Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

[DC_Vol]

 

[davethevol]

Wow.

 

[evillawyer]

I know the AOC haters will love this

 

[volfanjustin]

it has to be hard work to be that loony

 

[0nelilreb]

I know the AOC haters will love this

I don’t think you understand , there’s no AOC hate that I’ve seen . I actually haven’t heard one person say they hate her . Now we think shes loony , cra cra , goofy , inexperienced , and so daffy at times that it rivals Pelosi and her ramblings but no hate .

 

[37L1]

I don’t think you understand , there’s no AOC hate that I’ve seen . I actually haven’t heard one person say they hate her . Now we think shes loony , cra cra , goofy , inexperienced , and so daffy at times that it rivals Pelosi and her ramblings but no hate .

Her road is paved with good intentions.

 

[joevol33]

And people think we laugh cause we're"scared" of her. Haha, okay.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I don’t think you understand , there’s no AOC hate that I’ve seen . I actually haven’t heard one person say they hate her . Now we think shes loony , cra cra , goofy , inexperienced , and so daffy at times that it rivals Pelosi and her ramblings but no hate .

I find her delightfully entertaining.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

Why does she look like she’s about 8 years old? The guy beside her is about three times her size.

 

[AM64]

it has to be hard work to be that loony

Hard to say after seeing what passes for comedy and self help these days. Don't forget, too, that reality shows apparently have a great following. She's definitely way out on the fringe, but I don't think the gap between fringe and "normal" is that big these days.

 

[AM64]

I don’t think you understand , there’s no AOC hate that I’ve seen . I actually haven’t heard one person say they hate her . Now we think shes loony , cra cra , goofy , inexperienced , and so daffy at times that it rivals Pelosi and her ramblings but no hate .

Yep, and you have to figure that with all the exposure she has to cameras and mics that at some point the term "scared straight" will start applying to some of the non hardcore libs.

 

[volfanjustin]

Hard to say after seeing what passes for comedy and self help these days. Don't forget, too, that reality shows apparently have a great following. She's definitely way out on the fringe, but I don't think the gap between fringe and "normal" is that big these days.

It's not, this younger group of radicals now own the party. A moderate like Webb or Manchin could never get the nomination for President and now they are close to where Hillary,Pelosi etc aren't far left enough. Let that sink in

 

[05_never_again]

It's not, this younger group of radicals now own the party. A moderate like Webb or Manchin could never get the nomination for President and now they are close to where Hillary,Pelosi etc aren't far left enough. Let that sink in

Kasich, Rob Portman, Lindsey Graham, Jeff Flake, or Romney would never get the nomination for their Party today either. Given that Romney did get the nomination just 7 years ago, I think that shows a pretty big shift in the Republican Party as well, at least in terms of the rhetoric and how they've positioned themselves politically. And Trump has everything to do with that.

 

[volfanjustin]

Kasich, Rob Portman, Lindsey Graham, Jeff Flake, or Romney would never get the nomination for their Party today either. Given that Romney did get the nomination just 7 years ago, I think that shows a pretty big shift in the Republican Party as well, at least in terms of the rhetoric and how they've positioned themselves politically. And Trump has everything to do with that.

How do you think Trump has changed the party? By the way I agree it's changed and in my opinion thats a good thing

 

[AM64]

It's not, this younger group of radicals now own the party. A moderate like Webb or Manchin could never get the nomination for President and now they are close to where Hillary,Pelosi etc aren't far left enough. Let that sink in

They've created a monster; I can't see anyway they can unify the hard left with the moderates. It's going to be tough for the Dims to find someone who appeals to their entire spectrum; and the GOP will benefit, if they don't keep shooting themselves in the foot like they have done the past few election cycles.

 

[LouderVol]

Why does she look like she’s about 8 years old? The guy beside her is about three times her size.

wow, i didn't watch the video before, but you are right. she looks tiny. the perspective can't be that bad. even the woman across from her looks twice her size.

 

[05_never_again]

How do you think Trump has changed the party? By the way I agree it's changed and in my opinion thats a good thing

He's given it a decidedly populist bent skeptical of internationalism and globalization. If there is one phrase of his that best sums up his philosophy, it is probably "I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris."

 

[volfanjustin]

He's given it a decidedly populist bent skeptical of internationalism and globalization. If there is one phrase of his that best sums up his philosophy, it is probably "I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris."

