Ah yes, the religion of peace.

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Alot of people are really blind when it comes to recognizing just what Islam is. Did they never even notice when they would show the terrorist training videos where they showed them doing house to house combat, when they went in, the targets where a Star of David and the Christian Cross??? Its becoming "open season" on Christians here too!!
 
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these threads are hilarious.

"my invisible make believe man in the sky is better than your one!!!"

:eek:lol:
 
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pejp said:
these threads are hilarious.

"my invisible make believe man in the sky is better than your one!!!"

:eek:lol:
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To each his own. But isn't your country being over run by Muslum extremeists? Go make "friends" with them, then report back and tell us how it went.
 
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Oldvol75 said:
To each his own. But isn't your country being over run by Muslum extremeists? Go make "friends" with them, then report back and tell us how it went.
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High estimates put the Muslim population in the UK at around 2.4 million out of a population of over 60million. Of that 2.4 million I have no idea how many would fit your definition of 'extremist', but dont let the truth get in the way of the scaremongering of course.

I'm no fan of extremist Islam, but the problem with people like you is that you dont see the difference between Islam, and extremist Islam. I have several colleagues who are Muslim, one of them is pretty devout. He attends mosque, doesnt drink or do drugs, plays football (soccer to you guys), likes music...just a normal guy who happens to be Muslim. I have a hatred of extreme Islam which would probably be equal to yours. When we had people on the streets of London demanding 'death to those who insult Islam' after those cartoons were published, I was disgusted…but it was a group of about 20 morons…so unlike you I am able to maintain a sense of perspective. When the UK was being bombed by the IRA in the 80's and 90's…would it have made sense me to hate all Catholics? No, because I realise that people that agree with this kind of thing make up a tiny minority, no matter what your extremist christian blogs tell you.
 
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Trying to lump all Muslims in with the terrorist types is nonsensical to me. Almost all religious movements have an element of assimilate or eradicate the nonbelievers. Some sects simply go overboard and we don't have to be accepting of them and, in fact, we aren't. Our counterterrorism policies are aimed squarely at these groups, including our very own, lily white American nut jobs who blow up buildings in OK City.
 
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To take a slightly different spin on things - lumping all religious nutjobs together is also ridiculous. Islamic extremists are certainly at the top of the hill when it comes to the outcomes of extremism.
 
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pejp said:
High estimates put the Muslim population in the UK at around 2.4 million out of a population of over 60million. Of that 2.4 million I have no idea how many would fit your definition of 'extremist', but dont let the truth get in the way of the scaremongering of course.

I'm no fan of extremist Islam, but the problem with people like you is that you dont see the difference between Islam, and extremist Islam. I have several colleagues who are Muslim, one of them is pretty devout. He attends mosque, doesnt drink or do drugs, plays football (soccer to you guys), likes music...just a normal guy who happens to be Muslim. I have a hatred of extreme Islam which would probably be equal to yours. When we had people on the streets of London demanding 'death to those who insult Islam' after those cartoons were published, I was disgusted…but it was a group of about 20 morons…so unlike you I am able to maintain a sense of perspective. When the UK was being bombed by the IRA in the 80's and 90's…would it have made sense me to hate all Catholics? No, because I realise that people that agree with this kind of thing make up a tiny minority, no matter what your extremist christian blogs tell you.
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Extremist Christian blogs??? I have never been to one I just watch the news. Have you ever even read the Koran? If you have, did you skip over the parts where it says that it is the muslims duty to kill the infidels?? That would be any non-muslim. In other words you and me.

Sure there are Muslims that do not hold to this doctorine. But you really don't know how many that do. I doubt that they all walk around looking like Bin Laden. They look normal. Keep your blinders on, you will need them.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Trying to lump all Muslims in with the terrorist types is nonsensical to me. Almost all religious movements have an element of assimilate or eradicate the nonbelievers. Some sects simply go overboard and we don't have to be accepting of them and, in fact, we aren't. Our counterterrorism policies are aimed squarely at these groups, including our very own, lily white American nut jobs who blow up buildings in OK City.
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Did not lump them all together, I believe I used the phrase "Muslim Extremeist". I sorry if that didn't make a difference between Muslims and Muslim Extremeist.
 
