Alabama - Zero Penalties

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#51
Nope. Not even close. Not a single fan in here says the refs caused Bammer to beat Tennessee.

The thread, gump, was about the fact that apparently Bammer now plays perfect games. No infractions. At all. For 60 minutes. No holds. No false starts. Nothing.

Try and keep up, ‘Kay?
 
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VolInNW said:
Nope. Not even close. Not a single fan in here says the refs caused Bammer to beat Tennessee.

The thread, gump, was about the fact that apparently Bammer now plays perfect games. No infractions. At all. For 60 minutes. No holds. No false starts. Nothing.

Try and keep up, ‘Kay?
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I presume you're speaking to me? I presume because you didn't quote my comments. Let's go, guy, try to keep up with the program. Now, back to the main point:

No one says or does anything without a motive. I simply revealed yours and your buddies.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
I presume you're speaking to me? I presume because you didn't quote my comments. Let's go, guy, try to keep up with the program. Now, back to the main point:

No one says or does anything without a motive. I simply revealed yours and your buddies.
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Simple question, was the Bama/MSU game called fairly in your opinion?
 
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For those with short attention spans, this is in response to TUSKTimes

There was no motive, just incredulity that the amazing grace extended by SEC officials toward Alabubba has now hit the point where they just simply don’t call anything.

Bammer is talented enough to win w/o biased officiating. The fact remains that SEC officiating of Bammer is quite simply ridiculous.
 
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There’s something to this. All season long questionable and terrible calls and no calls have gone in their favor. All. Season. Long. Hell for years now it seems like they have been given special treatment but this year is horrendously obvious. Something needs to be done about this clear bias. They already are the best team, do they really need refs clearly in their pocket? You honestly can’t argue it anymore, that MSU game made it obvious to anyone with at least half a brain.
 
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UTK said:
There’s something to this. All season long questionable and terrible calls and no calls have gone in their favor. All. Season. Long. Hell for years now it seems like they have been given special treatment but this year is horrendously obvious. Something needs to be done about this clear bias. They already are the best team, do they really need refs clearly in their pocket? You honestly can’t argue it anymore, that MSU game made it obvious to anyone with at least half a brain.
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You sound like LSU. What did you think of the helmet to helmet hit by Delpit on Henry Ruggs that didn't draw a targeting penalty? The tiger's offensive line was getting beat like a rented mule all night and they were literally jerking our guys to the ground. They had 3 penalties on the entire team all night. There's some SEC bias for you.
 
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rjd970 said:
How many Bama players have had to sit out because of targeting calls this year? Genuinely interested, because I can't find the numbers. That is probably the most subjective call, so it would say a lot about how it gets called and on who.

Unless I'm reading this wrong, Bama is the second least penalized team in the SEC (48th Nationally) behind LSU (47th Nationally).

College Football Stats - College FB Team Penalties per Game on TeamRankings.com.
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So, no examples?
 
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No one is saying that Bama beat TN because of the refs. No one is saying that Bama needs the refs to win.

But it’s equally clear something is happening, too many non calls or questionable calls going Bama’s way. I don’t know what, maybe they want Bama to dominate so badly that they don’t want close games? Maybe they all want to protect their cash cow.

But there is no way Bama is that perfect or that lucky. Something is going on.
 
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Nerwen Aldarion said:
No one is saying that Bama beat TN because of the refs. No one is saying that Bama needs the refs to win.

But it’s equally clear something is happening, too many non calls or questionable calls going Bama’s way. I don’t know what, maybe they want Bama to dominate so badly that they don’t want close games? Maybe they all want to protect their cash cow.

But there is no way Bama is that perfect or that lucky. Something is going on.
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Did you watch either the Mizzou or LSU games? Particularly Mizzou, since it was the same crew as Miss St.

No one says anything when Bama is on the raw end of bad officiating because it rarely affects the final score.
 
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bamawriter said:
Did you watch either the Mizzou or LSU games? Particularly Mizzou, since it was the same crew as Miss St.

No one says anything when Bama is on the raw end of bad officiating because it rarely affects the final score.
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Yes I did, which is why I feel there is something going on.

I get it, it’s your team. I’d feel the same way if this was TN I’m sure. But it doesn’t change the fact there is something fishy. You’ll call it sour grapes, go ahead.
 
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bamawriter said:
So, no examples?
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Bama has benefitted from targeting calls and non-calls all year. More so than any other conference team. That is a fact unless you bring objective data to the table stating otherwise and I would love to see it.

Bama is one spot behind LSU nationally as the least penalized team in the conference. That is indeed a fact unless you bring objective data to the table proving otherwise.

Bama had clear and undeniable benefits from the officiating this past Saturday. It’s debatable whether that impacted the final outcome, but it is a fact it affected the final score.

There are your examples.
 
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bamawriter said:
Did you watch either the Mizzou or LSU games? Particularly Mizzou, since it was the same crew as Miss St.

