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#26
#26
TXVOL07 said:
No doubt that the unwritten rules of baseball still govern the way we see the game. I think there is a ton of little happenings that we as fans have come to expect after certain events. If Manny hit one off me, which he undoubtedly would, given the opportunity, I would be headed towards the ear hole next. Not to hit him, but to show him I didnt appreciate that. Nolan Ryan's theory on this subject was very simple. If they crowd me, they are getting brushed off. If they showboat, they are getting it inside, and if they run their mouth, he was bringing HEAT. Considering he played in the NL for the better part of his career, I am certain he knew it would be returned to him full circle.

Oh, and Nolan didnt like it when batter(s) came to the hill either.
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I don't understand how Nolan Ryan put on his jock strap if you catch my drift. He was a man. The only thing about him was after he threw one about 100, he'd get the ball back and walk around the mound and took forever. I'm sure it was a psyche-out technique, but you know who was going to say anything?
 
#27
#27
excellent pics. That is exactly what I am talking about. You are right about Nolan taking his time on the mound though. I would have loved to hear someone attempt to "hurry him along".
 
#28
#28
Business said:
I pitched from Little League till my senior year in college. If you watched your bomb I would throw at your head.

No reservations. You just don't do it.

Also, if your pitching and getting beat by 5 or more runs and the winning team steals a base. Whoever is batting is about to get one in the ear.

You lean into a pitch and the umpire doesn't notice it. Next time up you will get one in the ear.

I think baseball might be one of the most trustworthy sports besides NASCAR. You have to have trust Joba Chamberlin to step in on his 98 Mph heat, you also have to trust a guy driving 200 Mph not to go mental and wreck you.

When these unwritten rules are broke that's when the poo hits the fan and yes I called the *%^# poo.
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That is the aspect of baseball that I can respect, they police themselves to a large extent. Same with hockey, you know someone in a different uniform will hold you accountable if you cross a line. Even if an official misses it.
 
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Business said:
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I don't understand how Nolan Ryan put on his jock strap if you catch my drift. He was a man. The only thing about him was after he threw one about 100, he'd get the ball back and walk around the mound and took forever. I'm sure it was a psyche-out technique, but you know who was going to say anything?
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I couldn't stand watching him pitch for that exact reason. Four-hour game every time. You're NOLAN RYAN, for crying out loud. Throw the ball.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
I couldn't stand watching him pitch for that exact reason. Four-hour game every time. You're NOLAN RYAN, for crying out loud. Throw the ball.
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Andy Pettite is almost as bad, but I dont think it is/was that big of deal. Besides, when you can throw like he did, who in the hell cares how long he takes. They werent going to hit anyway.
 
#31
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TXVOL07 said:
Andy Pettite is almost as bad, but I dont think it is/was that big of deal. Besides, when you can throw like he did, who in the hell cares how long he takes. They werent going to hit anyway.
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Considering how much baseball I watch, an hour per game is a big deal. I can't stand guys who take forever out there. There's no reason to climb down off the mound between every pitch. (Or, in the case of batters, step out after every pitch and do a few practice swings. Those guys suck too.)

I used to love going to a game that Greg Maddux was starting, because if it was a 7:40 start, you knew you'd be in your car headed home before 10 pm. Sometimes his games would be less than two hours. Baseball wouldn't have the reputation of being boring if everybody would pitch at that pace.
 
#32
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Vercingetorix said:
Considering how much baseball I watch, an hour per game is a big deal. I can't stand guys who take forever out there. There's no reason to climb down off the mound between every pitch. (Or, in the case of batters, step out after every pitch and do a few practice swings. Those guys suck too.)

I used to love going to a game that Greg Maddux was starting, because if it was a 7:40 start, you knew you'd be in your car headed home before 10 pm. Sometimes his games would be less than two hours. Baseball wouldn't have the reputation of being boring if everybody would pitch at that pace.
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Sometimes you have to take your time. If you get the ball and hop right up on the rubber the batter will get in a rythym with you and get your flow.

It's all mental.

I equate being a pitcher to being an offensive coordinator in football, as far as ebb and flow are concerned.
 
#34
#34
VOLinthaATL said:
Considing you would be a Major League hitter, no.
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Fine, so we stop them from admiring their home runs. Maybe eventually we can prevent them from smiling, too. They are playing a game, let them have some fun when they do something that most people can only dream of doing.
 
#35
#35
Vercingetorix said:
Considering how much baseball I watch, an hour per game is a big deal. I can't stand guys who take forever out there. There's no reason to climb down off the mound between every pitch. (Or, in the case of batters, step out after every pitch and do a few practice swings. Those guys suck too.)

