Alec Baldwin to be charged with Involuntary manslaughter

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hndog609 said:
I'm just putting forth what to expect will be a large part of the defense IMO. (The civil suit as a producer will be another matter) Remains to be seen how much traction that might get with a jury.

I'll add that blanks have a very limited range for causing harm, much less lethality. At point blank (heh heh) range there is sill an expulsion (sort of like you don't really want a finger next to a cylinder gap on a magnum revolver) but without any real mass to speak of any energy dissipates very quickly.
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It's been posted in other threads but there are multiple cases of actors being killed by blanks. It's not like it's never happened and couldnt be foreseen by all involved.

To have hit two different people says he must have been fairly close, or just the most unlucky guy ever to hit two people with one bullet. Maybe close enough where a blank is dangerous. Which imo would lean towards more culpability.
 
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LouderVol said:
It's been posted in other threads but there are multiple cases of actors being killed by blanks. It's not like it's never happened and couldnt be foreseen by all involved.

To have hit two different people says he must have been fairly close, or just the most unlucky guy ever to hit two people with one bullet. Maybe close enough where a blank is dangerous. Which imo would lean towards more culpability.
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I think you're missing the case I'm (well, actually what I'm expecting from the defense) making. The contention will be that it is precisely that risks have been identified that safety isn't up to the actors. There are professionals paid on hand for exactly the purpose of maintaining prop safety. How well that plays in court we'll have to wait and see.

Unless I'm badly mistaken about the events the live round fired was an actual .45LC which (again, as I understand) struck one person in the shoulder and passed through to the person immediately behind while both were looking at a camera monitor. Even beyond the obvious issues with having a live round in a set prop is the complete WTF of live rounds even being there in the first place. It's an epic fail by the safety personnel.
 
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hndog609 said:
I think you're missing the case I'm (well, actually what I'm expecting from the defense) making. The contention will be that it is precisely that risks have been identified that safety isn't up to the actors. There are professionals paid on hand for exactly the purpose of maintaining prop safety. How well that plays in court we'll have to wait and see.

Unless I'm badly mistaken about the events the live round fired was an actual .45LC which (again, as I understand) struck one person in the shoulder and passed through to the person immediately behind while both were looking at a camera monitor. Even beyond the obvious issues with having a live round in a set prop is the complete WTF of live rounds even being there in the first place. It's an epic fail by the safety personnel.
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I dont think the culpability of that armourer or safety person absolves Alec Baldwin. It's a firearm, all parties are responsible. Unless they can prove intent by the armourer to have a live round on set. If it was a setup,sure AB is innocent. But I doubt that is the case.
 
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LouderVol said:
I dont think the culpability of that armourer or safety person absolves Alec Baldwin. It's a firearm, all parties are responsible. Unless they can prove intent by the armourer to have a live round on set. If it was a setup,sure AB is innocent. But I doubt that is the case.
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Short of a plea that'll be a jury's decision to accept or deny. Assuming of course that is in fact the groundwork for what the defense will present. (that's just me speculating)
 
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I don’t think anybody gets convicted in that situation. Pretty surprised that anybody thought he was guilty of any crime. The armor needs about 15 years in prison, though.
 
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Whelp, I'm guessing everyone is shocked, SHOCKED that it got dropped

Alec Baldwin's criminal charges for fatal 'Rust' shooting to be dropped: lawyers

I am sure liberals would be screaming if it was on the other foot so to speak but I personally can't see manslaughter as appropriate here. Criminal negligence would have always been a better fit for him. As it is, they should sue the hell out of him but manslaughter was always a stretch by the prosecutor IMO.
 
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Let’s face it, this could be a good thing for him, have a trial, find him guilty he’ll probably pay a fine and maybe a few days in jail, find him innocent it’ll all be behind him. Until there is a trial this will hound him
 
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