Am I the only one who wont kiss South Carolinas

[orangetd88]

Originally posted by GAVol@Nov 16, 2005 10:50 PM
:shakehead: This smacks of "Bammerism".

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How so? No one has mentioned anything about 1348957851286551545 national championships.

 

[WA_Vol]

Originally posted by GAVol@Nov 17, 2005 12:50 AM
:shakehead: This smacks of "Bammerism".

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Its not a true bammerism unless you mention national championship, bear bryant, the number 12, and probation.

Bammers have been pretty quiet this week though....

 

[West Columbia Gamecock]

Originally posted by USAF_Vol@Nov 16, 2005 9:39 PM
My boss uses that analogy.  I hate my boss.  I'm starting to feel the same way about you.  One win in like 20 years.  You better not start financing your wins over UT just yet.  While SOS is in town.  Try the lease deal.  It might be nice now, but it won't last long.

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Who is your boss, Dinah Shore??? Once again, you meatballs won't read what I've said. Trying to communicate with someone who refuses to read my post is.......well, wait a minute, I forgot. I'm not supposed to be rational. Sorry. I was going to ask you to go back and re-read what I wrote about it "being a long time before the Gamecocks (can start winning against UT)." But that would take reason. I was told that's not allowed here.

 

[West Columbia Gamecock]

Originally posted by smokeyman15@Nov 16, 2005 9:56 PM
i live in columbia...i hear nothin but sh*t from everyone about were overated and that usc will be fightin for the bcs in two years....BS!
the cocks got lucky this year...spurrier's a$$ is grass

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Preseason #3 fighting for a spot in the Weedeater Bowl, I think that classifies as overrated. I was praying that ya'll could pull it out over Memphis so that it wouldn't cheapen our win over the Vols. I know we've been lucky this year, especially in Knoxville. But I think we'll take a little luck right about now.

 

[tvolsfan]

Originally posted by smokeyman15@Nov 16, 2005 9:56 PM
i live in columbia...i hear nothin but sh*t from everyone about were overated and that usc will be fightin for the bcs in two years....BS!
the cocks got lucky this year...spurrier's a$$ is grass

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i can relate. im from columbus and all i hear about how we are overrated.

i figured that out when we struggled agaisnt uab.

 

[volmanjr]

Let roosters crow while they can , I kind of liked seeing them hand it to Chrissy and the gators.

 

[allvol]

Look, even Granny Holtz took the Cocks from 0-11 to 8-4 in one season. All Spurrier's done is take them from 6-5 to 7-3. He's not walking on water yet. When he actually wins a few championships at a mid-level school like South Carolina, then we can talk about his greatness. Until then, the Cocks should be good sports.

 

[Liper]

Originally posted by allvol@Nov 17, 2005 5:01 PM
Look, even Granny Holtz took the Cocks from 0-11 to 8-4 in one season.  All Spurrier's done is take them from 6-5 to 7-3.  He's not walking on water yet.  When he actually wins a few championships at a mid-level school like South Carolina, then we can talk about his greatness.  Until then, the Cocks should be good sports.

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Two things o' swami of the VN board statistical team:

1. Spurrier beat TN and FL in the same year. Holtz never beat either one of those teams. That's quite an accomplishment, however he did it (ugly).

2. His greatness is well established, an important distinction. South Carolina's greatness is not. Our staff couldn't win 1 game with that team, and I'm not exagerating.

 

[allvol]

Originally posted by Liper@Nov 17, 2005 5:13 PM
Two things o' swami of the VN board statistical team:

1. Spurrier beat TN and FL in the same year.  Holtz never beat either one of those teams.  That's quite an accomplishment, however he did it (ugly).

2. :wub: His greatness is well established, an important distinction.  South Carolina's greatness is not.  Our staff couldn't win 1 game with that team, and I'm not exagerating.

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Wow. He beat two teams that could collectively lose 10 games this season. He's awesome. [sarcasm]

Holtz did beat Georgia, Alabama, and more importantly for Cock fans... Clemson in 2001 -- as well as Ohio State.

