Allah Removed From Indiana School Christmas Program

[gsvol]

This will rock your socks Rockytop:

From Gentofte, a suburb of Copenhgen, Denmark, December 3, 2009.

Original source, in the Danish language.

The following letter was mailed to ALL the inhabitants of Gentofte.

(I would think Hillary's $100 billion would be enough jiyza, you don't think we will be getting any of these kinds of letters do you?)

"For some time we have kept you under our scope. You are blessed with a lovely family and we hope you appreciate this fortune of live, nothing is static. We apologize for the poorly chosen time of approach (Your holy month), and will respectfully keep a distance whilst you and your family enjoys your RR.

Our lives may sometimes turn down a road we didn´t foresee, on some occasions we can change this course, on others we can´t.

Your live is about to take such a turn, and it is up to you if you want to get back on track, entirely up to you, we might add!

In our country, we are so familiar to changes, radical changes, so we know what we are talking about. Your part of the world have exploited us for centuries (not you personally though), so in all fairness it would be appropriate if you lend a helping hand.

For some reason we can´t get your government to take appropriate course of action, hence this solution.

We are civilized people, although you may think otherwise, but in order to be taken seriously, we have to stand by our terms and statements. For this purpose, we have hired 'local contractors', surprisingly easy in Denmark, who will carry out the more uncivilized part, let´s hope it doesn´t come to that.

In short we request you to deliver 215.000,- Danish Kroner (can be converted into USD or Pound Sterling), details will follow later on. We will give you 6 weeks from today´s date. The amount will not break you financially, we know, and we never use the same beneficial twice.

Obviously there are certain rules, simple ones.
- Do not share this with anyone or anybody.
- Meet our terms promptly.

If you fail to comply, and we will find out, we will have to initiate the next step, which will be disabling a family member.

Second step, if necessary, will be more fatal.

There is no room for negotiation or second chance.

Once we press the red button, others will take over The people who will carry out this task do not know us and we do not know them. Due to the way they are getting paid, they will perform, trust us!

We hope you will take this seriously, we have nothing to lose.

We will get back to you shortly.

Regards,”

SIOE, Stop the Islamization of Europe.









On another note, America's greatest crime ever.

US policy in the Balkans since the breakup of Yugoslavia in 1991 has amounted to an effort to make the region safe for jihad. As I pointed out in my conference paper,

To that end, during the Yugoslav civil wars of the 1990s, the US-led West

a) encouraged the violent, as opposed to pacific, breakup of Yugoslavia;

b) supported a hard-core Islamic supremacist, Alija Izetbegovic, president of Bosnia, in his efforts to build the first Islamic state in Europe; and

c) supported diplomatically and militarily Muslim terrorists in Bosnia and Kosovo in their efforts to kill and ethnically cleanse Serb civilians.

US-led Western policy continued in a similar vein during the Bush administration with the recognition of Kosovo, and, sadly, shows few signs of changing under the Obama administration.
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What fifteen years of US-led policy in the region has achieved is two failed states, Bosnia and Kosovo, both riddled with corruption, drug-running, and jihadist activity. As John Schindler has pointed out in his excellent book, Unholy Terror, the jihadist attacks on the West since 1992 – including 9/11 – are directly traceable to the Bosnian civil war and Western connivance with the international Muslim forces who poured into the region to fight the infidel Serbs.
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The breakup of Yugoslavia and the de facto secession of Kosovo-Metohija from Serbia mark significant episodes in the post-Cold War struggle between three major world-historical forces: US-led globalization, jihad, and the old nation-state system. These three forces are the current expressions of the three civilizations that have competed for pre-eminence in the Balkan peninsula for a thousand years: the West, Islam, and the Orthodox East. The Orthodox nations of Eastern Europe, which still retain characteristics of “whole” societies based in common language, ethnicity, territory, and religion, remain one of the few genuinely conservative forces on the world stage. In simplified but meaningful terms, the Orthodox East has once again found itself squeezed in a vice between two imperialistic, violent ideologies, happy to wreck Balkan civilization for their own misguided self-interests.

Muslim women in Bosnia before UN intervention.

Muslim women in Bosnia after UN intervention.