No one says anything when Bama is on the raw end of bad officiating because it rarely affects the final score.
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Exactly the point. It did affect the final score when Bama benefitted this past Saturday. It may or may not have affected who won the game, but the score absolutely was. Called fairly, MSU could have been a legitimate threat. At least 7, if not 14 points were swung in Bama's favor on officiating calls alone.
 
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Bama’s RT holding and throwing UT’s DE to the ground right in front of the ref was the most obvious call you could make.

Bama is dominate but to say they don’t commit penalties is straight up comical.
 
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Nerwen Aldarion said:
Yes I did, which is why I feel there is something going on.

I get it, it’s your team. I’d feel the same way if this was TN I’m sure. But it doesn’t change the fact there is something fishy. You’ll call it sour grapes, go ahead.
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Okay. So you watched those games. What is it that you think is going on?
 
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rjd970 said:
Bama has benefitted from targeting calls and non-calls all year. More so than any other conference team. That is a fact unless you bring objective data to the table stating otherwise and I would love to see it.
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And? Other than White, which I will admit was bad, which of those calls was bad? Further, Austin's crew seemed determined to make up for White by overturning a textbook targetting call on Delpin early in the Bama game.

Bama is one spot behind LSU nationally as the least penalized team in the conference. That is indeed a fact unless you bring objective data to the table proving otherwise.
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And? Where should Bama be ranked?

Bama had clear and undeniable benefits from the officiating this past Saturday. It’s debatable whether that impacted the final outcome, but it is a fact it affected the final score.
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Debate it then. I'd appreciate the perspective of 2 bad calls erasing a 24-0 win.
 
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At the very least I would like to see accountability for the blatant wrong calls. For instance, that official in the Bama/MSU game should have to explain exactly what it is he saw on the MSU TD. Also, given his family ties to the University, he should never be allowed to call a Bama game. The optics aren't good when calls like that are made.
 
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rjd970 said:
Exactly the point. It did affect the final score when Bama benefitted this past Saturday. It may or may not have affected who won the game, but the score absolutely was. Called fairly, MSU could have been a legitimate threat. At least 7, if not 14 points were swung in Bama's favor on officiating calls alone.
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And if the same crew had not botched the Mizzou game, Bama wins 50-10. Why not complain about that one?
 
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LouderVol said:
You are asking him to prove a negative, with the no-calls. he could pull literally any film of any Bama play that didn't draw a flag and use it as an example.
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Okay. Let's see it. Honestly, I just need a rough time reference, as I have all the games available to pull up.
 
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If I understand this, we have two gumps in here trying to argue that SEC officiating is not biased towards Bammer. When I think about the number of outright tackles of DL by Bammer OL that occur on nearly every Bammer play from scrimmage, I just have to chuckle.
 
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bamawriter said:
And? Other than White, which I will admit was bad, which of those calls was bad? Further, Austin's crew seemed determined to make up for White by overturning a textbook targetting call on Delpin early in the Bama game.
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Bama's benefit from Targeting Calls this year:

1. Alabama vs A&M:
Senior DB Donovan Wilson.
7 career INTs. 2nd on team in tackles. 19 career tackles for loss.
Ejected for Targeting with 4:00 left in First quarter.
Referee is Matt Loeffler.

2. Alabama vs Missouri:
SR MLB Terez Hall.
Team Captain. Butkus and Nagurski nominee.
Ejected for Targeting with 9:00 left in Second quarter.
Referee is David Smith

3. Alabama vs Tennessee:
Back Up to Previous Game ... Tennessee vs Auburn:
JR MLB Daniel Bituli.
UT’s leading tackler.
Ejected for Targeting with 3:00 left in the game at the end of a Tennessee blowout win.
Referee is Matt Austin.
Bituli misses first half vs Alabama.

Alontae Taylor, UT's top 2 DB tossed for targeting on the first series of the game.

4. Alabama vs LSU:
Back up to previous game ... LSU vs Mississippi State
JR ILB Devin White.
Permanent Team Captain.
Pre-season All-American. Butkus, Bednarik, Nagurski nominee
Ejected for Targeting with 5:00 left in the game in a blowout LSU win.
Referee is John McDaid.
White misses first half vs Alabama.

Also...this is a ridiculous non-call and even worse when you compare it to what has and hasn't been called all year:



There are my examples. There is a real and clear trend here. Please refute. I mean, is Bama just the luckiest team in the conference with targeting calls?

bamawriter said:
And? Where should Bama be ranked?
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I don't know. You asked for examples, and there's one that helps my case. Refute it or provide examples otherwise.

bamawriter said:
Debate it then. I'd appreciate the perspective of 2 bad calls erasing a 24-0 win.
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I'm not saying I believe it affected the outcome. I am saying, however, it affected the final score. Take away Bama's TD when they fumbled, and give MSU the TD they scored, and its a different ballgame.
 
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