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Oldvol75 said:
Did not lump them all together, I believe I used the phrase "Muslim Extremeist". I sorry if that didn't make a difference between Muslims and Muslim Extremeist.
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I wasn't speaking to you. The OP was clearly generalizing about Muslims, which I find absurd.
 
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The big problem for many is that the supposed "silent majority" of Muslims make little to no effort to distance themselves from the extremists. It makes it hard to get past the idea that the struggle against non-muslims* is central to being a good Muslim.

*"Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people" Sura 3:118; "Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Sura 48:29.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
The big problem for many is that the supposed "silent majority" of Muslims make little to no effort to distance themselves from the extremists. It makes it hard to get past the idea that the struggle against non-muslims* is central to being a good Muslim.

*"Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people" Sura 3:118; "Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Sura 48:29.
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So....then the rest of us need to become anti-Muslim? Is that the point?

They will take over because they're required to, hence we need to limit their spread? How would that be any different than the extremists?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
So....then the rest of us need to become anti-Muslim? Is that the point?

They will take over because they're required to, hence we need to limit their spread? How would that be any different than the extremists?
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BPV, its more along the lines of just keeping your eyes open. You remember the old saying "don't judge a book by its cover"? Just because things look one way, doesn't mean they are. Its not saying you have to be anti-anything. Its just being aware.
 
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Oldvol75 said:
BPV, its more along the lines of just keeping your eyes open. You remember the old saying "don't judge a book by its cover"? Just because things look one way, doesn't mean they are. Its not saying you have to be anti-anything. Its just being aware.
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I'm not judging the book by its cover. I, like most, am well aware of the natural tension between religions. I understand that many Muslims believe they are exhorted to eradicate non-Muslims. I don't get the point we're making, however. What are we supposed to do? Limit them to certain areas? Tell people they can't be Muslim? Put on an anti-Muslim ad campaign?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Trying to lump all Muslims in with the terrorist types is nonsensical to me. Almost all religious movements have an element of assimilate or eradicate the nonbelievers. Some sects simply go overboard and we don't have to be accepting of them and, in fact, we aren't. Our counterterrorism policies are aimed squarely at these groups, including our very own, lily white American nut jobs who blow up buildings in OK City.
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i do think it is a fair statement to say there is a much higher % of terrorists in the muslim religion than any christian religion and a hell of a lot more muslim's supported bin laden (even publically) than chrisitians who supported mcveigh. I find the argument that it isn't at least a somewhat violent religion and that the leaders don't preach hate of the US a bit ridiculous.
 
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droski said:
i do think it is a fair statement to say there is a much higher % of terrorists in the muslim religion than any christian religion and a hell of a lot more muslim's supported bin laden (even publically) than chrisitians who supported mcveigh. I find the argument that it isn't at least a somewhat violent religion and that the leaders don't preach hate of the US a bit ridiculous.
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I don't disagree, but we aren't in any position to dictate religious choice to anyone, anywhere. That's for British kings and popes.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I'm not judging the book by its cover. I, like most, am well aware of the natural tension between religions. I understand that many Muslims believe they are exhorted to eradicate non-Muslims. I don't get the point we're making, however. What are we supposed to do? Limit them to certain areas? Tell people they can't be Muslim? Put on an anti-Muslim ad campaign?
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You sure can make alot out of a statement!!!!:)

How you get all of that out just watching out and paying attention is something else.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I don't disagree, but we aren't in any position to dictate religious choice to anyone, anywhere. That's for British kings and popes.
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Sure, but I'd also say that our duty of eternal vigilance compels us not to bury our heads in the sand and ignore a clear and present danger. There's nothing wrong with calling attention to the fact that alot of these people want us to convert or die violently at their hands and burn in hell for eternity.
 