Nadja Dizdarevic wife of Algerian born jihadist Boudella al Hajj, released from Guantanamo waitng for the arrival of her husband at the airport in Sarajevo, Bosnia.

Two hours after the plane landed, a uniformed officer standing outside police headquarters told media that the men were allowed to go home after going through an identification process.

Six Algerians were detained in Bosnia in 2001 on suspicion of plotting to bomb the U.S. Embassy in Sarajevo and held at Guantanamo since January 2002.

U.S. District Judge Richard J. Leon said last month that government evidence linking five of them to al-Qaida was not credible because it came from a single, unidentified source.


(the reason this Algerian's wife has the slavic sounding name is that she is a Balkan native, Bosniaks or muslim Bosnians were originally Serbian Christians but converted by the sword to islam.)

 

[Oldvol75]

They'll probably blow up the school now!

 

[gsvol]

They'll probably blow up the school now!

Or the Federal Justice Department steps in and charges someone with a hate crime for insulting islam.

 

[jackaro]

I don't use allah for God. If you study what Islam calls god and what Judo/Christians call God, they are not the same. Study the relationship factor.

I have known a number of Muslims and they all say it is the same God. Just because Christians do not call God Yahweh does not mean that Christians and Jews do not have the same God.

 

[Oldvol75]

I have known a number of Muslims and they all say it is the same God. Just because Christians do not call God Yahweh does not mean that Christians and Jews do not have the same God.

Yes they "may say" it is the same god. Please study the relationship factor between the Judeo/Christian God and the muslim god. In how they relate to their individual relationship with God, there is a staggering difference.

 

[BeecherVol]

I have known a number of Muslims and they all say it is the same God. Just because Christians do not call God Yahweh does not mean that Christians and Jews do not have the same God.

Yes they "may say" it is the same god. Please study the relationship factor between the Judeo/Christian God and the muslim god. In how they relate to their individual relationship with God, there is a staggering difference.

They sure don't have a problem trying to kill a fellow believer, if we worship the same God.

They look at the U.S. , as a christian nation. Which makes us no different that Israel in their eyes. Israel is just closer geographically.

 

[jackaro]

Yes they "may say" it is the same god. Please study the relationship factor between the Judeo/Christian God and the muslim god. In how they relate to their individual relationship with God, there is a staggering difference.

I honestly have no idea the point you are trying to make. If you look at the difference between the relationship to God that a Catholic holds, it is a staggering difference to the relationship with God that a Baptist holds. Or how about the Jewish people, who are cited as God chosen people? That seems to be a very special relationship that existed long before the time of Christ.

What also confuses me is why an individuals belief in their relationship with God defines God, rather than the individual.

One more thing, why was "may say" in quotation marks? I probably took this too personal, but it upset me.

 

[jackaro]

They sure don't have a problem trying to kill a fellow believer, if we worship the same God.

They look at the U.S. , as a christian nation. Which makes us no different that Israel in their eyes. Israel is just closer geographically.

First of all, I am going to consider that when you use the word they, it only applies to Muslim Extremists. What you said is true, Muslim Extremists are responsible for killing those of their own faith in staggering numbers. But Muslim Extremists are a small element of the 1 billion Muslims in the world, they will kill anyone to make a point, especially it seems, other Muslims.

Secondly, they look at the U.S. as a Christian nation because it is a Christian nation, by our own definition. But the reasons for the terrorist violence against Israel and the United States is much more complex than you make it out to be. The reasons are numerous, but if you wish to discuss this further I would be more than happy to give you my opinion, this post is already too long.

 

[gsvol]

I honestly have no idea the point you are trying to make. If you look at the difference between the relationship to God that a Catholic holds, it is a staggering difference to the relationship with God that a Baptist holds. Or how about the Jewish people, who are cited as God chosen people? That seems to be a very special relationship that existed long before the time of Christ.

What also confuses me is why an individuals belief in their relationship with God defines God, rather than the individual.

One more thing, why was "may say" in quotation marks? I probably took this too personal, but it upset me.

Think the other way, what beliefs do a Catholic and a Baptists hold in common?

The Lamb was slain before the foundation of the world, that is why you will personally have to decide for yourself whether you are is Lambic or nada!!

In the ending, the ending will be.

In the end, where do you want to be?

God is unending, unbending, unless He wants to be.

