Am I the only Democrat on here....?

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KB5252 said:
The bible also stated that every man should obey the laws they live under, one of those is do not murder, the punishment is already known beforehand.

Having a doctor kill a baby is not such a cut and dry situation. The baby has done no wrong other than inconvenienced their mother.
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Yes, I do agree that abortions are being used too much as a form of birth control, but there are a lot of situations that abortions are needed(rape, incest, danger to mother's health)

My little slogan has always been, "Big government should stay in Washington, and out of a woman's vagina."
 
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nickknx865 said:
My little slogan has always been, "Big government should stay in Washington, and out of a woman's vagina."
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that's pure genius. I'm thinking maybe the woman should try and keep other foreign objects from her vagina if she doesn't want to be forced into an ugly decision.
 
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#54
Cold-blooded as this sounds, I'm pro-choice and against capital punishment primarily because it places less of a financial burden on society.
 
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milohimself said:
Cold-blooded as this sounds, I'm pro-choice and against capital punishment primarily because it places less of a financial burden on society.
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have an opinion on abortion, but could go either way because I just don't care very much. It's a total sideshow to me that has been bastardized by two increasingly marginalized groups.

Capital punishment has to be cheaper than lifetime funded imprisonment.
 
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la.lovesorange said:
Well, Im just asking because the Democrats are the exact opposite. So, if the Democrats so great why dont they try and safe EVERY life??
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They are trying to save the lives of those unfortunate innocents locked up at Guantonamo Bay! What more could you ask for!!!
 
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nickknx865 said:
Might I ask exactly what you mean. Does this mean that if I get seriously injured, I have to leech on the family and on Churches for financial aid.

Reason I ask is, well, my father had to stop working for good back in 2004, after a blood clot was discovered in his leg. Had the first surgery worked, he would have gone back to work. But, the stint(sp?) failed, and he had to be operated on again, and now, he's permanently disabled.
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My sympathy to your father, however, this is where his extended family and Church should step in...not the Federal Government.

There is also that whole free-market notion of disability insurance...?
nickknx865 said:
It isn't, but I thought that the Bible said, and this is not a quote, but love every man like your brother. Again, Bible study is something I was never really good at, but I thought it said something to that degree.
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For incredible insight on the "Love your neighbor as you love yourself" maxim, read Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis.

From a psychological perspective, most of us humans are pretty hard on ourselves. Plenty of sane individuals would rather be killed then take someone else's life, even in combat. To put someone to death for murder is by no means against the notion of loving them as you love yourself.
 
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milohimself said:
Cold-blooded as this sounds, I'm pro-choice and against capital punishment primarily because it places less of a financial burden on society.
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Capital punishment is not a financial burden on society. Paying for the insurmountable amount of appeals made by those on death row is a financial burden on society.
 
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last 8 years of republican rule-
1. largest expansion of government since FDR's admin
2. erosion of the constitution and personal freedoms ( patriot act )
3. largest economic downturn since the great depression
4. largest deficit spending in history

yea, democrats are weak and have a flawed philosophy. 4 more years of this and we will be a 3rd world country.
 
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la.lovesorange said:
Well, Im just asking because the Democrats are the exact opposite. So, if the Democrats so great why dont they try and safe EVERY life??
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I think you hit the nail on the head here. But it is not just the Democrats that are hypocrites, Republicans are too.

The Democrats frame abortion as what a woman can and cannot do with her body. I think what the Democrats are saying is that the fetus is not considered for human or Constitutional rights until it is delivered. Until it is delivered it is an extension of the woman's body, and a person can do what they will to their own body. That's just my opinion of what the Democrats think. I think what they miss is, at the very least, that a fetus is a potential for a life. Dismissing this so cavalierly is a mistake.

Republicans think life begins at conception, but do not value a persons life when that person does something terrible. Does every human life have value? Not to the Republicans. I find this hypocritical as well.

I am neither Republican nor Democrat. I am against the death penalty and struggle with the abortion issue.
 
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cwaclif said:
last 8 years of republican rule-
1. largest expansion of government since FDR's admin
2. erosion of the constitution and personal freedoms ( patriot act )
3. largest economic downturn since the great depression
4. largest deficit spending in history

yea, democrats are weak and have a flawed philosophy. 4 more years of this and we will be a 3rd world country.
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Not to mention more than doubling the national debt.
 
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cwaclif said:
last 8 years of republican rule-
1. largest expansion of government since FDR's admin
2. erosion of the constitution and personal freedoms ( patriot act )
3. largest economic downturn since the great depression
4. largest deficit spending in history

yea, democrats are weak and have a flawed philosophy. 4 more years of this and we will be a 3rd world country.
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Actually you are factually incorrect. Even though it might yet reach a depression, we haven't yet entered a depression (two or more consecutive quarters of negative GDP). There have been eight recessions since 1980. Unemployment is still less than 6% and the stock market declined far more in 2001 and 2002 with the dot-com bubble burst.

