Ainge Starting vs. Irish

[therickbol]

Originally posted by orangetd88@Nov 2, 2005 11:12 PM
9-21 for 65 yards...and he looked good?

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And, had three balls he threw that should have been caught. One of them was a 50 yard bomb for a TD to Chris "I care only about myself" Hannon. If Hannons puts some effort into it he catches that ball for a TD. If our WR's had played well Ainge would have been 12-21 with around 130 yards. Ainge played well (progressed from his earlier plaing) and was hurt by his WR's again.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Originally posted by therickbol@Nov 3, 2005 12:56 PM
One of them was a 50 yard bomb for a TD to Chris "I care only about myself" Hannon. If Hannon puts some effort into it he catches that ball for a TD.

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Thanks for reminding me of that. I was sitting in the stands wondering what in the heck it would take to get a little effort out of somebody on offense. I mean at least, AT LEAST, lay out and try to make the catch. Then, you could say you tried. As it was, Hannon let a ball go off his fingertips in the checkerboard. That, my friends, is a big "No, No."

 

[gonygonygo]

Originally posted by kiddiedoc@Nov 3, 2005 1:18 PM
Thanks for reminding me of that.  I was sitting in the stands wondering what in the heck it would take to get a little effort out of somebody on offense.  I mean at least, AT LEAST, lay out and try to make the catch.  Then, you could say you tried.  As it was, Hannon let a ball go off his fingertips in the checkerboard.  That, my friends, is a big "No, No."

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You can't blame Hannon for that... Everyone knows it was Randy Sanders's fault. Now that he's no longer OC, that kind of stuff wont happen anymore. All problems will magically disappear. :cross:

(i was being sarcastic) :hi:

 

[OWB]

Originally posted by kiddiedoc@Nov 3, 2005 1:18 PM
Thanks for reminding me of that.  I was sitting in the stands wondering what in the heck it would take to get a little effort out of somebody on offense.  I mean at least, AT LEAST, lay out and try to make the catch.  Then, you could say you tried.  As it was, Hannon let a ball go off his fingertips in the checkerboard.  That, my friends, is a big "No, No."

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That should have been a catch for sure. Our receivers continue to prove that they can't adjust to the ball very well.

Swain should have been able to get a foot down in bounds in the corner too. At first I thought it wasn't possible, watching the replay, it seemed very possible.

 

[kiddiedoc]

At some point, somebody is going to HAVE to step up and help out the quarterback. I don't care if you've got Joe Montana in the pocket, if the receivers don't catch the ball and give 100% every play, he's just an average schmoe. Imagine what completing a 50-yard TD could do for the kid's psyche?

 

[gonygonygo]

Originally posted by kiddiedoc@Nov 3, 2005 1:35 PM
At some point, somebody is going to HAVE to step up and help out the quarterback.  I don't care if you've got Joe Montana in the pocket, if the receivers don't catch the ball and give 100% every play, he's just an average schmoe.  Imagine what completing a 50-yard TD could do for the kid's psyche?

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too bad it wont happen. even if he does complete it, it'll come back for a holding penalty.. :birgits_giggle:

 

[VOLracerx]

Originally posted by milohimself@Nov 3, 2005 12:04 AM
If the receivers had caught some dropped balls his stats may look better.

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That should be our tagline for the whole season.

 

[orangetd88]

He had a couple that should have been cuaght. Both throws mentioned could have been better, but you can't ask for perfection all the time.

He also made some bad throws, too. He threw one 10 miles over someone's head, and had a couple of others that looked bad. Those throws were on plays where it looked like either he or the receiver was on the wrong page. Can't say for sure if it was a bad throw or the receiver just ran the wrong route. Who knows?

 

[allvol]

Originally posted by orangetd88@Nov 2, 2005 11:12 PM
9-21 for 65 yards...and he looked good?

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Probably after not scoring a touchdown against Alabama... Clausen falling down 1-yard short of a first down on Tennessee's first drive against SC.... and Clausen's 1st pass attempt of the game being intercepted......