How about Jewish people, who wants to kill them all?

Not me!

What confuses you is religion, the word 'religion' broken down to it's roots mean to seek God. (The Godseeker by Sinclair Lewis is a must read.)

I'm not trying to double team you or answer for Oldvol but he throws a wide loop and may not be back for a while but my interpretation of his "may say" is that you can hear anything but everthing may not, even certainly is not always the truth.

Maybe you can explain why that upset you, as an impartial observer I don't understand why that would upset you. :huh:

 

[jackaro]

Maybe you can explain why that upset you, as an impartial observer I don't understand why that would upset you. :huh:

It upset me because I felt he was questioning my integrity (as in I never heard it), or the integrity of my friends (who, presumably) were lying to me. I just got back from eating breakfast with a friend from Lebanon, I told him about the thread and he wanted to get in on the conversation. Unfortunately, I could not find the thread when I was at his place. I will call him and let him know what the thread title is so maybe he can explain his beliefs about God. He is Shia, so his beliefs differ from what a Sunni might say.

 

[jackaro]

Think the other way, what beliefs do a Catholic and a Baptists hold in common?

The Lamb was slain before the foundation of the world, that is why you will personally have to decide for yourself whether you are is Lambic or nada!!

In the ending, the ending will be.

In the end, where do you want to be?

God is unending, unbending, unless He wants to be.

How about Jewish people, who wants to kill them all?

Not me!

What confuses you is religion, the word 'religion' broken down to it's roots mean to seek God. (The Godseeker by Sinclair Lewis is a must read.)

I'm not trying to double team you or answer for Oldvol but he throws a wide loop and may not be back for a while but my interpretation of his "may say" is that you can hear anything but everthing may not, even certainly is not always the truth.

:huh:

If I understand your point you are saying: Christ died for all those who lived, before and after His coming to earth. Christ is the son of God, and part of the whole that is the Trinity. Muslims do not believe in Jesus as the son of God, nor do they believe in the Trinity, therefore their God is different, and not the Judeo-Christian God.

Valid to a point I think, but Jews do not believe Jesus was the son of God either.

I am little confused about God being unending, and unbending unless he wants to be. I was under the impression God was eternal, and his nature would not, and could not, change.

Many, many, people throughout history have wanted to kill all the Jews.

Maybe I am confused about religion, but if it means seeking God, does that mean different religions are seeking different Gods? Seems to me, if that is the correct definition of religion, that all religions would be pointing to the same God.

 

[SWIL]

Flying ziti up betwinxt your buttocks.

You can even spell spaghetti properly.

Sometimes I wonder why you always act so stupid but then I realize, you ain't acting, are ya'?

Go lick your own carrot- you are apparently into that kinda thing. :censored:

 

[Oldvol75]

I honestly have no idea the point you are trying to make. If you look at the difference between the relationship to God that a Catholic holds, it is a staggering difference to the relationship with God that a Baptist holds. Or how about the Jewish people, who are cited as God chosen people? That seems to be a very special relationship that existed long before the time of Christ.

What also confuses me is why an individuals belief in their relationship with God defines God, rather than the individual.

One more thing, why was "may say" in quotation marks? I probably took this too personal, but it upset me.

Sorry that I upset you, it was not my intention. The relationship differs between Muslim and Judeo/Christian. The Judeo/Christian relationship is as Heavenly Father, With the Christian the relationship extends to Jesus Christ also. Muslims do not view God as a Heavenly Father. Think faith vs. works, with the Muslim its all about works that get you into heaven. With the Christian, it is Faith followed by works, but faith must come first. Muslims view Jesus as a prophet not as messiah.

 

[BeecherVol]

First of all, I am going to consider that when you use the word they, it only applies to Muslim Extremists. What you said is true, Muslim Extremists are responsible for killing those of their own faith in staggering numbers. But Muslim Extremists are a small element of the 1 billion Muslims in the world, they will kill anyone to make a point, especially it seems, other Muslims.

Secondly, they look at the U.S. as a Christian nation because it is a Christian nation, by our own definition. But the reasons for the terrorist violence against Israel and the United States is much more complex than you make it out to be. The reasons are numerous, but if you wish to discuss this further I would be more than happy to give you my opinion, this post is already too long.

