Alabama Baseball betting suspended by the State of Ohio

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Sounds like they have credible evidence of fixing by Alabama players. I don't know much, but I have a lifelong personal friend who, many years ago, discovered that some players were points shaving for the mob. I actually met the guy that did it, in his old age. They're both dead now. To me at least, I can understand that it's real. You need financially poor players to make it work, and baseball is a sport that has lots of potential for one player to change the outcome of a game. It does seem strange, though, if Alabama is at fault, that they had to rally after the bets were placed. It doesn't make much sense there.
 
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Apparently a large bet came in before the Ohio books were made aware that Holman had been scratched. Now, how is it that someone felt that much better about Skenes vs Banks as opposed to Skenes vs Holman? I barely follow college baseball, but that shift in confidence is baffling to me.
 
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Firebirdparts said:
Sounds like they have credible evidence of fixing by Alabama players. I don't know much, but I have a lifelong personal friend who, many years ago, discovered that some players were points shaving for the mob. I actually met the guy that did it, in his old age. They're both dead now. To me at least, I can understand that it's real. You need financially poor players to make it work, and baseball is a sport that has lots of potential for one player to change the outcome of a game.
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Bama darn near made a late comeback from a seven run hole. That's a weird way to fix a game.
 
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Matthew T. Schuler, the executive director of the commission, issued an emergency order banning "the acceptance of any wagers on University of Alabama baseball effective immediately." The commission received information from one of its certified independent integrity monitors about suspicious wagers made on Alabama baseball. ESPN reported it involved Friday's game against LSU, which the Crimson Tide lost 8-6.

Alabama starting pitcher Luke Holman was a late scratch, according to the UA game notes. Reliever Hagan Banks replaced him. Coach Brad Bohannon said postgame that Banks found out an hour before the game he was going to start.

Two bets were placed on LSU during its matchup against the Crimson Tide on Friday that triggered the Ohio gambling regulators to halt betting on college baseball games involving Alabama.
 
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Firebirdparts said:
Sounds like they have credible evidence of fixing by Alabama players. I don't know much, but I have a lifelong personal friend who, many years ago, discovered that some players were points shaving for the mob. I actually met the guy that did it, in his old age. They're both dead now. To me at least, I can understand that it's real. You need financially poor players to make it work, and baseball is a sport that has lots of potential for one player to change the outcome of a game. It does seem strange, though, if Alabama is at fault, that they had to rally after the bets were placed. It doesn't make much sense there.
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Henry Hill involved?
 
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Always nice to see Bamawriter come out to defend everything Bama. LOL. Now can you explain to us how Matt Self (Alabama Administrator for the football program) was really the victim. I’m sure he was just scared since that is the normal excuse for Alabama people hitting women.
 
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OrangeVolMan said:
Always nice to see Bamawriter come out to defend everything Bama. LOL. Now can you explain to us how Matt Self (Alabama Administrator for the football program) was really the victim. I’m sure he was just scared since that is the normal excuse for Alabama people hitting women.
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So talking about the bet that was placed is "defending"... whom? I have no idea whether this bet was innocuous or illicit. And I don't follow baseball enough to care if this has any impact on Bama's season.

As for Self: I don't know anything beyond what's been reported. I know the guy, but not well. Certainly not well enough to form an opinion on the subject. If he did what is alleged, I hope he gets justice.
 
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WillisWG said:
Matthew T. Schuler, the executive director of the commission, issued an emergency order banning "the acceptance of any wagers on University of Alabama baseball effective immediately." The commission received information from one of its certified independent integrity monitors about suspicious wagers made on Alabama baseball. ESPN reported it involved Friday's game against LSU, which the Crimson Tide lost 8-6.

Alabama starting pitcher Luke Holman was a late scratch, according to the UA game notes. Reliever Hagan Banks replaced him. Coach Brad Bohannon said postgame that Banks found out an hour before the game he was going to start.

