'24 AL EDGE Jordan Ross (Tennessee)

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#676
thunder5 said:
Just spit balling here…but off the top of my head I feel like opponents 3rd/4th down conversion rate is the most relevant stat for our D (besides the obvious…ppg)…all other stats are just window dressing IMO…are we getting off the field consistently or not is what matters most
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They track turnovers and negative plays as well. They also care about TDs versus FG%…. If we hold them to a field goal…. They consider it a win for the defense…
 
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Volfan39 said:
That number is heavily inflated because others teams have no choice but to throw it when they are down 21 in the first quarter, but I agree. The pass defense must be better, but passing yards allowed per game don’t show the full story. Would you say the defense played bad against Clemson? No, anybody with a brain would see how well they played against Clemson. Nobody gives a **** about passing yards when they don’t result in points.
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We knew teams were going to throw on us and Still couldn't stop them. It's much easier to defend one dimensional teams. UT Martin was probably the only game I listed that had backups in and probably a more prevent defense. The others were too close atleast half of the game for it to have been that. Honestly Slovis from Pitt was throwing all over us too before he got knocked out. He would have probably put up 325+. We have to get the backend of our Defense straight. It almost cost us the Ala and Fla games late.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
You would be 100% wrong, WE care very much about it. Most fans are very concerned about it and should be. Let me remind you what S.Car(438) (Ala 455) (Clemson 320) (Fla 453) ( TN Martin 316) (Ga 280 and hardly threw in the 2nd half) all threw for. I promise you it's a concern for the Coach's and the majority of Vol Nation.
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Teams have to throw a lot because they are behind by a whole lot. As the D gets more talented turnovers should go way up and less yardage given up. But there will probably always be a lot of passing yards so not the most important stat. The score is what to look at.
 
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thunder5 said:
Just spit balling here…but off the top of my head I feel like opponents 3rd/4th down conversion rate is the most relevant stat for our D (besides the obvious…ppg)…all other stats are just window dressing IMO…are we getting off the field consistently or not is what matters most
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Other than points, obviously, I look at 3rd down percentage, number of first downs, negative plays, turnovers.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
We knew teams were going to throw on us and Still couldn't stop them. It's much easier to defend one dimensional teams. UT Martin was probably the only game I listed that had backups in and probably a more prevent defense. The others were too close atleast half of the game for it to have been that. Honestly Slovis from Pitt was throwing all over us too before he got knocked out. He would have probably put up 325+. We have to get the backend of our Defense straight. It almost cost us the Ala and Fla games late.
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Do y oh think the defense played bad in the Clemson game. I actually agree on almost all of your points, but in the Clemson game passing yards don’t tell the story at all.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
We knew teams were going to throw on us and Still couldn't stop them. It's much easier to defend one dimensional teams. UT Martin was probably the only game I listed that had backups in and probably a more prevent defense. The others were too close atleast half of the game for it to have been that. Honestly Slovis from Pitt was throwing all over us too before he got knocked out. He would have probably put up 325+. We have to get the backend of our Defense straight. It almost cost us the Ala and Fla games late.
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And we were 11-2. Final score is the only stat that really matters. 11-2 without the talent we’re going to have. Why torture yourself?
 
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sjt18 said:
I think the combination of 1st downs allowed and 3rd down conversion points us toward the D being unable to get off the field as efficiently as they need to. I am definitely still "wait and see" on Banks. The O has performed. STs have performed. The D has performed at times and then been a liability at other times.

The problem isn't that they never do things well... and sometimes extremely well. It is that they also have times when they do things very, very poorly. The deeper we get the less that can be blamed on talent or even position coaches.
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personally I don't care how long they hold the ball or how many yards they get. Its points that matter to me. and we were pretty good there.

I would have to see some crazy math to really prove this, but my thoughts is I would rather the other team have the ball for a long time, and get nothing, out of fewer drives. Rather than hold them to nothing, and give them more drives. Even if the percentages are lower, more opportunities will equal that out real fast.

it would be different if we were rocking the '08 defense and could reliably hold people to 3 and outs. but we have a long way to go before we can get to that level of defense, and as such the bend don't break methodology seems to work.
 
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SweetasSoda said:
Teams have to throw a lot because they are behind by a whole lot. As the D gets more talented turnovers should go way up and less yardage given up. But there will probably always be a lot of passing yards so not the most important stat. The score is what to look at.
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people also threw a lot on Georgia, and they had a good/great defense. Its more about situations rather than weaknesses.

actually their pass D when you look at the raw numbers, doesn't look great. They were 54th in pass D based on yardage. I don't think anyone would really hate on Georgia's pass D.
 
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LouderVol said:
personally I don't care how long they hold the ball or how many yards they get. Its points that matter to me. and we were pretty good there.

I would have to see some crazy math to really prove this, but my thoughts is I would rather the other team have the ball for a long time, and get nothing, out of fewer drives. Rather than hold them to nothing, and give them more drives. Even if the percentages are lower, more opportunities will equal that out real fast.

it would be different if we were rocking the '08 defense and could reliably hold people to 3 and outs. but we have a long way to go before we can get to that level of defense, and as such the bend don't break methodology seems to work.
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My argument against that is that if the D can get off the field and let the O go to work then the Vols can jump out to a lead and control how the game is played. If an opponent gets behind then it takes them out of their O game plan and that is particularly bad for them if the plan is ball control.

I think the Steve Spurrier 1990's philosophy is much better considering the O. "Get me the ball back- turnover, punt, or opponent score... just get me the ball back". His simple and pretty effective idea was that he would score on a higher % of his possessions than the other side and that very few wanted to get in a race with him.
 