Peaceful Muslims, and Muslim terrorists believe in the same god, yes.

As far as Muslim violence toward Israel, and the U.S.
Its quiet simply actually. Its Biblical. These Muslims want more than Israel's land. They want Israel dead, and gone.
Now do all muslims feel this way? I have no idea. But the ones that do, seem to be in power. If this is the case, they should take over the minority, that has hijacked their peaceful religion.

As for the U.S., they have backed Israel over history.

Im not trying to paint all muslims, as terrorist/killers.
But their god is not mine. OldVol explained the difference well.

 

[jackaro]

Peaceful Muslims, and Muslim terrorists believe in the same god, yes.

As far as Muslim violence toward Israel, and the U.S.
Its quiet simply actually. Its Biblical. These Muslims want more than Israel's land. They want Israel dead, and gone.
Now do all muslims feel this way? I have no idea. But the ones that do, seem to be in power. If this is the case, they should take over the minority, that has hijacked their peaceful religion.

As for the U.S., they have backed Israel over history.

Im not trying to paint all muslims, as terrorist/killers.
But their god is not mine. OldVol explained the difference well.

Muslims want their Holy Land back. The Zionist movement and the establishment of Israel forced a people living in (what was then called) Palestine into a small corner of land, with little access to certain places that are considered Holy to them. They are understandably upset by this. Made even more upset by the continued incursions into what little land the Palestinians have left by Jewish settlements.

Muslims are upset that the United States supports Israel, and this is part of their anger toward us. But they are also upset about the continued interference of the United States with the national sovereignty of their nations. The support of the Shah of Iran, the early support of Saddam Hussein under Reagan, the abandonment of the people of Afganistan after the Russians were expelled, etc. There is also an issue with the U.S. exporting its culture to the Middle East, which has quite a rich cultural history itself.

 

[gsvol]

It upset me because I felt he was questioning my integrity (as in I never heard it), or the integrity of my friends (who, presumably) were lying to me. I just got back from eating breakfast with a friend from Lebanon, I told him about the thread and he wanted to get in on the conversation. Unfortunately, I could not find the thread when I was at his place. I will call him and let him know what the thread title is so maybe he can explain his beliefs about God. He is Shia, so his beliefs differ from what a Sunni might say.

Read my 'tenets' of Islam thread.

Maybe he would want to comment on that.

Actually there are many who call themselves muslim who don't know all that much about islam, the life and teachings of it's founder Muhammed who changed his name from something else that I don't recall just now.

Remember the story of the little indian boy and the serpent.

As the little indian followed a path leading to the top of the mountain he encountered a serpent in the path.

Where are you going asked the serpent.

To the top of the mountain he replied.

Then carry me because that is where I am going also and it is dusty in this path and hard for me to slither so far.

But you are a snake you will bite me.

No, no, not if you carry me to the top of the mountain, I promise.

And so the little indian picked the serpent up and put him on his shoulders and carried him to the top of the mountain and placed him upon the ground, whereupon the snake promptly bit him.

But you promised you wouldn't bite me if I helped you said the little indian.

But you knew I was a snake all along, that's what I do, don't blame me.

If I understand your point you are saying: Christ died for all those who lived, before and after His coming to earth. Christ is the son of God, and part of the whole that is the Trinity. Muslims do not believe in Jesus as the son of God, nor do they believe in the Trinity, therefore their God is different, and not the Judeo-Christian God.

Valid to a point I think, but Jews do not believe Jesus was the son of God either.

I am little confused about God being unending, and unbending unless he wants to be. I was under the impression God was eternal, and his nature would not, and could not, change.

Many, many, people throughout history have wanted to kill all the Jews.

Maybe I am confused about religion, but if it means seeking God, does that mean different religions are seeking different Gods? Seems to me, if that is the correct definition of religion, that all religions would be pointing to the same God.

Did you ever read; "The God-Seeker" by Sinclair Lewis.

You don't have a list of those in history who wanted to kill all the Jews other than the Nazis and the Muslims do you???

Some Jews are Christian Jews.

Holy scripture says all those who deny that Jesus is the son of God are liars.

Muslims readily admits to being liars through the islamic teaching of 'takiyya', the practice of lying to deceive the enemy, the enemy being anyone and everyone who doesn't submit to the absolute rule of islamic law, sharia.

