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#76
#76
Whatever his flaws are, he is the best option we have at QB right now. Hopefully Chaney can help him the way Kiffin helped Crompton. He is a good kid who has matured a lot since he got here. No good reason for people to root for him to fail just to justify moving on to someone else. I'm certain he is doing his absolute best to be successful.
 
#77
#77
If Dobbs couldn't sustain success for long with a broken OL, I see no reason to believe JG will. Our season will live/die by the performance of the OL.
 
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Boca Vol said:
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"Linemen, you gotta give Blake at least four-god-d**n-seconds to throw the ball."

If Paul Blake needs 4 seconds, I gotta think JG does, as well.
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4 seconds is NE Patriot blocking. Js
 
#79
#79
sjt18 said:
If you are in the latter group... you weren't the object of my post.

I think JG was a significant problem. I think the OL was a significant problem. I think the receivers were a problem but a much lesser one. I would assign closer to even blame between JG and the OL... but wouldn't argue if someone said it was 25% him and 75% others. There are some here though who won't stand for any concrete suggestion that his weaknesses contributed. They claim not to think he's perfect... then turn the blame to someone else pretty much every time.
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I know your post wasn't directed at me. I doubt I post often enough for many of you to even remember my takes on anything. You did, however, specifically refer to the second and third posts in this thread, and I simply don't interpret those the same way that you have.
10ac_Vol83 said:
I would think our OL play would be more important. We don't have to worry about JG if he is protected and has time in the pocket.
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The Original Fade said:
JG will be one of the better QBs in the league this year if he has more than .0000003 seconds to throw the ball
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You could argue that saying that we don't have to worry about him is like saying that he's flawless, but I think that's a stretch, especially since his first sentence says that the OL is more important. I think the correct interpretation of that post is that Guarantano is good enough if the line does, well, anything. The other post says that he'll be one of the better quarterbacks in the conference. It doesn't say that he'll be the best or a Heisman contender. Being one of the better quarterbacks in the SEC isn't saying much unless we're putting him in the same tier as Fromm or Tua.

We went 5-7 last year. There were obviously a myriad of problems, and trying to put a percentage on the blame is probably a fool's errand. I will say this, though. Mike Mayock has always said that protection starts with the quarterback. The quarterback needs to make the right reads and adjustments. Peyton Manning wasn't always protected by Pro Bowl caliber linemen, but he was rarely touched because he was just that good. Most NFL quarterbacks can't do what Manning did in his prime, though. It's silly to expect it from college quarterbacks. We still need Guarantano to be better. We need the line to be better. We also need the play calling to be better.
 
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#80
#80
chargervol said:
I think he should be defended from insane claims like that.
But I said those that say "he needs to improve" then proceed to explain how every critique mentioned was someone else's fault. Often with a quick "hater/basher" thrown in for good measure.

I'll retract my comment the 1st time I'm able to have reasonable conversation about those areas without the above happening.
So far, still waiting.
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Well, that’s pretty all those who “critique” him say about him. You can’t even get anybody to agree to the idea that last year’s horrible OL play even had any effect on his play. I’d bet good money that if you were discussing our poor running game last year and brought up the same horrible OL play, that they’d agree with you....they likely say “hell, what do you expect, our running backs had nowhere to run and we’re often hit in the backfield before they could get to the LOS”.

As a matter of fact, they completely discount any hard, empirical evidence that says he’s not the awful player they constantly drone on about. They don’t argue that he’s “not great”, because nobody has said he is.....they literally argue that he’s just really bad and won’t, for one second, agree that he has any redeemable QB qualities.

All that said, I’ll give you the balance you say you want right here Charger....yes, JG needs a better sense of urgency in the pocket and needs to, occasionally, get the ball out quicker. Yes, there are times that he could’ve led his receiver better to give him a chance to gain more yards after the catch (but what QB can we not say that about?). No, he’s not a dual threat QB and he’s not an instinctual runner and often doesn’t take what the defense gives him with regards to running lanes....he stays in the pocket too long at times trying to make plays downfield without realizing and/or taking the opportunity to get yards with his legs.

However, I don’t buy for one skinny second that he can’t read a defense or that he “locks in on 1 receiver” all the time....neither are not true imho. And in fact, he was far better and made very good strides last year from the season before.
 