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aRmo said:
UGA's DBs did what they were coached to do that week. Jam WRs and hold. That threw timing off and it went downhill from there. You add in the penalties and rain and it was a disaster. I know we only lost by 14 points but it felt alot worse. I really wanted another shot at them on neutral ground.
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Absolutely.. GA had a good plan against us and the weather helped. I'm like you, we only lost by 14 but felt much worse and GA never worried about us going up and down the field on them. GA quit passing in the 2nd half after toilet wine boy threw all over us the 1st half. We gotta improve our secondary to beat teams like GA.
 
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sjt18 said:
My argument against that is that if the D can get off the field and let the O go to work then the Vols can jump out to a lead and control how the game is played. If an opponent gets behind then it takes them out of their O game plan and that is particularly bad for them if the plan is ball control.

I think the Steve Spurrier 1990's philosophy is much better considering the O. "Get me the ball back- turnover, punt, or opponent score... just get me the ball back". His simple and pretty effective idea was that he would score on a higher % of his possessions than the other side and that very few wanted to get in a race with him.
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I don't think ball control really works against us, just with how fast and efficient we are. Our scoring drives are typically less than 2 minutes, so we are going to be giving the ball back to their offense a lot as well. and I don't think ball control offense really works in our favor either.
We only won time of possession once against a real team. LSU, by like 30 seconds.
UGA we held the ball for 29 minutes.
Florida and Pitt were 25 minutes. those were both close games.
Mizzou, Vandy, Kentucky, Bama, Clemson, South Carolina, we held the ball for approx. 22 minutes.

looking at the numbers I don't see it as something that stands out as a point that would make a significant difference.

Even the one game where our defense crapped the bed, SC, they didn't beat us with long 10 play drives, most of their scores came pretty quickly. UGA was the same. pretty much every other game I checked our Defense faced multiple 10+ play drives, and we gave up pretty much no quick drives, that had to go the distance. If you look at past success it looks like we do better when our D is on the field longer, and forces longer drives. I don't think that you can ignore the results.

this isn't 3 yards and a cloud of dust offenses where you don't want long drives, and your offense needs 5 minutes to get downfield.
 
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#692
wmcovol said:
That was the philosophy when the defensive talent level (down) called for it. With the defensive recruiting in the last 2 classes, I’m not sure that will be the idea going forward.
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Exactly the bend but don’t break these past 2 years was crucial. And we still need to be stingy in the red zone, but I think you will see our D get off the field quicker overall in the years to come. Getting more talent and depth on D will only elevate our D. GBO!
 
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#693
MarcoVol said:
Now the complaints are about defense “almost costing us games that we won”.

Fun times in the off-season.
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The trolls and the miserables have to have something to talk about. Best season in over 20 years and crootin is picking up.


"Remember that game we lost and the other ones we almost lost. Waaaah!"

- Miserables.
 
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LouderVol said:
personally I don't care how long they hold the ball or how many yards they get. Its points that matter to me. and we were pretty good there.

I would have to see some crazy math to really prove this, but my thoughts is I would rather the other team have the ball for a long time, and get nothing, out of fewer drives. Rather than hold them to nothing, and give them more drives. Even if the percentages are lower, more opportunities will equal that out real fast.

it would be different if we were rocking the '08 defense and could reliably hold people to 3 and outs. but we have a long way to go before we can get to that level of defense, and as such the bend don't break methodology seems to work.
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Points is the only stat that matter. Our defense is based on a bend but don't break mentality. The Orange Bowl was a great example of that. Clemson moved the ball between the twenties most of the night, but even with eleventy-five trips to our side of the field they only had 14 points at the end of the game and we had more.
 
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#696
volbeast33 said:
They track turnovers and negative plays as well. They also care about TDs versus FG%…. If we hold them to a field goal…. They consider it a win for the defense…
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With our offense, any time our defense holds the opponent to 3 or fewer points on a drive is a monumental success.
 
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#697
This could be wrong but assuming we land Bates and Warren, if we land Ross that should lock us in as a top 6 class. So Cal may sneak past us at 5 but Penn St and Notre Dame will be the only competition for 6
 
#698
#698
Abvolsfan92 said:
This could be wrong but assuming we land Bates and Warren, if we land Ross that should lock us in as a top 6 class. So Cal may sneak past us at 5 but Penn St and Notre Dame will be the only competition for 6
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Texas will be near if not in the top 5. They have several highly rated guys that they will close with soon. Ou “may” come close if everything falls right for them. A&m (🏧) will be pushing up there too. If we want top 5, we need to get warren, ross, franklin, wingo and flip someone like rushing or fountain.

Uga, osu, bama are locked for top 5 finishes. That leaves 2 for remaining top 10.
 
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#699
#Vol4Life1991 said:
Texas will be near if not in the top 5. They have several highly rated guys that they will close with soon. Ou “may” come close if everything falls right for them. A&m (🏧) will be pushing up there too. If we want top 5, we need to get warren, ross, franklin, wingo and flip someone like rushing or fountain.

Uga, osu, bama are locked for top 5 finishes. That leaves 2 for remaining top 10.
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I could be wrong but don't think there are enough recruits left for OU or Texas to make a push for the top 5 they could round out the top 10. Texas A&M is the wildcard but as of now they don't have many top names left on their board
 
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#700
Abvolsfan92 said:
I could be wrong but don't think there are enough recruits left for OU or Texas to make a push for the top 5 they could round out the top 10. Texas A&M is the wildcard but as of now they don't have many top names left on their board
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Texas has 2 5* (black & simmons) that will commit to them soon. Wingo is on their board (another 5*), and they have 3-5 more 4*s that will probably commit to them as well. And thats not counting any flips.
David stone and william (both 5*) have ou in their top 2 and some 4*s that will commit to them. They will need some flips as well to get into the top 5. Probably not going to transpire, but theres pathway for them.
 
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