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I work with a guy who is Muslim and I work in an industry that caters to national defense. He prays 5 times a day, fasts, and does everything required to be a good devout Muslim.

FWIW, he is one of the more patriotic Americans I have ever met and is loyal to the U.S. and it's national interests. I believe he genuinely loves his work, this country, and what it stands for. His family and mine are all good friends and we like to hang out and watch soccer together. Despite my beliefs (or lack thereof) I am never referred to as an infidel or belittled by him.

...just thought that was relevant to this discussion.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Trying to lump all Muslims in with the terrorist types is nonsensical to me. Almost all religious movements have an element of assimilate or eradicate the nonbelievers. Some sects simply go overboard and we don't have to be accepting of them and, in fact, we aren't. Our counterterrorism policies are aimed squarely at these groups, including our very own, lily white American nut jobs who blow up buildings in OK City.
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Why try to make it a racist thing???

Terry Nichols learned his bomb making skills from muslims in the Philipines and had hundreds of phone calls with them leading up to the event.

Add to that the fact that Iraqi intelligence agents aided and abetted them right up until the event, even being in the truck as it was parked in front of the federal beuilding in OKC.

Not a good job of deflection papa, one might even call it 'nonsensical.'

And another thing, just what other religios group preaches and teaches the eradication of nonbelievers. (infidels)
 
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rjd970 said:
I work with a guy who is Muslim and I work in an industry that caters to national defense. He prays 5 times a day, fasts, and does everything required to be a good devout Muslim.

FWIW, he is one of the more patriotic Americans I have ever met and is loyal to the U.S. and it's national interests. I believe he genuinely loves his work, this country, and what it stands for. His family and mine are all good friends and we like to hang out and watch soccer together. Despite my beliefs (or lack thereof) I am never referred to as an infidel or belittled by him.

...just thought that was relevant to this discussion.
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guarantee that this post will be ignored by our proud christian soldiers...
 
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pejp said:
guarantee that this post will be ignored by our proud christian soldiers...
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Thats why I respect rjd, when he has somethng to say he doesn't bash like you do. Maybe you could learn a lesson or two from him. Of course, when a person is trully weak they resort to your type of tatics. Learn from him atleast.:eek:k:
 
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pejp said:
High estimates put the Muslim population in the UK at around 2.4 million out of a population of over 60million. Of that 2.4 million I have no idea how many would fit your definition of 'extremist', but dont let the truth get in the way of the scaremongering of course.

I'm no fan of extremist Islam, but the problem with people like you is that you dont see the difference between Islam, and extremist Islam. I have several colleagues who are Muslim, one of them is pretty devout. He attends mosque, doesnt drink or do drugs, plays football (soccer to you guys), likes music...just a normal guy who happens to be Muslim. I have a hatred of extreme Islam which would probably be equal to yours. When we had people on the streets of London demanding 'death to those who insult Islam' after those cartoons were published, I was disgusted…but it was a group of about 20 morons…so unlike you I am able to maintain a sense of perspective. When the UK was being bombed by the IRA in the 80's and 90's…would it have made sense me to hate all Catholics? No, because I realise that people that agree with this kind of thing make up a tiny minority, no matter what your extremist christian blogs tell you.
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So then you are confortable with 'no-go zones' where nonmuslims are not welcome in Britian???

Sounds like a lot more than 20 morons to me and that's not counting kaffir dhimmis such as yourself with a sense of perspective that can't see the forest for the trees.
 
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gsvol said:
So then you are confortable with 'no-go zones' where nonmuslims are not welcome in Britian???

Sounds like a lot more than 20 morons to me and that's not counting kaffir dhimmis such as yourself with a sense of perspective that can't see the forest for the trees.
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there are places exactly like that in the US they just aren't down religious lines. Just another way to separate themselves
 
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