I think that plays well with most of middle America and if the Rs keep nominating that kind of thinking I believe that's a winner. I think Nikki Haley will be the next nominee whenever that is because I think she is the only one who can continue that kind of policy

 

[05_never_again]

I think that plays well with most of middle America and if the Rs keep nominating that kind of thinking I believe that's a winner. I think Nikki Haley will be the next nominee whenever that is because I think she is the only one who can continue that kind of policy

It absolutely plays well to Middle America while also doing enough to retain the support of establishment Republicans, who care more about things like tax cuts and deregulation. Donald has to be careful how far he pushes the tariff stuff though - he has factions in the party with differing thoughts on that issue.

I am really curious to see if Trumpism outlasts Trump. Has he permanently moved the Party in this direction, or will it revert to more of its former self after he's gone? I don't think it is a foregone conclusion his style of Republicanism persists. The demographic trends don't necessarily favor Republicans over the next 15-30 years, and they will need to adjust their message because of that. Hispanics lean socially conservative and are entrepreneurial and enterprising. There is a message Republicans can concoct to appeal to them, but Dems currently have the upper hand there because immigration is the dominant issue in that community. Republicans ultimately need to try and shift it away from that.

Haley is plausible as a future nominee - she's become more known to the general public over the last few years, has Republican bonafides, and would insulate the GOP from charges that it is racist and sexist if she's the nominee.

 

[AM64]

Kasich, Rob Portman, Lindsey Graham, Jeff Flake, or Romney would never get the nomination for their Party today either. Given that Romney did get the nomination just 7 years ago, I think that shows a pretty big shift in the Republican Party as well, at least in terms of the rhetoric and how they've positioned themselves politically. And Trump has everything to do with that.

The GOP has to move right; it has no choice. For one, if you start negotiating from the middle while the other party is extreme, you will be the loser. Compromise to the middle just isn't going to happen when you start with a radical and a moderate; the Dims fired first, and the GOP has no choice to react similarly. It's not good for the country, but that's the way it works, and there is no strong unifying force to swing things back because the Dims for all their faults are loyal to their causes and unwilling to compromise.

Trump won the primary not because he was really hard right, but because he showed more backbone, fortitude, and sheer power than all the opposing GOP dwarves combined ... meaning he had the best chance of all the contestants to beat Hiliary. Romney was a stuck up wimp; a complete loser who simply reeked of wealth and with a big corncob shoved so far up he couldn't bend ... absolutely no way that clown could be a winner. McCain had lost what people saw in him when he first went to congress; again a non winner. In fact, there's not a single GOP lifetime politician that could likely pass the smell test. The GOP is going to have to find more outsiders like Trump (but hopefully a lot less sleazy and someone with a modicum of intelligence and communication skill).

 

[AM64]

I tend to agree with you on Nikki Haley, she's relatively fresh as far as the national stage goes, and I really like the part about Trump saying he was there to represent Pittsburgh, not Paris. If only he'd added "and certainly not there to cater to Beijing".

 

[05_never_again]

The GOP has to move right; it has no choice. For one, if you start negotiating from the middle while the other party is extreme, you will be the loser. Compromise to the middle just isn't going to happen when you start with a radical and a moderate; the Dims fired first, and the GOP has no choice to react similarly. It's not good for the country, but that's the way it works, and there is no strong unifying force to swing things back because the Dims for all their faults are loyal to their causes and unwilling to compromise.

Trump won the primary not because he was really hard right, but because he showed more backbone, fortitude, and sheer power than all the opposing GOP dwarves combined ... meaning he had the best chance of all the contestants to beat Hiliary. Romney was a stuck up wimp; a complete loser who simply reeked of wealth and with a big corncob shoved so far up he couldn't bend ... absolutely no way that clown could be a winner. McCain had lost what people saw in him when he first went to congress; again a non winner. In fact, there's not a single GOP lifetime politician that could likely pass the smell test. The GOP is going to have to find more outsiders like Trump (but hopefully a lot less sleazy and someone with a modicum of intelligence and communication skill).

The Dems would tell you it is the GOP that has moved right (at least in rhetoric - in practice the parties are pretty similar). They'll point to things like in the recent past (early 90s) the GOP floated an Obamacare-like health insurance proposal. They nominated a Presidential candidate just a few years ago who signed a plan similar to Obamacare into law in his state as Governor.

Now, the Republicans nominated a Presidential candidate who called for a ban on all Muslims entering the country, was a Birther during the Obama Presidency, and doesn't believe CO2 is a contributor to global warming (this is much different that being skeptical about the proposed effectiveness of various schemes to do anything about it). This kind of stuff is really what drives them crazy, not tax cuts. It was has really energized the social justice left against him, and why they despise him so much.