Fulmer thought that Ainge coming in and completing 3-of-4 passes for 44 yards, including 2 first down completions AND the drive culminating in a TD looked good in comparison?

Maybe the receivers would catch the ball better if they were used the throws? Left handed soft passes versus right handed bullets are two completely different kind of passes to catch... in speed as well as direction of spiral.

If Sanders was calling plays against South Carolina.... there never appeared to be a rythm..... Ainge's 2nd drive, the Vols ran the ball 3 straight times for 35 yards to the SC 18. Then inexplicably run a play that loses 3 yards on the pass completion. Then on 3rd-and-10 from the SC21, the pass is incomplete. The Vols kick a field goal. Ainge was 1-of-2 for -3 yards on the drive. Got into the red zone and then passed?

SC fumbles at the SC29. Foster loses 2 yards. Ainge throws 2 straight incompletions on 2nd-and-12 and 3rd-and-12. Wilhoit misses field goal. 0-for-2

Next drive.... Yancy had 2 carries for 2 yards. Ainge was 2-of-4 for 19 yards... including 1 first down completion. The drive stalled on the SC 42 after a pass to Hannon was incomplete.

Next drive (after SC safety)... Foster runs for 16 yards on 1st down. The Vols are in SC territory... guess they must pass now.... Ainge is sacked on 1st down. Completes a 5 yard pass on 2nd and then a -4 yard pass on 3rd-and-8. Yes, a screen pass on 3rd-and-long again. Ainge was 2-of-2 for 1 yard.

SC fumbles... Vols have the ball as SC 18. Ainge runs for 5... Foster runs for 4... then Foster fumbles into the endzone.

Hefney intercepts the ball near midfield.... Ainge is sacked for a 16 yard loss on the last play of the half. Ainge was 8-of-14 for 61 yards, including 3 first down completions in the first half. The Vols led 12-7.

The 2nd half started off great. Foster rushed 5 straight times for 34 yards down to the SC 46. SC could not stop him. So of course the Vols line up and throw 3 straight passes. Ainge only completes 1-of-3 for 4 yards.

The Vols have been very successful running the ball in the game thus far. So let's pass! Starting the next drive from the SC 38, Ainge is 0-for-3.

The defense holds again and the Vols get possession at the SC 43. Foster for 2... then 1... and an Ainge incomplete pass on 3rd down to freshman WR Josh Briscoe. 0-for-1

SC takes the lead after scoring on an 80-yard, 6:21 drive. SC 13-12.

Clausen enters the game. Ainge is only 1-of-7 for 4 yards in the 2nd half.

 

[hitandrun]

Originally posted by milohimself@Nov 3, 2005 12:17 AM
True. He can be coached back into it though.

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Here's a question for you (well, for anyone...): Does it seem odd that he needs to be coached back into something, when he looked better during his Freshman year before he was coached by UT's staff???

OK... I'll come out and say it... why did Ainge look better as a Freshman than he does now after being under UT's coaching staff for a year and a half???

 

[allvol]

Ainge was using a "dumbed down" version of the playbook during his freshman season.

Ainge is now expected to learn the entire playbook. He has admitted himself that he is a bit overwhelmed.

Players can't regress as bad as Ainge has just due to coaching. He was injured last season and needs more reps. Sanders has proven to not really develop quarterbacks... but they don't regress. Casey Clausen never got better, but he never got worse either.

Hopefully, the new quarterbacks coach for next year can straighten out any mechanics problems IF they exist. The psychologists will have to do the rest.

 

[hitandrun]

Originally posted by allvol@Nov 3, 2005 3:19 PM
Ainge was using a "dumbed down" version of the playbook during his freshman season.

Ainge is now expected to learn the entire playbook.  He has admitted himself that he is a bit overwhelmed.

