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Shaun1985

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Something better happen. Off court incidents, transfer or two, maybe some big time recruitment news. It feels like it's been months since UTs played basketball. Can we at least get some schedule news or something :banghead2:

This time of the year absolutely sucks!
 
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This is what happens when the team doesn't advance in the tournament. I'm afraid we have a long time to wait for some basketball news.
 
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It's been two weeks. Hall is back and a transfer has occurred. I don't think it's time to long for basketball already. You might explode if you feel this bad now.
 
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TennFan0027 said:
It's been two weeks. Hall is back and a transfer has occurred. I don't think it's time to long for basketball already. You might explode if you feel this bad now.
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Wow. Your 100% right. I didn't even realize it was just around two weeks and we've already had news. I am going to explode. I feel like the warning label they stick on a box of Chantix. This is going to be a long, long offseason :ermm:
 
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I'll take no news and a quiet summer over arrests, suspensions, clearing house issues etc etc.

It makes the off season drag, but a quiet offseason can be a good thing.

I know it serves no great purpose but I'm ready for the RTL.
 
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Kentucky pulls in 5 star recruits. We better start pulling in 4 and 5 star guys or we will always be second fiddle to UK. This is Tennessee we can do better. Come on man!!
 
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rickyyrs said:
Kentucky pulls in 5 star recruits. We better start pulling in 4 and 5 star guys or we will always be second fiddle to UK. This is Tennessee we can do better. Come on man!!
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Yes those 4* renaldo Woolridge, kenny hall, Ramar smith, duke crew(5*), cameron tatum, marques johnson, Emmanuel negedu, Scotty hopson(5*), Chris jones etc etc really did a lot for us.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Yes those 4* renaldo Woolridge, kenny hall, Ramar smith, duke crew(5*), cameron tatum, marques johnson, Emmanuel negedu, Scotty hopson(5*), Chris jones etc etc really did a lot for us.
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I would exclude him from that list. He had a condition he couldn't help, or he would have been something special. All the other ones, no excuse for them.
 
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VolsFan4Ever-11 said:
I would exclude him from that list. He had a condition he couldn't help, or he would have been something special. All the other ones, no excuse for them.
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You're right I was just pointing out that stars don't mean you're guarantee automatic success.

No telling how he'd have been, really unfortunate his situation.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
You're right I was just pointing out that stars don't mean you're guarantee automatic success.

No telling how he'd have been, really unfortunate his situation.
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Oh yeah I knew what you were pointing out. It really is sad that somebody with talent had that to happen, and these other guys just literally wasted their talents away.
 
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Shaun1985 said:
Something better happen. Off court incidents, transfer or two, maybe some big time recruitment news. It feels like it's been months since UTs played basketball. Can we at least get some schedule news or something :banghead2:

This time of the year absolutely sucks!
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Glad I'm not the only one that feels this way. Personally, I'm not excited about football at all. I really haven't been since my sophomore year of undergrad. In my eyes, UT is a bball school.

I do love our football team though. Dooley seems like a great guy, but a subpar coach. It was blatantly obvious to me the day we hired him, but I wanted to give him a shot. He has met my low expectations.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Yes those 4* renaldo Woolridge, kenny hall, Ramar smith, duke crew(5*), cameron tatum, marques johnson, Emmanuel negedu, Scotty hopson(5*), Chris jones etc etc really did a lot for us.
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All the ones that wore a UT uniform helped take us to the tourney every single year they were here (except the ones left over to play this year). Some got to say they made it to the sweet 16, some can say elite 8. I would say yes they have done a lot for us and at times I enjoyed each one of them. At times some were some of my favorite player.
 
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johnnybravo said:
All the ones that wore a UT uniform helped take us to the tourney every single year they were here (except the ones left over to play this year). Some got to say they made it to the sweet 16, some can say elite 8. I would say yes they have done a lot for us and at times I enjoyed each one of them. At times some were some of my favorite player.
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My point was not one of those guys produced like they were expected to when the signed here.

If they had you'd be talking final fours not sweet 16's.


The point still remains, you don't have to have a team full of 4&5 stars in order to win big like the OP was suggesting. See Michigan State, we are equally (star) talented yet were nowhere near their level of play.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
My point was not one of those guys produced like they were expected to when the signed here.

If they had you'd be talking final fours not sweet 16's.


