Am I the only one

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VOLINVONORE said:
Holly had some rough games at the beginning of the season. Her teams has shown some real problems on offense and still do. He offense has problems against extended zones and she seems to force the ball inside when there are four defenders in the paint. I realize she has spent much more than 50% of her coaching time on defense, but if the lady Vols are to make it into the final four, the offensive play must greatly improve. I still don't know how they can continually miss half of their layups. I think her teams has improved, but they to get better.

sometimes it appears that her freshmen are afraid to shoot the ball even when they have wide open shots. Tentative basket player never seem to progress when they are playing with restraints. If you play them, let them play their game. If not, red shirt them and play them net year.
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I totally agree here!! Her freshman ARE afraid to shoot the ball and that directly comes from holly's insistence that they force the ball inside, the wide open three point shot be damned!! The freshman were playing with confidence early in the season and Middleton was making a good number of outside shots, however since the mizzou game she is a staggering 1-18 shooting. Nared isn't doing much better. I think holly has pretty much mandated that unless your name is Ariel, then you don't take the three pointer. It's no wonder this offense stumbles from time to time. I will say though that they are passing it around more instead of dribbling the ball all over the court acting like they don't have a clue what to do with it
 
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miatenn5 said:
Am I the only one who still has faith in Holly as a coach? From seeing some posts on here I am beginning to feel not very many people agree with me. She can only do so much before some blame has to go on the players. The team missed many easy shots against Auburn in the first half last night. There is nothing Holly can do about that. As much as they want to practice that that is all on the player. I still have faith in her and this team to make it to the Final Four. I think we have the talent to do it and the leadership to do it.
Hope there are still some fans out there who believe in Holly and this team as much as I do.
GO LADY VOLS!!!!!!!!
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I can't say that I am completely sold on Holly being an outstanding coach on the level of Genno, Kim or Muffy, however, I have made up my mind that I am going to try and be positive. I think she has final four talent defensively but not offensively. Bad shooting is not necessarily the coaches fought but team toughness also seems to be an issue as well. It also appears that our player's health issues seem to last longer than usual, even when they are cleared to play by the medical staff. All of this can affect a coach's ability to look very good. I hope and pray that Holly becomes one of the best, however, she has a few miles to go. I compliment you on your faith and just hope it is well spent.
 
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volcrazy89 said:
You could actually construct a post to counter Darth's. But nahhhhh, that would too logical. Let's throw out the ol' dependable "negativity" nugget -- and tried and true UT cliche.
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Or I could just continue to through out my "negativity" nugget o_O!!! Sounds logical to me!
 
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teacherdean said:
but team toughness also seems to be an issue as well. It also appears that our player's health issues seem to last longer than usual, even when they are cleared to play by the medical staff. All of this can affect a coach's ability to look very good.
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I am not sure I am following your argument here. Which player or players are you referring to?

Here is my confusion. Let's take Vicki Baugh who had 2 major ACL injuries while a LV. She was medically cleared to play in her senior year but she still had lingering issues from the ACL injury. So, her playing time and knee had to be managed due to recurrent swelling and pain.

So, is the suggestion that Vicki just wasn't tough enough? I am confused with what toughness has to due with the time it takes to recover from ACLs or concussions or other injuries.
 
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madtownvol said:
I am not sure I am following your argument here. Which player or players are you referring to?

Here is my confusion. Let's take Vicki Baugh who had 2 major ACL injuries while a LV. She was medically cleared to play in her senior year but she still had lingering issues from the ACL injury. So, her playing time and knee had to be managed due to recurrent swelling and pain.

So, is the suggestion that Vicki just wasn't tough enough? I am confused with what toughness has to due with the time it takes to recover from ACLs or concussions or other injuries.
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The only one I know is Jannah. It is my understanding she has been cleared for a while but does not trust her knee and is scared. I think Izzy may have sat out a week after cleared for pretty much the same reason, but that was just one week. Holly says she's not pushing anyone on the court who is uncomfortable with their medical issues.

As for Jannah, I had an injury and it took a while to trust my leg to "hold". One thing to be told you are OK and another thing to believe it.
 
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Smallvol#1 said:
The only one I know is Jannah. It is my understanding she has been cleared for a while but does not trust her knee and is scared. I think Izzy may have sat out a week after cleared for pretty much the same reason, but that was just one week. Holly says she's not pushing anyone on the court who is uncomfortable with their medical issues.

As for Jannah, I had an injury and it took a while to trust my leg to "hold". One thing to be told you are OK and another thing to believe it.
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I agree with you here..from all the footage I've seen of tucker, she not only can score at will, but she's a lockdown defender as well. I'm sure holly would love to have her out there, but like you said, she just must not trust her knee enough yet.
 
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madtownvol said:
I am not sure I am following your argument here. Which player or players are you referring to?