As far as the Patriot act, this was a bipartisan effort. Most Americans feel safer with the goverment protecting our families from terriorists than the ACLU.

Being a conservative I am not happy with the spending deficit. But Obama has already proposed over 100 billion in new entitlements........universal health care, free preschool for everone including illegal aliens(the ones that cross the border not the extra-terrestial ones).
 
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Here is my thing. As far as I can tell Obama is wanting everything universal, Health care, school, everything. He also wants to cut the military by a ton of $$$$. Now to me when the whole world hates us and wants death to the "infidels" that doesn't sound too smart. Another thing I don't like is redistribution of wealth. I work at family pharmacy as a medical equipment tech. The owner is a pharmacist and I'm sure he makes good money, I don't make bad money but it isn't a job that requires mandatory schooling so it's no where near what other's pull in. I don't feel like my boss should have to give me some of his money because I don't make as much as him. Poop on that, I mean I have every opportunity to get my butt in school and find a job that is gonna pay me 100k a year. If you like taxing the crapola out of the rich (you know the ones that own businesses) they will say fine with me, I'll just send the Government the money that I was gonna invest or expand with which in turn stalls growth and employment opportunities. That's my take on what happen's when you envy the rich. Tell me this if you make $25,000 a year and pay 20% to the Gov't. what is the total?
Ok now someone who makes $250,000 even if they are taxed at the same % who is actually paying more $$$ in taxes? The defense rests your honor.
 
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cwaclif said:
last 8 years of republican rule-
1. largest expansion of government since FDR's admin
2. erosion of the constitution and personal freedoms ( patriot act )
3. largest economic downturn since the great depression
4. largest deficit spending in history

yea, democrats are weak and have a flawed philosophy. 4 more years of this and we will be a 3rd world country.
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AMEN:rock:
 
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rockydoc said:
As far as the Patriot act, this was a bipartisan effort. Most Americans feel safer with the goverment protecting our families from terriorists than the ACLU..
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"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Benjamin Franklin
 
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lazy4163 said:
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Benjamin Franklin
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That's what I thought about the PATRIOT ACT as well. Sad that even though Ben Franklin said that 225-250 years ago, it still resonates to this day.
 
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cwaclif said:
last 8 years of republican rule-
1. largest expansion of government since FDR's admin
2. erosion of the constitution and personal freedoms ( patriot act )
3. largest economic downturn since the great depression
4. largest deficit spending in history

yea, democrats are weak and have a flawed philosophy. 4 more years of this and we will be a 3rd world country.
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rjd970 said:
Not to mention more than doubling the national debt.
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Not the same thing?
 
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#1volsfan said:
Here is my thing. As far as I can tell Obama is wanting everything universal, Health care, school, everything. He also wants to cut the military by a ton of $$$$. Now to me when the whole world hates us and wants death to the "infidels" that doesn't sound too smart. Another thing I don't like is redistribution of wealth. I work at family pharmacy as a medical equipment tech. The owner is a pharmacist and I'm sure he makes good money, I don't make bad money but it isn't a job that requires mandatory schooling so it's no where near what other's pull in. I don't feel like my boss should have to give me some of his money because I don't make as much as him. Poop on that, I mean I have every opportunity to get my butt in school and find a job that is gonna pay me 100k a year. If you like taxing the crapola out of the rich (you know the ones that own businesses) they will say fine with me, I'll just send the Government the money that I was gonna invest or expand with which in turn stalls growth and employment opportunities. That's my take on what happen's when you envy the rich. Tell me this if you make $25,000 a year and pay 20% to the Gov't. what is the total?
Ok now someone who makes $250,000 even if they are taxed at the same % who is actually paying more $$$ in taxes? The defense rests your honor.
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Even though the person making $250,000 a year would pay more in taxes...who would have more left???:thumbsup:
 
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TENNFOLD1974 said:
Even though the person making $250,000 a year would pay more in taxes...who would have more left???:thumbsup:
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so because they are successful they should pay more of a percent? In other words punish them for working hard or investing risky and it paying off?
 
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#1volsfan said:
so because they are successful they should pay more of a percent? In other words punish them for working hard or investing risky and it paying off?
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But why should they get huge tax cuts? It makes no sense to me.

Republicans basically have given the poor man the middle finger and told them, "Sorry, but complaining about your situation makes you a socalist and unpatriotic."

Pisses me off to an extent, really.
 
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rjd970 said:
The deficit and the national debt are two different things.
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I wouldn't expect you to have a clue, but the deficit spending creates the national debt. Hence, you were being absolutely redundant. But don't let that stop you.
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