Players can't regress as bad as Ainge has just due to coaching.  He was injured last season and needs more reps.  Sanders has proven to not really develop quarterbacks... but they don't regress.  Casey Clausen never got better, but he never got worse either.

Hopefully, the new quarterbacks coach for next year can straighten out any mechanics problems IF they exist.  The psychologists will have to do the rest.

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I thought our entire playbook consisted of 7 yard deep passes and running up the middle?

I know he was injured, but it wasn't like he had to come back from shoulder surgery or a knee operation... some sympathy for the collarbone injury, but not enough to justify him being so gun-shy right now.

As far as QB's not regressing under Sanders, what about Matthews, Suggs, Leak, and now Ainge... the record seems to suggest that highly-rated QB's that come in wind up being not worth a crap (at least while at UT). Well, Suggs was horrible at Ga Tech, too... ugly, ugly... but after all, it is Ga Tech.

 

[orangetd88]

dumbed down or not, it worked for him last year.

 

[holdemvol]

I am tired of hearing that all we do is run up the middle. That is not true at all, and if anything UT has probably thrown the ball too much this season. We have tried and tried every single game to get the ball downfield, only to have a bad throw, dropped ball, or clausen check down to the RB. The problem has not been playcalling or predictability, just poor play.

 

[allvol]

Originally posted by hitandrun@Nov 3, 2005 3:34 PM
I thought our entire playbook consisted of 7 yard deep passes and running up the middle? 

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That sounds great and reminds of the complaints during Johnny Majors term as coach.

However, if you've been watching any at all this season, surely you've seen the healthy dose of 4 and 5-wide sets and the quarterbacks have been spending alot of time in the shotgun formation.

My complaint is that the Vols are not conservative enough sometimes. The past several years, they'll get inside the 5-yard line and then line up with no running back, spread the field and throw the ball. The result is usually a penalty or turnover resulting in a field goal attempt. Not only is that not SEC football.... its not smart football either.

 

[gonygonygo]

Wow, I like you guys, everyone else thinks our plays are too conservative. what a change of heart?!

I agree, our quarterbacks just haven't been able to handle what they were given. That explains the poor offensive production. Everything goes through the quarterback.

 

[allvol]

Originally posted by orangetd88@Nov 3, 2005 3:37 PM
dumbed down or not, it worked for him last year.

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I agree. I also think that is the coaches responsibility to bring the players along slowly so that they can comprehend the offense. We've heard it over and over the last few years about the receivers. Casey used to complain all the time. Now its the quarterbacks. However, just because the QB knows the entire playbook... if the rest of the team doesn't, they don't jell. Cutcliffe was very good at utilizing the talent he had to the fullest extent. 4 quarterbacks, almost 4 different styles of offense. Andy Kelly, Heath Shuler, Peyton Manning, and Tee Martin. Kelly and Manning were pocket passers and both had a very good grasp of the offense.... Shuler and Martin were more mobile, but probably didn't run the vast amount of plays like Kelly and Manning.

 

[Lexvol]

Originally posted by allvol@Nov 3, 2005 4:36 PM
I agree.  I also think that is the coaches responsibility to bring the players along slowly so that they can comprehend the offense.  We've heard it over and over the last few years about the receivers.  Casey used to complain all the time.  Now its the quarterbacks.  However, just because the QB knows the entire playbook... if the rest of the team doesn't, they don't jell.  Cutcliffe was very good at utilizing the talent he had to the fullest extent.  4 quarterbacks, almost 4 different styles of offense.  Andy Kelly, Heath Shuler, Peyton Manning, and Tee Martin.  Kelly and Manning were pocket passers and both had a very good grasp of the offense.... Shuler and Martin were more mobile, but probably didn't run the vast amount of plays like Kelly and Manning.

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Cut also openly admits that he tweaks the offense to its strengths.

 

[pedigovolfan]

Don't worry about the quarterback...Foster will gain 150+ and Mahelona and Simon will shut down the ND offense by sacking Quinn 7 times...book it...

GO VOLS