bothers you that much then go fishing or shopping at the mall until next season...You drama queens are getting annoying to read everyday on here.

 

[Orange Blazer]

Compared to how Dooley recruited OL, LB and DB... we are stacked with young talent at WR.

I agree but only one of his wrs is starting. So even his best recruiting efforts sucked.

 

[Sudden Impact]

The OP thought Dooley should have been given a 4th year. And now, he wants to make excuses for Jones because of what little Dooley left him with? The "logic" on this board is really amazing sometimes.

If we were actually improving, we should have whipped S. Alabama. If talent is the only issue, we should have whipped S. Alabama, because we definitely have more talent that they do. If this coaching staff is going to succeed, they are going to have to fix the passing game. Not by recruiting. Not in 3-5 years. They need to make adjustments and improve it now, because that's what quality coaches do.

20/20 Hindsight is a killer. I support the AD and their decisions and I learned to accept them. I didn't want Dooley to begin with and yes I am glad he is gone. KY game he needed to be gone and then compounded it with Ms State and MO games. The players quit. I did not want the Buyout to be paid. I think we can agree he is gone. Get over it, I have.

Again, I think you need to determine whether or not you are a fan and support the team versus acting like a Butt hurt kid. Your arrogance is quite evident combined with your know it all attitude will get you far in life. NOT

Start a blog....and stay off of chat boards...or learn how to play with other kids.....

 

[Sudden Impact]

Agreed we want the same thing, just not sure you represent all the fans and that they all disagree with me.

I don't represent all fans, but I do feel that we all want the same thing. There are many emotions and many quick to judgements on this board and others. Panic, fear, OMG moments by all. The sky is falling mentality.

The Kiffin and Dooley experiments did not work. Fans, players, donors and recruits were burnt. Just tired of the complaining.

We all want the same thing it is the process of getting there is what we disagree on. 5 games into a season is not the litmus test for dismissal and not a point you can judge a coach. It will be into his 2 or 3 year before we truly know what we have in CBJ. If he wins 5, 6, or 7 games this year then that means he has beaten a team he was not suppose to. Think about that, it is the state of our football team.

 

[oregonvol]

20/20 Hindsight is a killer. I support the AD and their decisions and I learned to accept them. I didn't want Dooley to begin with and yes I am glad he is gone. KY game he needed to be gone and then compounded it with Ms State and MO games. The players quit. I did not want the Buyout to be paid. I think we can agree he is gone. Get over it, I have.

Again, I think you need to determine whether or not you are a fan and support the team versus acting like a Butt hurt kid. Your arrogance is quit evident combined with your know it all attitude will get you far in life.

Start a blog....and stay of chat boards...or learn how to play with other kids.....

But even after the Kentucky game, you posted here and said that Dooley should be the coach for 4 years and that he would succeed.

Yeah, big question as to whether I'm a fan or not. Most normal people love to pretend to follow teams that haven't won a significant game in over 3 years. You got me there.

 

[Sudden Impact]

I did. I didn't want to spend the money. Other reasons. New Staff. Jay Graham, Felt Lance Thompson was here to stay. Recruiting was picking up other reasons.

Hell as bad as we were if we had a defense on the field to complete we may have been an 8 win or 9 win team and kept Dooley another 3 years. Wouldn't that have been tragic.

I am so glad you have honored me by reviewing and going through my posts of several years to prove a worthless point. Too much time on your hands....

Why don't you go outback and draw some plays in the dirt and send them to Coach Jones.

 

[oregonvol]

I did. I didn't want to spend the money. Other reasons. New Staff. Jay Graham, Felt Lance Thompson was here to stay. Recruiting was picking up.

I am so glad you have honored me by reviewing and going through my posts of several years to prove a worthless point. Too much time on your hands....

Why don't you go outback and draw some plays in the dirt and send them to Coach Jones.

You started a thread about accountability. But now you don't want to be accountable for all of your many posts about why Dooley should stay? Okay...

 

[Sudden Impact]

I am accountable you DA. I haven't denied any of them. Have I. You are difficult.

You love conflict don't you? Your thread inspired me to create this one. How did that thread turn out....Failed.

The Coach Jones thing is personal with you....Maybe you can explain in another thread.

 

[Sudden Impact]

I would agree. I was also looking at where I thought we would be vs. where we are. If a "C" is about where I thought we would be, then here is where I see us.

OL - D
WR - C
RB - C+
QB - F+
DL - B
LB - C
DB - A-
Special Teams - A

Effort for 60 minutes was my number one improvement area for this year - A-
Discipline - B+

I agree you are right. Effort is big. I don't think we will see a drop off either next year, but I maybe wrong. CBJ is not going to tolerate any performance that is less than 110%. What we as fans don't know is the individual players talent level, but I have seen this season is more effort and discipline.