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As explained here by so many of us at the time, the GOP tax break for corporations was a con, a ruse, and a fraud. Super wealthy got quick massive infusion of cash, took it off the table. No trickle down. No real benefit to middle class. Illusory spike in growth. Economy in full retreat.
 
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lawgator1 said:
As explained here by so many of us at the time, the GOP tax break for corporations was a con, a ruse, and a fraud. Super wealthy got quick massive infusion of cash, took it off the table. No trickle down. No real benefit to middle class. Illusory spike in growth. Economy in full retreat.
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Fred Smith says hello.
 
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lawgator1 said:
As explained here by so many of us at the time, the GOP tax break for corporations was a con, a ruse, and a fraud. Super wealthy got quick massive infusion of cash, took it off the table. No trickle down. No real benefit to middle class. Illusory spike in growth. Economy in full retreat.
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It doesn't matter at this point. I used to think that phantom tax breaks would change things. But it doesn't. The Red Hats will actively vote against their own interests.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
It doesn't matter at this point. I used to think that phantom tax breaks would change things. But it doesn't. The Red Hats will actively vote against their own interests.
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A Dem candidate for the nomination in 2020 would win easily, and win in the general, with a platform of a middle class tax break to be paid for by increasing corporate taxes very slightly and closing loopholes for the super wealthy.
 
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lawgator1 said:
As explained here by so many of us at the time, the GOP tax break for corporations was a con, a ruse, and a fraud. Super wealthy got quick massive infusion of cash, took it off the table. No trickle down. No real benefit to middle class. Illusory spike in growth. Economy in full retreat.
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Why are my paychecks bigger than before the tax break then? Not 30 or 40 bucks. Like 150 to 200 bucks.

No I’m not super wealthy either
 
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lawgator1 said:
A Dem candidate for the nomination in 2020 would win easily, and win in the general, with a platform of a middle class tax break to be paid for by increasing corporate taxes very slightly and closing loopholes for the super wealthy.
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You get the hell out of here with your reasonable, logical post.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
My back log has doubled.
People currently have cash
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The government did their job in that they got out of your paycheck some. That was Trump said he was going to do and he did it

Then the anti Trumpers come back with “yeah but...” and factor in phase of the moon, global warming, etc... and it isn’t as good!

I’ve said this several times on this form. I’m an engineer. Gimme the data and tell me what story you want it to tell. That isn’t bullet proof if it’s scrutinized by somebody with a clue and who gives a damn. But I promise you it will get you across the line with 80% of the people. (Look a made up number!)
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
The government did their job in that they got out of your paycheck some. That was Trump said he was going to do and he did it

Then the anti Trumpers come back with “yeah but...” and factor in phase of the moon, global warming, etc... and it isn’t as good!

I’ve said this several times on this form. I’m an engineer. Gimme the data and tell me what story you want it to tell. That isn’t bullet proof if it’s scrutinized by somebody with a clue and who gives a damn. But I promise you it will get you across the line with 80% of the people. (Look a made up number!)
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Climate change is caused by people. I heard that 98% of scientists supported this view therefore it must be true.
 
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Climate change is caused by people. I heard that 98% of scientists supported this view therefore it must be true.
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I'm an engineer too... working most of the last 45 years in industry (counting my 3 years in the Co-op Program at UT).

Though nowadays a small business owner (Yes... I drive my own forklift, and sweep the floors too) I only do a little engineering here and there.

Back in the day, I used to identify with scientists because, after all, chemical engineering stands on the shoulders of a mountain of science.

Anymore, however, when I hear "scientists" mentioned, particularly in the media, it is almost always citing academics in connection with the climate debate.
 
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@NorthDallas40
@VolStrom
@RavinDave

Here’s my problem with the whole “man made” climate change.
The people pushing the agenda proposed very little in the way of solutions. (Actual solutions that would work)

How about we manufacture close to home as opposed to shipping crap all over the world.
Just one example.

I’m very environmentally concerned. I put as little debris in the landfill as possible. Recycling almost everything possible and shredding old lumber for mulch. I’m all for protecting the environment from actual threats.
 
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Can’t help but notice all the education in the small business world.
I have 2 degrees from the University of Tennessee. Business and psychology.
I’ll let everyone figure out what that means
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
@NorthDallas40
@VolStrom
@RavinDave

Here’s my problem with the whole “man made” climate change.
The people pushing the agenda proposed very little in the way of solutions. (Actual solutions that would work)

How about we manufacture close to home as opposed to shipping crap all over the world.
Just one example.