Go lick your own carrot- you are apparently into that kinda thing. :censored:

You bit one of my carrots didn't you???? :nono:

The great Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) walks into a bar with a giraffe, they both get a couple of rounds in. When they get up to leave they’re extremely drunk and the giraffe passes out and falls over.

Muhammed opens the door, about to leave by himself, when the bartender stops him suddenly and says, “Hey! You can’t leave that lyin’ there!”

Muhammed turns around and slurs, “Don’t be silly, that’s not a lion, that’s a giraffe!”

 

[gsvol]

Muslims want their Holy Land back. The Zionist movement and the establishment of Israel forced a people living in (what was then called) Palestine into a small corner of land, with little access to certain places that are considered Holy to them. They are understandably upset by this. Made even more upset by the continued incursions into what little land the Palestinians have left by Jewish settlements.

Muslims are upset that the United States supports Israel, and this is part of their anger toward us. But they are also upset about the continued interference of the United States with the national sovereignty of their nations. The support of the Shah of Iran, the early support of Saddam Hussein under Reagan, the abandonment of the people of Afganistan after the Russians were expelled, etc. There is also an issue with the U.S. exporting its culture to the Middle East, which has quite a rich cultural history itself.

You're a victim of disinformation.

No one was forced out of Israel, many Arabs still live there, the reason many left was that they refused to live where islamic sharia law didn't prevail.

They were given plenty of land to have in Trans-Jordan but other Arabs took that over and kicked them out into refugee camps in Lebanon and Gaza.

They do have access to their so-called holy sites in Jerusalem but aren't satisfied with that, they want to rule all of Jerusalem, that just ain't going to happen under any circumstances, they might as well accept that.

To be upset at us because we support Israel may be a convient excuse but the real reason is that islam teaches they must rule all the world and that includes us.

The mad marxist mullahs of Iran killed more Persians in one year than the Shah had in thitry.

If they don't want our culture, then go the hell back home and milk a camel!!

Ask your friend that's blowing all that smoke up your butt to explain 2 million murdered Armenian Christians, 1 million murdered Assyrian Christians, 2 million black African Christians in Sudan, 1 million murdered Serbian Christians and assorted other atrocities committed in the name of Islam including avid support of Hitler in the genocide of 6 million Jews.

I'm sure he has denial or excuses for all that.

If it were me I'd tell him to STFU about his complaints about America and Americans.

 

[Oldvol75]

gs, I was hoping the friend would show up, it would be interesting!

 

[BeecherVol]

Muslims want their Holy Land back. The Zionist movement and the establishment of Israel forced a people living in (what was then called) Palestine into a small corner of land, with little access to certain places that are considered Holy to them. They are understandably upset by this. Made even more upset by the continued incursions into what little land the Palestinians have left by Jewish settlements.

Muslims are upset that the United States supports Israel, and this is part of their anger toward us. But they are also upset about the continued interference of the United States with the national sovereignty of their nations. The support of the Shah of Iran, the early support of Saddam Hussein under Reagan, the abandonment of the people of Afganistan after the Russians were expelled, etc. There is also an issue with the U.S. exporting its culture to the Middle East, which has quite a rich cultural history itself.

The only part of that post that I really agree with, is the fact that Muslims do not like the US backing Israel.

 

[Oldvol75]

Muslims want their Holy Land back. The Zionist movement and the establishment of Israel forced a people living in (what was then called) Palestine into a small corner of land, with little access to certain places that are considered Holy to them. They are understandably upset by this. Made even more upset by the continued incursions into what little land the Palestinians have left by Jewish settlements.

Muslims are upset that the United States supports Israel, and this is part of their anger toward us. But they are also upset about the continued interference of the United States with the national sovereignty of their nations. The support of the Shah of Iran, the early support of Saddam Hussein under Reagan, the abandonment of the people of Afganistan after the Russians were expelled, etc. There is also an issue with the U.S. exporting its culture to the Middle East, which has quite a rich cultural history itself.

Well seeing that there were Jews Centuries before there was even a group called muslims and/or Islam, one may need to question exactly who was there first.

 

[BeecherVol]

I think the argument (between Israel or Palestine) has turned more into picking a side to root for, instead of who is right.