What's funny though is that Trump is not that conservative at all on other issues - he's a self-described "tariff man," skeptical of foreign intervention and alliances, has been all over the map on abortion, simply referred to gay marriage as "settled law," and thinks legalization of marijuana should be left to states. In say an early 2000s Republican Party, those positions would get him labeled as a RINO. Trump is really conservative and employs hardline rhetoric on his signature issue (immigration), and so he's always viewed through that lens. There are a whole host of positions that he actually isn't all that conservative at all on, because he doesn't really emphasize them.

I think that the rhetoric of both parties has moved towards the edges more or less in concert since about the mid-90s, slowly getting more divergent over time.

 

[AM64]

The Dems would tell you it is the GOP that has moved right (at least in rhetoric - in practice the parties are pretty similar). They'll point to things like in the recent past (early 90s) the GOP floated an Obamacare-like health insurance proposal. They nominated a Presidential candidate just a few years ago who signed a plan similar to Obamacare into law in his state as Governor.

Now, the Republicans nominated a Presidential candidate who called for a ban on all Muslims entering the country, was a Birther during the Obama Presidency, and doesn't believe CO2 is a contributor to global warming (this is much different that being skeptical about the proposed effectiveness of various schemes to do anything about it). This kind of stuff is really what drives them crazy, not tax cuts. It was has really energized the social justice left against him, and why they despise him so much.

What's funny though is that Trump is not that conservative at all on other issues - he's a self-described "tariff man," skeptical of foreign intervention and alliances, has been all over the map on abortion, simply referred to gay marriage as "settled law," and thinks legalization of marijuana should be left to states. In say an early 2000s Republican Party, those positions would get him labeled as a RINO. Trump is really conservative and employs hardline rhetoric on his signature issue (immigration), and so he's always viewed through that lens. There are a whole host of positions that he actually isn't all that conservative at all on, because he doesn't really emphasize them.

I think that the rhetoric of both parties has moved towards the edges more or less in concert since about the mid-90s, slowly getting more divergent over time.

I agree that Trump is pretty iffy on most things other than the social justice and immigration issues. I thought for a long time if the GOP made illegal immigration the single big issue that it could be a winner for them.

As far as tariffs, I tend to look at it differently ... sometimes being an engineer causes you to do that. I don't see that you can have a strong market if you don't have a well employed workforce. I don't see how you can have a good consumer base without good jobs to keep consumers employed and occupied, and I certainly don't see how you can accomplish that by exporting jobs. We did a lot of damage to ourselves over the years by continual inflationary wage increases that overpriced our labor with respect to the rest of the world. Inflation is nothing more than the dog chasing the tail and just as unproductive. But on the other hand you have to find a way to mitigate the problem rather than giving in to countries who have no ethics, who steal what we design, and artificially depress their own labor costs for competitive advantage.

 

[82_VOL_83]

It's not, this younger group of radicals now own the party. A moderate like Webb or Manchin could never get the nomination for President and now they are close to where Hillary,Pelosi etc aren't far left enough. Let that sink in

Could Trump and now this moron actually drive a third party? This might work out well in the long run.

 

[82_VOL_83]

The Dems would tell you it is the GOP that has moved right (at least in rhetoric - in practice the parties are pretty similar). They'll point to things like in the recent past (early 90s) the GOP floated an Obamacare-like health insurance proposal. They nominated a Presidential candidate just a few years ago who signed a plan similar to Obamacare into law in his state as Governor.

Now, the Republicans nominated a Presidential candidate who called for a ban on all Muslims entering the country, was a Birther during the Obama Presidency, and doesn't believe CO2 is a contributor to global warming (this is much different that being skeptical about the proposed effectiveness of various schemes to do anything about it). This kind of stuff is really what drives them crazy, not tax cuts. It was has really energized the social justice left against him, and why they despise him so much.

What's funny though is that Trump is not that conservative at all on other issues - he's a self-described "tariff man," skeptical of foreign intervention and alliances, has been all over the map on abortion, simply referred to gay marriage as "settled law," and thinks legalization of marijuana should be left to states. In say an early 2000s Republican Party, those positions would get him labeled as a RINO. Trump is really conservative and employs hardline rhetoric on his signature issue (immigration), and so he's always viewed through that lens. There are a whole host of positions that he actually isn't all that conservative at all on, because he doesn't really emphasize them.

I think that the rhetoric of both parties has moved towards the edges more or less in concert since about the mid-90s, slowly getting more divergent over time.

Wrong.