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#81
#81
SmilezDavis said:
I know your post wasn't directed at me. I doubt I post often enough for many of you to even remember my takes on anything. You did, however, specifically refer to the second and third posts in this thread, and I simply don't interpret those the same way that you have.



You could argue that saying that we don't have to worry about him is like saying that he's flawless, but I think that's a stretch, especially since his first sentence says that the OL is more important. I think the correct interpretation of that post is that Guarantano is good enough if the line does, well, anything. The other post says that he'll be one of the better quarterbacks in the conference. It doesn't say that he'll be the best or a Heisman contender. Being one of the better quarterbacks in the SEC isn't saying much unless we're putting him in the same tier as Fromm or Tua.
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I respect your opinion... but do not agree with it. Implicit in that comment is that the only reason JG struggled was the OL. That's not true. He didn't make good pre-snap reads. He didn't make good post-snap reads lots of times. As a result, his decisions came to slow which made the OL look even worse than it was. He also didn't show any ability to hit hot receivers to burn blitzing D's.

Those problems will still be there if the OL improves but he doesn't.

We went 5-7 last year. There were obviously a myriad of problems, and trying to put a percentage on the blame is probably a fool's errand. I will say this, though. Mike Mayock has always said that protection starts with the quarterback. The quarterback needs to make the right reads and adjustments. Peyton Manning wasn't always protected by Pro Bowl caliber linemen, but he was rarely touched because he was just that good. Most NFL quarterbacks can't do what Manning did in his prime, though. It's silly to expect it from college quarterbacks. We still need Guarantano to be better. We need the line to be better. We also need the play calling to be better.
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It is silly to expect a college QB to do it at an NFL veteran level. It isn't silly to expect them to do it at a college football level equal to their experience.

I've never argued that JG was a lost cause. I have argued he's behind where he should be. I think he and Drew Lock came in the same year. You couldn't blitz Lock. He would read it and burn you... even when he was younger. If the game will just slow down for JG... I really do think he can be one of the better QB's in the SEC.
 
#82
#82
jackcrevol said:
Jg's success hinges on having any running game. And, i mean even the screen game. Teams have to realize they can just pin their ears back.

I am an armchair guy, but, imho JG will be best served as game manager type qb. This business of airing it out for a first down and hoping for pts is for the birds.
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Wow... Now I have to flip sides.

I think if you can get JG to make good reads and get the ball off... he's a playmaker, not a game manager. In fact, I don't think he's well suited for the game manager role at all. I think he's a guy who really wants to 'do something'. Frankly, you get his head right... with his toughness and arm... I think he becomes a player opposing DC's fear.
 
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#84
#84
TDawg said:
I was never a Chaney basher while he was at UGA but he had a tendency to fall in love with a play or two to the point where he would just push it until it worked .. until it still didn't .. see the goal line series' against UF where Chaney called 7 run plays in a row from the 2.
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He let his pride and anger get the best of his rationale.
 
#86
#86
kbear01 said:
Dobbs in the open field was a nightmare. JG.......not so much. lol
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Dobbs was one of those guys if you measured his forty time was not particularly fast. However his game speed found kids running timed 4.4 forties unable to catch him from behind.
 
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#88
#88
BlackCreekVol said:
Yeah, exactly. Is that too much to ask?
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The most a qb can ask for on a consistent basis is 3 seconds. Plus if we cant ask JG to be at an NFL elite level in college then it only seems fair to not ask that out of the o line. So imo yes, its asking too much.
 
#89
#89
Surely Chaney will do a better job with protections than Helton did. We can only hope.
 
#91
#91
TDawg said:
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/s...-4-sec-east-contenders-from-reaching-atlanta/

Not one QB Mullen has coaches has been super accurate so that thought is subject to debate too.
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This is provably untrue. One of the great misconceptions is that Tim Tebow couldn’t accurately pass the football. Tebow left Florida holding the SEC and NCAA record for career passer rating and the SEC record for interception ratio, barely off the NCAA record. He also ended his career second in the SEC and NCAA in completion percentage. I’m not inclined to look up accuracy stats on other guys Mullen has coached like Alex Smith, Brian Johnson, Josh Harris and Dak Prescott, but I can assure you they were very good. I also know he did a phenomenal job with Chris Leak at Florida. Leak was incredibly accurate and talented as a passer. Nick Fitzgerald went from Heisman contending QB under Mullen to a dude looking like a TE playing QB when Mullen left.