Two bets were placed on LSU during its matchup against the Crimson Tide on Friday that triggered the Ohio gambling regulators to halt betting on college baseball games involving Alabama.
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So sports betting is legal in Ohio (there's a comission that governs it)?
I assume there's some sort of Federal law allowing it in Tennessee and elsewhere (since the state constitution forbids it except for the lottery)
 
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woodpusher said:
So sports betting is legal in Ohio (there's a comission that governs it)?
I assume there's some sort of Federal law allowing it in Tennessee and elsewhere (since the state constitution forbids it except for the lottery)
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Feds regulate certain types of gambling (interstate) but there's no fed law against gambling, each state determines what kind of gambling is allowed or isn't within its borders.
 
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OrangeVolMan said:
Always nice to see Bamawriter come out to defend everything Bama. LOL. Now can you explain to us how Matt Self (Alabama Administrator for the football program) was really the victim. I’m sure he was just scared since that is the normal excuse for Alabama people hitting women.
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He was scared due to the situation he was in obviously. Alabama men are terrified of women apparently.
 
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Firebirdparts said:
Sounds like they have credible evidence of fixing by Alabama players. I don't know much, but I have a lifelong personal friend who, many years ago, discovered that some players were points shaving for the mob. I actually met the guy that did it, in his old age. They're both dead now. To me at least, I can understand that it's real. You need financially poor players to make it work, and baseball is a sport that has lots of potential for one player to change the outcome of a game. It does seem strange, though, if Alabama is at fault, that they had to rally after the bets were placed. It doesn't make much sense there.
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Not necessarily. I mean, that is certainly a possibility, but I think it is just a general fear that somebody knew something that wasn't publicly known and a book could be on the wrong side of it.

It wouldn't even necessarily have to be fixing by a particular player(s) or official(s); it could be something more akin to insider trading. Maybe somebody leaked the info to a bettor that the Bama pitcher was going to be out before books and the public knew, that guy placed a massive bet accordingly, and now the sportsbook's book is way unbalanced for that game. Any very large bet on any less-commonly followed sport is kind of suspicious, IMO.
 
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Doesn't it suggest that someone---a bettor or bettors--was made aware that Bama's starting pitcher would be scratched? Which could mean
that the bettor(s) were tipped off by someone inside the bama program--illegal--or it could be something more innocent such as someone in the program
telling a friend or family member about the pitching change, who then either made the bet or innocently passed the info along to others who made the bets based on their knowledge that the starter would be scratched. A very late lineup change involving a key player, as was the case here, can certainly be suspicious when irregular betting activity is involved.
 
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turbovol said:
Doesn't it suggest that someone---a bettor or bettors--was made aware that Bama's starting pitcher would be scratched? Which could mean
that the bettor(s) were tipped off by someone inside the bama program--illegal--or it could be something more innocent such as someone in the program
telling a friend or family member about the pitching change, who then either made the bet or innocently passed the info along to others who made the bets based on their knowledge that the starter would be scratched. A very late lineup change involving a key player, as was the case here, can certainly be suspicious when irregular betting activity is involved.
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Given that Bama's SP was publicly announced as being scratched really shortly after the bet was placed, that would seem most likely. The leaking of that news itself could have been innocent or nefarious.

If the game was fixed, it would seem more likely that the massive bet would have been placed, and then no news would follow.
 
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turbovol said:
Doesn't it suggest that someone---a bettor or bettors--was made aware that Bama's starting pitcher would be scratched? Which could mean
that the bettor(s) were tipped off by someone inside the bama program--illegal--or it could be something more innocent such as someone in the program
telling a friend or family member about the pitching change, who then either made the bet or innocently passed the info along to others who made the bets based on their knowledge that the starter would be scratched. A very late lineup change involving a key player, as was the case here, can certainly be suspicious when irregular betting activity is involved.
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It's actually not illegal, but books certainly don't like it.
 
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