"All institutions transform into left-leaning entities"

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Favorite quote so far.

"Conquest argues that the leadership will always have objectives at odds with the organization's intended purpose, if for no other reason than that the leadership's continued employment and future power paradoxically depend upon never completely succeeding"
 
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Article comes across way more slanted than I initially thought it would. Seems the more I read the more it goes towards the deep end. Havent quiet got to luther foaming at the mouth at Trump yet, but I see it coming.
 
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Overall decent article for today's time. Uses quotes at the start to establish itself as reasonable and based on prior logic. But steadily falls apart and pulls away from those laws, while not avoiding some self awareness issues.

Premise=good
Follow thru=not so good
 
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I think I agree with the basic premise of the article in that corruption is pervasive in the leadership of any government or large valuable institution I just don’t buy into blaming the source of the corruption, the left.

I don’t think corruption assigns to a singular political ideology. Rather it will adopt whatever ideology it needs to in order to continue to propagate the corruption. That’s a choice of the corrupt individuals in leadership.
 
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LouderVol said:
Overall decent article for today's time. Uses quotes at the start to establish itself as reasonable and based on prior logic. But steadily falls apart and pulls away from those laws, while not avoiding some self awareness issues.

Premise=good
Follow thru=not so good
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I thought it had a decent theme of libertarianism and/or soft anarchy in it.

I also like the reverse of Thoreau's quote. Never considered it before.

Where did you see it pulling away and continuing to divert from the premise?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I think I agree with the basic premise of the article in that corruption is pervasive in the leadership of any government or large valuable institution I just don’t buy into blaming the source of the corruption, the left.

I don’t think corruption assigns to a singular political ideology. Rather it will adopt whatever ideology it needs to in order to continue to propagate the corruption. That’s a choice of the corrupt individuals in leadership.
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Very well said .
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I think I agree with the basic premise of the article in that corruption is pervasive in the leadership of any government or large valuable institution I just don’t buy into blaming the source of the corruption, the left.

I don’t think corruption assigns to a singular political ideology. Rather it will adopt whatever ideology it needs to in order to continue to propagate the corruption. That’s a choice of the corrupt individuals in leadership.
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do you have a couple examples of corrupt institutions which evolved right-leaning or more right-leaning which came to your mind?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
The NRA? That is the goto example I’d submit.
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That might be a great example. I am not part of NRA and only am aware of them indirectly.

How do you see them becoming more right and how are they corrupt (or being corrupted)?
 
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hog88 said:
I'd have to disagree with you on that one. I think it has moved left and is absolutely corrupt.
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Since I asked him to "make his case". Make your case supporting drifting left and in what ways is it corrupt.
 
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McDad said:
That might be a great example. I am not part of NRA and only am aware of them indirectly.

How do you see them becoming more right and how are they corrupt (or being corrupted)?
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Their leadership is the definition of corruption. Wayne LaPierre and his lieutenants are grifters and need to be run out of town on a rail.

Back in the day they promoted firearm education and responsible ownership. Its very disingenuous for leftist idiots to imply any large majority of educated firearm owners not promoting responsible ownership. But they do.

The NRA used to not care if you voted Democrat or Republican, they just promoted firearm education. In fact look at Texas, back in the LBJ days it was solid blue... and heavily entrenched in firearm ownership.

In the modern era that ideology has been assigned to the right predominantly and you see that in the NRAs messaging. Their far right messaging is solely to extort their base for more funds to fight off the progressive boogeyman. And it’s effective messaging.

Honestly I don’t see 2a support being Democrat or Republican. It’s one of those fundamental Libertarian points. I’m granted ownership rights in the Constitution and the government needs to leave those rights alone. It’s become a Republican issue if for no other reason than a counter to the far left firearm confiscation narrative, it’s just reactionary. Thus the NRA feeds that far right ideology as there are far more Republicans to extort than their are self acknowledged Libertarians. Just my humble opinion.
 
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hog88 said:
I'd have to disagree with you on that one. I think it has moved left and is absolutely corrupt.
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Well you’re finally wrong then! 😎

They are just corrupt. They’ll be whatever huckleberry you need to give them money.
 
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The private sector has a form of purging that results in continual shifting of resources to more productive entities.

The public sector (at least at the Federal level) has the opposite since resources (funding) are unlimited and those who control the funding fear canceling some favored yet nonproductive entity.
 
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hog88 said:
If they were moving further right they wouldn't be playing to any base to feed their corrupt leadership
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Read the book I wrote above. The bump stock ban should have been an eye opener for just how corrupt the NRA is. They play to the far right base for money as there is no way in hell anybody on the far left will send money. But everybody right of center got played by Trump on the bump stock ban. And the NRA falling in line on that one issue should have shown just how political ideology agnostic they are at their core.
 
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hog88 said:
If they were moving further right they wouldn't be playing to any base to feed their corrupt leadership
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The NRA is just desperate at this point, everyone has jumped the shark there. They'll latch onto any culture war they can to desperately keep some semblance of relevance.

By the way, do you think Donald Trump has ever owned a gun? Ever shot a gun?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Their leadership is the definition of corruption. Wayne LaPierre and his lieutenants are grifters and need to be run out of town on a rail.

Back in the day they promoted firearm education and responsible ownership. Its very disingenuous for leftist idiots to imply any large majority of educated firearm owners not promoting responsible ownership. But they do.

The NRA used to not care if you voted Democrat or Republican, they just promoted firearm education. In fact look at Texas, back in the LBJ days it was solid blue... and heavily entrenched in firearm ownership.

In the modern era that ideology has been assigned to the right predominantly and you see that in the NRAs messaging. Their far right messaging is solely to extort their base for more funds to fight off the progressive boogeyman. And it’s effective messaging.

Honestly I don’t see 2a support being Democrat or Republican. It’s one of those fundamental Libertarian points. I’m granted ownership rights in the Constitution and the government needs to leave those rights alone. It’s become a Republican issue if for no other reason than a counter to the far left firearm confiscation narrative, it’s just reactionary. Thus the NRA feeds that far right ideology as there are far more Republicans to extort than their are self acknowledged Libertarians. Just my humble opinion.
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I get the sense the NRA moving right/more right is only relative to politics moving left. Agree or disagree?
 
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McDad said:
I get the sense the NRA moving right/more right is only relative to politics moving left. Agree or disagree?
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Agree completely. That was my initial reply into this. The corruption isn’t assigned to any one political ideology. You asked for a right moving example. The prototype for me is the NRA
 
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