When Spurrier wins a championship at South Carolina then I will praise him. So far, he hasn't beaten a good team yet.

 

[Liper]

Originally posted by allvol@Nov 17, 2005 5:26 PM
Wow.  He beat two teams that could collectively lose 10 games this season.  He's awesome. [sarcasm]

Holtz did beat Georgia, Alabama, and more importantly for Cock fans... Clemson in 2001 -- as well as Ohio State.

When Spurrier wins a championship at South Carolina then I will praise him.  So far, he hasn't beaten a good team yet.

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Are you forgetting his tenures at Duke and Florida?

Or, are you isolating your evaluation to SC only?

Answer honestly: Do you think Spurrier could take TN and FL and blister SC? I for one would be willing to bet most of what I have on that.

 

[USAF_Vol]

Originally posted by West Columbia Gamecock@Nov 17, 2005 5:57 AM
Who is your boss, Dinah Shore??? Once again, you meatballs won't read what I've said. Trying to communicate with someone who refuses to read my post is.......well, wait a minute, I forgot. I'm not supposed to be rational. Sorry. I was going to ask you to go back and re-read what I wrote about it "being a long time before the Gamecocks (can start winning against UT)." But that would take reason. I was told that's not allowed here.

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Yeah, my boss is pretty old, that's probably why he is the boss. But what are you saying about your own post, you used that saying. Maybe you didn't understand my post. So I'll bring it down a notch. I wasn't saying that you were claiming to start a "streak of wins" over the Vols.

What I said was don't think you are financing a win over us. Generally, when people finance something, they plan on a long-term ownership. So, that means SC won't have a big streak forthcoming.

The next part was with SOS in town, you guys are leasing your wins. That means people tend to keep something around, use it up for a little while and turn it back in. Kinda like how SOS is using SC. Going to get it somewhere and then when SC is competitive consistently, everyone will remember.......this is SC. And back to where you belong, near the bottom of the SEC east

 

[Lexvol]

Though I agree that Spurrier is the best ball coach in the SEC, SC reminds me a lot of UT last year. They have squeezed a few more wins out than they probably should have.

Could anyone other than Spurrier have done this? Maybe, maybe...Charlie Weiss. That being said next year will tell the tale. I say that because Spurrier went on a pretty good slide at Fla in his last two years.

 

[tvolsfan]

dont know if you guys notice but if georgia by some chance, gets upset by kentucky, south carolina is going to the sec championship! if they win that is a sucess story.

 

[volfan2024]

Somebody went to an awful lot of trouble. They've certainly been harboring alot of ill will. How many years have they had to dream up the animations and finally, finally able to release all that hostility. I say Ha! & Lucky rascals! Let's just hope a pattern doesn't form.

 

[West Columbia Gamecock]

Originally posted by USAF_Vol@Nov 17, 2005 6:11 PM
Yeah, my boss is pretty old, that's probably why he is the boss.  But what are you saying about your own post, you used that saying.

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I guess I can't use parallels in my "sayings", seeing as the Gamecocks are, well, chickens.

If it makes you feel better to tell yourself that South Carolina is a short term success story, keep telling yourself that. As your coaching staff has done a good job of making chicken shoo-shoo out of chicken salad this year, we may get a 0% interest rate on that long term success plan against the Vols you were talking about.

 

[USAF_Vol]

Well, enjoy it now. Because it won't last long.

 

[tvolsfan]

less then a year actually.

 

[milohimself]

I also give Spurrier a lot of credit... Does anybody realize how lacking in talent South Carolina really is? This year they are literally on about the same level as Vanderbilt, because of Holtzs poor recruiting and kicking all those players off the team in the offseason. Everybody in the country said even a bowl game was a stretch for the Gamecocks, now here we are heading to the end of the regular season and Spurrier has put a no-talent team into a mid-level bowl game, in the SEC no less. Very impressive.