The point still remains, you don't have to have a team full of 4&5 stars in order to win big like the OP was suggesting. See Michigan State, we are equally (star) talented yet were nowhere near their level of play.
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MSU has Coach Izzo. We don't. Big difference.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Glad I'm not the only one that feels this way. Personally, I'm not excited about football at all. I really haven't been since my sophomore year of undergrad. In my eyes, UT is a bball school.[/]

I do love our football team though. Dooley seems like a great guy, but a subpar coach. It was blatantly obvious to me the day we hired him, but I wanted to give him a shot. He has met my low expectations.
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Tennessee will always be a football school first. And UT is one of the oldest programs to never make a final four
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
Tennessee will always be a football school first. And UT is one of the oldest programs to never make a final four
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Yep, but since I've been at UT, the basketball team has been miles ahead of the football team. When I'm old, the first thing I will associate UT athletics with will be basketball.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I can do the same math with many more programs if you'd like.

Are you saying you have to have all 4&5* to win big?

Or if you don't then you must have one of the best coaches?
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It doesn't take a mathmatician to know it's easier to consistently win year after year with 4 and 5 than it does 3 and 4.

To win with 3 and 4 consistently does require a great coach that can spot under rated player, knows how to recruit to his style of coaching, consistently develop kids into better players, good x's and o's, and good motivator.

There will always be a VCU or Butler that can make a run with 3 and 4 type players, but that is not the norm and after the batch of kids graduates, those programs usually come back down to earth.
 
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johnnybravo said:
It doesn't take a mathmatician to know it's easier to consistently win year after year with 4 and 5 than it does 3 and 4.

To win with 3 and 4 consistently does require a great coach that can spot under rated player, knows how to recruit to his style of coaching, consistently develop kids into better players, good x's and o's, and good motivator.

There will always be a VCU or Butler that can make a run with 3 and 4 type players, but that is not the norm and after the batch of kids graduates, those programs usually come back down to earth.
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Doesn't winning big consistently basically require a great coach anyways?

I mean who are your top programs? Uconn, unc, duke, uk, cuse, Kansas? All have what most would consider as great coaches right?

All my original point was is this, over the last 7 years or so we've been succesful with an average of around a 3.5* rotation. To suggest you have to play only 4&5 to be succesful IMO isn't true. As I said, for the last 7 years or so, we've been succesful with a much less talented rotation than only 4&5's. I guess my opinion is, Tennessee baskeball was/is in great shape. In position to be a top 20 program and be a mainstay in the NCAA tournament year in an out. You do that and your going to be succesful and win big at some point IMO.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Doesn't winning big consistently basically require a great coach anyways?

I mean who are your top programs? Uconn, unc, duke, uk, cuse, Kansas? All have what most would consider as great coaches right?

All my original point was is this, over the last 7 years or so we've been succesful with an average of around a 3.5* rotation. To suggest you have to play only 4&5 to be succesful IMO isn't true. As I said, for the last 7 years or so, we've been succesful with a much less talented rotation than only 4&5's. I guess my opinion is, Tennessee baskeball was/is in great shape. In position to be a top 20 program and be a mainstay in the NCAA tournament year in an out. You do that and your going to be succesful and win big at some point IMO.
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We've been much closer to an average 4*+ rotation than a 3.5* rotation if you take out the Childress, Pearl, Williams, McBee, etc... Replace them with a decent 4 star player and where would we have been. These are the players that kept our average down and most thought that they shouldn't have been in the rotation to begin with. Yeah every now and then you will see a 2* Jujuan Smith prove the rankings wrong, but most of the time the 2* to 3* that fill out the rotation is the ones that you wish you could upgrade with a descent 4*.
 
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johnnybravo said:
We've been much closer to an average 4*+ rotation than a 3.5* rotation if you take out the Childress, Pearl, Williams, McBee, etc... Replace them with a decent 4 star player and where would we have been. These are the players that kept our average down and most thought that they shouldn't have been in the rotation to begin with. Yeah every now and then you will see a 2* Jujuan Smith prove the rankings wrong, but most of the time the 2* to 3* that fill out the rotation is the ones that you wish you could upgrade with a descent 4*.
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Chris lofton as well.

And I'm not talking about take out this guy add that guy, I'm going off our rotations the last 7 years that have made Tennessee a top 20 program IMO.

We've done just fine in years past, and this year as well with about a 3.5 average. Infact, one could argue the 2&3 like Richardson, yemi & mcbee this year contributed much more than the 4* Woolridge and hall.

I guess what I'm saying simply is this. I think for Tennessee to be a top program and win a title the team will be mostly 4* an occasional 5, and a few 3's, much like we have been. I see that being a more likely route than asking CCM to field a team like Calipari, all 4&5*.
 
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