I’m very environmentally concerned. I put as little debris in the landfill as possible. Recycling almost everything possible and shredding old lumber for mulch. I’m all for protecting the environment from actual threats.
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Not only that but very few of them (the ones pushing the climate change agenda) actually practice what they preach.

I'm all for recycling, to the extent it is a net positive for the environment.

But that whole Paris accord framework was just the globalists' attempt to transfer billions of dollars of US wealth and redistribute it to the poorer nations while giving China and India a pass for 15 years. Trump did the right thing IMO to back out of that deal.

Solar, wind, tides, nuclear - and especially landfill gas (which turned out to be a big part of my business, though it wasn't even on the radar screen when I started the business) - bring it all on as long as the markets support it and it's a net decrease on greenhouse gas emissions.

But we can't just turn off the spigot on fossil fuels without killing the goose that lays the golden eggs (i.e. the US economy).

Did anybody see that segment on 60 Minutes last week about that Ocean Cleanup effort, the idea of a guy in his 20's from one of those European socialist utopias (I think he's Dutch)? Have to applaud what he's doing, and I hope he can work out the bugs.

But I did not know before watching it, that most of the plastics being "recycled" in this country were actually just being baled and shipped to China. At least they WERE going to China till China stopped taking it. Seems there has not been much success in THIS country at actually turning waste plastic into a raw material for consumption by US industry. Now, since China quit taking it (and there was no reason given for that, but I imagine their growing middle class is consuming enough plastics they don't need our garbage anymore...), it is mainly going to places like the Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Vietnam... and Lord knows how much of it they're actually using to make things vs. just dumping it in landfills, rivers and the oceans...

Thoughts?
 
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RavinDave said:
Did you sell your business or what?

Asking for a fiend.
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Retired, shut the business down and sold the property. It was a family business, and after my brother died I was ready to quit right away. Rather than try to keep it going (it was in business for 67 continuous years) , I decided to just close up, walk away, and sell the property. Also sold the rental properties, and my wife sold her business and real estate.
 
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Hopefully I will not have to make any decisions like that for at least a few years. Ideally find some youngster willing to work so I can back off a bit, and keep options open in case my son decides to get involved, but he's just a freshman in college right now.
 
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RavinDave said:
Hopefully I will not have to make any decisions like that for at least a few years. Ideally find some youngster willing to work so I can back off a bit, and keep options open in case my son decides to get involved, but he's just a freshman in college right now.
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My older son is heavily involved now and when I’m done it will be his deal. I’ll probably never be completely done but it’s nice to know there’s a transition plan
 
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RavinDave said:
Not only that but very few of them (the ones pushing the climate change agenda) actually practice what they preach.

I'm all for recycling, to the extent it is a net positive for the environment.

But that whole Paris accord framework was just the globalists' attempt to transfer billions of dollars of US wealth and redistribute it to the poorer nations while giving China and India a pass for 15 years. Trump did the right thing IMO to back out of that deal.

Solar, wind, tides, nuclear - and especially landfill gas (which turned out to be a big part of my business, though it wasn't even on the radar screen when I started the business) - bring it all on as long as the markets support it and it's a net decrease on greenhouse gas emissions.

But we can't just turn off the spigot on fossil fuels without killing the goose that lays the golden eggs (i.e. the US economy).

Did anybody see that segment on 60 Minutes last week about that Ocean Cleanup effort, the idea of a guy in his 20's from one of those European socialist utopias (I think he's Dutch)? Have to applaud what he's doing, and I hope he can work out the bugs.

But I did not know before watching it, that most of the plastics being "recycled" in this country were actually just being baled and shipped to China. At least they WERE going to China till China stopped taking it. Seems there has not been much success in THIS country at actually turning waste plastic into a raw material for consumption by US industry. Now, since China quit taking it (and there was no reason given for that, but I imagine their growing middle class is consuming enough plastics they don't need our garbage anymore...), it is mainly going to places like the Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Vietnam... and Lord knows how much of it they're actually using to make things vs. just dumping it in landfills, rivers and the oceans...

Thoughts?
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We have talked at work about several ideas on how to solve the plastic problem
 
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RavinDave said:
Hopefully I will not have to make any decisions like that for at least a few years. Ideally find some youngster willing to work so I can back off a bit, and keep options open in case my son decides to get involved, but he's just a freshman in college right now.
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I was financially able to walk away, and the property was a good location for any type of retail or office space. My heart wasn't in it any more since the family was all gone except for me. It wouldn't be the same. My wife's business was started in 1988, and it is still in operation by a younger couple. We have no children, grandchildren, nieces or nephews, so we couldn't really leave it to anyone in the family.
 
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