 

[volinbham]

Originally posted by milohimself@Nov 17, 2005 8:47 PM
I also give Spurrier a lot of credit... Does anybody realize how lacking in talent South Carolina really is? This year they are literally on about the same level as Vanderbilt, because of Holtzs poor recruiting and kicking all those players off the team in the offseason. Everybody in the country said even a bowl game was a stretch for the Gamecocks, now here we are heading to the end of the regular season and Spurrier has put a no-talent team into a mid-level bowl game, in the SEC no less. Very impressive.

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Got to agree with this. They lost a ton of players and didn't have great talent to begin with.

Looking back, that Georgia game was a real difference maker. The Cocks were in it all the way - if they had won they would have knocked off Georgia, Tennessee and Florida in the same year!!!

 

[milohimself]

Two out of three ain't bad.

 

[volinbham]

Except when the 2 (UT and UF) of the 3 are bad

 

[milohimself]

Even still... That's like Kentucky or Vanderbilt taking out 2 of the 3 and going toe-to-toe with the last one.

 

[allvol]

Originally posted by Liper@Nov 17, 2005 5:30 PM
Are you forgetting his tenures at Duke and Florida?

Or, are you isolating your evaluation to SC only?

Answer honestly: Do you think Spurrier could take TN and FL and blister SC?  I for one would be willing to bet most of what I have on that.

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Spurrier's style of offense preys on slower weak defenses. The reason the speed of defenses in the SEC is so much better than other conferences from top to bottom now is because of what Spurrier did at Florida in the mid-90s. However, once the defenses upgraded in the SEC, he stopped dominating. I'm not saying he's not a good coach, but I'm not going to put him on a pedestal. He did not have to work so hard to recruit at Florida. He'll have to sweat some to get the talent he did at Florida and he still won't dominate the SEC like he once did.

1996 was Spurrier's last year of dominence in the SEC. From 1997 to 2001, he only won 1 SEC title. His record from 1997-2001 was 49-13 and included at least 2 losses each season.

And why mention Duke? He won 1 ACC title... but that was before Florida State was in the ACC and the ACC was like the WAC. His best record at Duke was 8-4. Like I said, his style preys on the slow weaker defenses. I think if Spurrier coached in a conference like the MAC, WAC, or Mtn West he would put out undefeated teams like Urban Meyer did. However, this is the SEC and its been upgraded a bit since Spurrier last coached.

 

[orangetd88]

Also, it wasn't great offensive production that won the UT and UF games for SC. It was their defense that made big plays for them.

 

[Liper]

Originally posted by allvol@Nov 18, 2005 10:37 AM
Spurrier's style of offense preys on slower weak defenses.  The reason the speed of defenses in the SEC is so much better than other conferences from top to bottom now is because of what Spurrier did at Florida in the mid-90s.  However, once the defenses upgraded in the SEC, he stopped dominating.

1996 was Spurrier's last year of dominence in the SEC.  From 1997 to 2001, he only won 1 SEC title.  His record from 1997-2001 was 49-13 and included at least 2 losses each season.

And why mention Duke?  He won 1 ACC title... but that was before Florida State was in the ACC and the ACC was like the WAC.

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1. Spurrier's style of offense preyed on TN and FSU, neither of which were slow or weak. Those defenses were already fast and good in the mid to late 90s. Ditto for GA.

2. They scored 26 on us in 97. They dominated us in 1998, even though we won the game because of all the fumbles and a leaping INT by D Grant. They beat us with an inferior team in 1999. He dominated in 2001, even though we outscored them. That team wasn't slowed down by anyone. I'm not buying it.

3. I mention Duke because he took a program that couldn't - and cannot now - tie their shoes and won a conference championship. Clemson was a good team in the 80's, and that conference was better tha the WAC. Regardless, no one before or since in the modern era has been able to get Duke to winning records, much less championships.

My impression is that you don't like Spurrier. When he loses two games it sounds like a collapse. When Fulmer takes an NFL team and loses 4 or 5, we need to take into account the totality of his consistency - if not championships.