Also, regarding Feleipe Franks and the NFL; he can throw the football 70 yards, and make every throw imaginable. He’s 6’6” and 240lbs. He’s got adequate running ability, and he’s got enough big time throws and plays on film that he will definitely get a look from the NFL. And if he plays all or most of 2019, like he did v Michigan and Tennessee, and FSU and in other spots of 2018, he will be a high draft pick. He is the type of QB who will wow NFL scouts at individual work outs. On the flip side, he has to be consistent. He looked awful v Georgia and Missouri last year. If that shows up more often than not in 2019, he’ll ruin his chances.
 
#92
#92
These SEC games are won in the trenches, unfortunately this doesn't bode well for Tennessee......maybe someday
 
#94
#94
SmilezDavis said:
You could argue that saying that we don't have to worry about him is like saying that he's flawless, but I think that's a stretch, especially since his first sentence says that the OL is more important. I think the correct interpretation of that post is that Guarantano is good enough if the line does, well, anything. .
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Yep, that's exactly what I was getting at. I don't think that JG is perfect QB by any means. He has his flaws, however he has shown that when he has a little bit of time he is good enough to not lose games for us, and if he keeps progressing under Cheney and Weinke he'll be a solid QB.
 
#95
#95
Remy said:
Dobbs was one of those guys if you measured his forty time was not particularly fast. However his game speed found kids running timed 4.4 forties unable to catch him from behind.
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Dobbs also had a unique ability to break or pull through tackles. How many times did we see it? He was deceptively strong , or slippery. Not sure. lol
 
#97
#97
Jaws said:
This is provably untrue. One of the great misconceptions is that Tim Tebow couldn’t accurately pass the football. Tebow left Florida holding the SEC and NCAA record for career passer rating and the SEC record for interception ratio, barely off the NCAA record. He also ended his career second in the SEC and NCAA in completion percentage. I’m not inclined to look up accuracy stats on other guys Mullen has coached like Alex Smith, Brian Johnson, Josh Harris and Dak Prescott, but I can assure you they were very good. I also know he did a phenomenal job with Chris Leak at Florida. Leak was incredibly accurate and talented as a passer. Nick Fitzgerald went from Heisman contending QB under Mullen to a dude looking like a TE playing QB when Mullen left.

Also, regarding Feleipe Franks and the NFL; he can throw the football 70 yards, and make every throw imaginable. He’s 6’6” and 240lbs. He’s got adequate running ability, and he’s got enough big time throws and plays on film that he will definitely get a look from the NFL. And if he plays all or most of 2019, like he did v Michigan and Tennessee, and FSU and in other spots of 2018, he will be a high draft pick. He is the type of QB who will wow NFL scouts at individual work outs. On the flip side, he has to be consistent. He looked awful v Georgia and Missouri last year. If that shows up more often than not in 2019, he’ll ruin his chances.
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Yet Tebow went to the NFL and had to be taught how to take a snap from under center.
 
#98
#98
Remy said:
Yet Tebow went to the NFL and had to be taught how to take a snap from under center.
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Not worth arguing .. obviously a gator who loves Mullen and can't see truth. He credits Mullen for Josh Harris but Mullen was only there for Harris' first two years at BG and they weren't so super stellar. Calling Fitzgerald a Heisman candidate is a HUGE stretch and he was terribly inaccurate. Having him playing QB was more a sign that there was no one else on the roster that the staff trusted .. whose fault is that? Brian Johnson had a high percentage but his YPA tells the story that there were quite a few short throws there which doesn't lend to some great accuracy. Chris Leak's numbers were never anything more than eh, ok at best and calling him incredibly accurate is selective at best. Which leaves us with Alex Smith, Dak and Tim Tebow ..

Alex Smith was a dang good QB in college and ate that conference up in the MWC. His mechanics were already sound coming out of HS and his arm was well above average. Dak was just a pure athlete and could do it all. Tim Tebow, as a Dawg fan, I am also a fan of Tebow (THERE! I said it ok! I am a fan of Timmy T) and is one of the top 3 greatest players in college history. Any moron could have coached those three and looked good.
 
#100
#100
KBVol said:
Thinking he has 7 wins in a season and a half as Tennessee’s starting QB....including wins vs top 25 teams Auburn and Kentucky last year.
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Exactumundo!!!!!!! Zero proof JG knows how to lead a team to the almighty "V"
 
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