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That really thinks Trae Golden has a ton of potential? I really think he will be one of the best point guards at UT in a very long time.....
 
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hatvol96 said:
If by "a very long time" you mean '05-'06, I agree.
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Refresh my memory please... I just think he can drive to the basket very well and has a good eye when it comes to passing the ball, I just saw the potential in the short time he has played..

Tony Harris??
 
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wags33 said:
Refresh my memory please... I just think he can drive to the basket very well and has a good eye when it comes to passing the ball, I just saw the potential in the short time he has played..

Tony Harris??
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Watson.
 
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Good vision in open court. Lot of work on d, finishing, adding a pullup, going left, and overall shot, which needs technical changes. We'll see. I love a PG that can call for and run pick and rolls at any time and he doesn't have the game to run it effectively, from what I have seen.
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Golden showed some flashes down the stretch last season, but he has a long way to go.

Would love to see him develop a shot from the outside.
 
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The fact of the matter is Trae is a 2G. He wasn't comfortable at the point, and I hope that has changed but I am not holding my breath. Truth be told we s
Are a team chalked full of wings and combo guards and tweeners. We are severely lacking at the 1 and the 5 this season. There's no way around that and this is a tough, tough coaching job CCM has this season. Hopefully we can get an elite big or two next class and get in on a top true PG. Jones really had my hopes up...
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He's merely a defensive fill in IMO. Our points aren't going to come through him, or at least that's how I see it. If Trae can't stay in front of guys like Erving Walker, Washpun will probably check in.
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wags33 said:
Refresh my memory please... I just think he can drive to the basket very well and has a good eye when it comes to passing the ball, I just saw the potential in the short time he has played..

Tony Harris??
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I think the point is that since CJ Watson left campus, the bar has not been set very high at PG.
 
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Trae Golden has actually show nothing to indicate he'll ever be more than an average point guard at UT, I mean no flashes of anything.
 
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Golden had a handful of nice passes last season and a few decent penetrating scores, but didn't show much and his shot could use a lot of improvement.

The bar at PG since CJ's departure would be easy to jump over, but a mother of a limbo bar...
 
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I think he can be a solid point guard, but I'm not expecting great things from him necessarily.
 
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wags33 said:
That really thinks Trae Golden has a ton of potential? I really think he will be one of the best point guards at UT in a very long time.....
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You're not the only one who thinks he's shown plenty of potential (but we are a scant few). I've shown several times how his +/- and a/to ratio were significantly better than Goins, all while playing with the non-scoring unit which usually included Pearl and McBee and only rarely included either Hopson or Harris. Ken Pomeroy (a sabermetrician of sorts at kenpom.com) has a stat called Assist Rate. It's a little inexact, but he basically takes all the goals scored by a team, calculates the potential assists a guy could have based on the percentage of time on the court, then sees how many assists he actually had. So, if a team had 36 goals per game, a player who played 50% of the time could have 18 assists. 6 assists would give him an assist rate of 33.3. The leader in the SEC was Dee Bost of Mississippi State at 38.8; second was Chris Bass of LSU at 30.2. Golden didn't have enough minutes to qualify, but his rate was 30.8 (and, incidentally, Goins was at 19.9).
He controlled the floor, pushed the ball, and distributed MUCH better than Goins. His head up defense wasn't as aggressive as Goins, but his help defense was much better. His shooting will come around with the new regime.
People now seem to think that the Calipari version of a point guard is the ideal. I don't even consider that a point guard, but a lead guard. I'm old school. A point guard distributes first, but can score when necessary. If Derrick Rose is a point guard (7.7 assists), then so is Lebron James (7.0 assists).
 
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papatomany said:
You're not the only one who thinks he's shown plenty of potential (but we are a scant few). I've shown several times how his +/- and a/to ratio were significantly better than Goins, all while playing with the non-scoring unit which usually included Pearl and McBee and only rarely included either Hopson or Harris. Ken Pomeroy (a sabermetrician of sorts at kenpom.com) has a stat called Assist Rate. It's a little inexact, but he basically takes all the goals scored by a team, calculates the potential assists a guy could have based on the percentage of time on the court, then sees how many assists he actually had. So, if a team had 36 goals per game, a player who played 50% of the time could have 18 assists. 6 assists would give him an assist rate of 33.3. The leader in the SEC was Dee Bost of Mississippi State at 38.8; second was Chris Bass of LSU at 30.2. Golden didn't have enough minutes to qualify, but his rate was 30.8 (and, incidentally, Goins was at 19.9).
He controlled the floor, pushed the ball, and distributed MUCH better than Goins. His head up defense wasn't as aggressive as Goins, but his help defense was much better. His shooting will come around with the new regime.
People now seem to think that the Calipari version of a point guard is the ideal. I don't even consider that a point guard, but a lead guard. I'm old school. A point guard distributes first, but can score when necessary. If Derrick Rose is a point guard (7.7 assists), then so is Lebron James (7.0 assists).
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What does this mean? Did the Vols fail to practice shooting under BP? Does CM have some incredible new system that can help players improve their stroke? Are you familiar enough with CM's offense to be implying that he will get better shots and thus shoot a higher percentage? Are you implying that he will shoot better because he is a year older/more mature (and, if so, what does this have to do with "the new regime")? Or is this just wishful thinking? Please elaborate.
 
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State of the Vols said:
What does this mean? Did the Vols fail to practice shooting under BP? Does CM have some incredible new system that can help players improve their stroke? Are you familiar enough with CM's offense to be implying that he will get better shots and thus shoot a higher percentage? Are you implying that he will shoot better because he is a year older/more mature (and, if so, what does this have to do with "the new regime")? Or is this just wishful thinking? Please elaborate.
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Installing any half-court offense will be an improvement over last year and will put players in position to play better and take better shots. Golden will be fine next season.
 
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papatomany said:
You're not the only one who thinks he's shown plenty of potential (but we are a scant few). I've shown several times how his +/- and a/to ratio were significantly better than Goins, all while playing with the non-scoring unit which usually included Pearl and McBee and only rarely included either Hopson or Harris. Ken Pomeroy (a sabermetrician of sorts at kenpom.com) has a stat called Assist Rate. It's a little inexact, but he basically takes all the goals scored by a team, calculates the potential assists a guy could have based on the percentage of time on the court, then sees how many assists he actually had. So, if a team had 36 goals per game, a player who played 50% of the time could have 18 assists. 6 assists would give him an assist rate of 33.3. The leader in the SEC was Dee Bost of Mississippi State at 38.8; second was Chris Bass of LSU at 30.2. Golden didn't have enough minutes to qualify, but his rate was 30.8 (and, incidentally, Goins was at 19.9).
He controlled the floor, pushed the ball, and distributed MUCH better than Goins. His head up defense wasn't as aggressive as Goins, but his help defense was much better. His shooting will come around with the new regime.
People now seem to think that the Calipari version of a point guard is the ideal. I don't even consider that a point guard, but a lead guard. I'm old school. A point guard distributes first, but can score when necessary. If Derrick Rose is a point guard (7.7 assists), then so is Lebron James (7.0 assists).
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Yeah point guards never scored in the old days
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All averaged 18+ for their careers and PGs
 
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