Here is my confusion. Let's take Vicki Baugh who had 2 major ACL injuries while a LV. She was medically cleared to play in her senior year but she still had lingering issues from the ACL injury. So, her playing time and knee had to be managed due to recurrent swelling and pain.

So, is the suggestion that Vicki just wasn't tough enough? I am confused with what toughness has to due with the time it takes to recover from ACLs or concussions or other injuries.
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I am not saying that injuries are a test of toughness, because injuries can happen to the best. I am talking about the general playing. I love the toughness of Burdick, Harrison and even Carter and the way Graves played her Freshman year, but that does not seem to be team wide. I think Middleton has a little bit of that fire and toughness in her. I would like them to play more with a chip on their shoulders since a lot of us, and sometimes I believe the media, have counted them and their coach out. As far as injuries of our current players are concerned, it does seem that we are sidelined for a longer period of time. This may be for reasons that are not presented to the public. I understand why Russell is sidelined. I was not trying to associate toughness with injuries. Vicki was as tough as they come in fact I believe with bad knees, she is still playing basketball in the WNBA.
 
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teacherdean said:
I am not saying that injuries are a test of toughness, because injuries can happen to the best. I am talking about the general playing. I love the toughness of Burdick, Harrison and even Carter and the way Graves played her Freshman year, but that does not seem to be team wide. I think Middleton has a little bit of that fire and toughness in her. I would like them to play more with a chip on their shoulders since a lot of us, and sometimes I believe the media, have counted them and their coach out. As far as injuries of our current players are concerned, it does seem that we are sidelined for a longer period of time.
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So, by toughness you seem to mean competitive intensity. Okay.

I still see a little trace of "oh, those LVS are soft prima donnas" in the statement that they are sidelined for longer periods with injuries than other teams. What is your baseline comparison? Do you have data on how long it takes, on average, for an SEC women's b-player to come back from say a sprained MCL like Izzy has done or a quad strain, or a high ankle sprain? Actually, this season, with the exception of Izzy, the LVs have not had too many other injuries, except for Jone's concussion.

So, how about we cut straight to what I think is the unstated concern:

I get that many fans remain frustrated that Massengale missed much of the season last year with a concussion or that Jones is now out and listed as day-by-day. But concussions are a very different kind of injury than a calf muscle strain or sprained ligament. A medical staff won't clear a player until they are not showing symptoms-- light or noise sensitivity; lingering headaches and dizziness, and they return to their baseline scores on cognitive function tests.

As in the exchange I had with Pineyvol, there is a lot of misunderstanding around concussions. Through my son, who plays college soccer, I have become very well informed on concussions and concussion treatment protocols. It remains a very misunderstood and very serious injury.
 
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boxerpupsrcool said:
I agree with you here..from all the footage I've seen of tucker, she not only can score at will, but she's a lockdown defender as well. I'm sure holly would love to have her out there, but like you said, she just must not trust her knee enough yet.
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That footage couldn't have been from this season, because she hasn't been scoring at will or playing lockdown defense this year. Even if her knee was 100% and she knew it, she's still got 2 years of rust to shake off.

There also seems to be some confusion over what "medically cleared" to play means. It means that the physician feels that a player isn't likely to harm his/her injured site by playing, not that the injury is 100% resolved and the player's running/jumping/shooting ability is back to normal, nor that his/her conditioning is optimal.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
I saw a projection Notre Dame 86 Tennessee 69. They may win by 17 but I don't see them scoring 86 points. I think about 70 is their max worried we can't score that many.
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Isn't it great that what happens on the court is of more value than guesstimating.
 
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madtownvol said:
So, by toughness you seem to mean competitive intensity. Okay.

I still see a little trace of "oh, those LVS are soft prima donnas" in the statement that they are sidelined for longer periods with injuries than other teams. What is your baseline comparison? Do you have data on how long it takes, on average, for an SEC women's b-player to come back from say a sprained MCL like Izzy has done or a quad strain, or a high ankle sprain? Actually, this season, with the exception of Izzy, the LVs have not had too many other injuries, except for Jone's concussion.

So, how about we cut straight to what I think is the unstated concern:

I get that many fans remain frustrated that Massengale missed much of the season last year with a concussion or that Jones is now out and listed as day-by-day. But concussions are a very different kind of injury than a calf muscle strain or sprained ligament. A medical staff won't clear a player until they are not showing symptoms-- light or noise sensitivity; lingering headaches and dizziness, and they return to their baseline scores on cognitive function tests.

As in the exchange I had with Pineyvol, there is a lot of misunderstanding around concussions. Through my son, who plays college soccer, I have become very well informed on concussions and concussion treatment protocols. It remains a very misunderstood and very serious injury.
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As a former athlete I have suffered from concussions and I know that how a concussion affects one may be different for others. As a former high school coach I treated my players with concussions symptoms with kid gloves. I am in no way saying that our players are faking or not suffering. The mental aspects can play a big part in returning to action.
 
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