I used to love going to a game that Greg Maddux was starting, because if it was a 7:40 start, you knew you'd be in your car headed home before 10 pm. Sometimes his games would be less than two hours. Baseball wouldn't have the reputation of being boring if everybody would pitch at that pace.
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You would have enjoyed watching Oswalt last night if that is the case. He works very quickly on the mound and produces alot of grounders. He gave up some hits, but immediately got up there and chunked. He has a distinct rythem that is very fast imo.
 
#36
#36
I like Oswalt. Not sure why his name didn't come up in the "best pitchers in baseball" conversation in the other thread. I doubt anybody has him right at the very top, but he's way up there. I'd expect him to win a Cy Young at least once in his career.
 
#39
#39
Yeah, but I never pitch, fwiw.

However, I do know that if someone crushes one off of you, you probably didn't do what you want. Doesn't mean you should throw it at his head the next time.
 
#40
#40
Vercingetorix said:
I like Oswalt. Not sure why his name didn't come up in the "best pitchers in baseball" conversation in the other thread. I doubt anybody has him right at the very top, but he's way up there. I'd expect him to win a Cy Young at least once in his career.
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i like Oswalt, but I really think Webb is in a different stratosphere. I also don't believe Oswalt gets the pub he deserves. Playing for Houston will do that to you.

With Webb, Santana and Haren all in the NL now, I think Oswalt's chances at a Cy Young award are gone.
 
#41
#41
tvolsfan said:
Yeah, but I never pitch, fwiw.

However, I do know that if someone crushes one off of you, you probably didn't do what you want. Doesn't mean you should throw it at his head the next time.
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It's not simply hitting a home run. I've had some home runs hit off me, many actually, I was average pitcher at best.

If they crushed something I hung, a fast ball luke warm and peter high, or even a good pitch which happens more than not it wouldn't bother me. When they pulled something like Manny standing at home plate, raise their hands, do something out of the regular home run process that's when lines get crossed and the game is played dirty.

I never went after earholes because of a home run. I went after earholes when I felt that the game started being played in a Bush League manner. I never stood on the mound and threw up my arms, yelled, starred down batters when I struck them out (which was few and far between). Therefore, I have no respect for clowns that do that. It's also why I don't have as much respect for the American League because of obvious reasons.

To sum it up, in my life I have intentionally thrown at maybe 7-10 people in roughly 15 years of playing baseball. Of those 7-10 I threw at I will bet all of them knew it was coming. It's not often that it happens but when it's needed you will know. On top of that I've been thrown at myself. It's not fun and there is a factor of fear that goes along with it. That fear straightens out the game where it doesn't become like the NFL as far as celebrations go.
 
#42
#42
volfanbill said:
i like Oswalt, but I really think Webb is in a different stratosphere. I also don't believe Oswalt gets the pub he deserves. Playing for Houston will do that to you.

With Webb, Santana and Haren all in the NL now, I think Oswalt's chances at a Cy Young award are gone.
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You think? Webb's ERAs for the last three years: 3.54, 3.10, 3.01. Oswalt's: 2.94, 2.98, 3.18. Whatever the heck Arizona's ballpark is called now is a better hitter's park than Houston, but Oswalt's ERAs are still about the same even after you normalize them to adjust for that. They've both consistently averaged about 230 innings a year; their W/L records are comparable. I'd take Webb, too, but there's not that much difference. Neither of them is anywhere near, say, Maddux 92-95 or Pedro 97-00. THAT'S another stratosphere.
 
#43
#43
Vercingetorix said:
You think? Webb's ERAs for the last three years: 3.54, 3.10, 3.01. Oswalt's: 2.94, 2.98, 3.18. Whatever the heck Arizona's ballpark is called now is a better hitter's park than Houston, but Oswalt's ERAs are still about the same even after you normalize them to adjust for that. They've both consistently averaged about 230 innings a year; their W/L records are comparable. I'd take Webb, too, but there's not that much difference. Neither of them is anywhere near, say, Maddux 92-95 or Pedro 97-00. THAT'S another stratosphere.
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Perhaps it's all being on a team that matters, but when I've seen Webb he just shocks me.

Oswalt is never exciting or thrilling and just wins when I've seen him.

does oswalt still have the most victories since '01?
 
#44
#44
volfanbill said:
Perhaps it's all being on a team that matters, but when I've seen Webb he just shocks me.

Oswalt is never exciting or thrilling and just wins when I've seen him.

does oswalt still have the most victories since '01?
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Oswalt appears to be the leader, with 114 wins since 2001. I don't know who's after him; I'm not a baseball-reference subscriber, and their advanced search feature won't give you anything but the top result unless you subscribe. Looking for a free tool to let me figure out who's after him without counting it manually...
 
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