Amazon - Nashville

#26
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Tennessee is $500k right now for out of state sellers. Ignore the “online” part of it, this has to do with out of state sellers of anything collecting tax for TN or whatever state. ABC Manufacturing in Arkansas sells a $600k piece of equipment to a company in Memphis. They are on the hook to collect that tax now.
Tax laws are very arbitrary. Look at all the tax breaks the auto dealers have. But the $500k "economic nexus" threshold based on last years sales in way too high. You can sell $490k to TN buyers and the state loses out on nearly $35k in sales tax and the local government around $10k. The amount is way to high.
No doubt pushed by Amazon, Fedex, and others who benefit from interstate sales.
 
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This isn't correct information. It will be management, tech focused and software developers. The avg salary for these jobs is at $150K. They are building an office, not a warehouse. So you aren't going to see semi trucks for deliveries. This is huge for the city and best case scenario because HQ2 would have destroyed the city. Sure 5,000 jobs is a 7% increase in the downtown workforce, but with the wages Amazon pays it could really help level the gap between Cost of Living and Wages in Nashville. Many of the big companies will have to bump up their incentives to prevent any poaching.

For anyone interested this is what the development is planned to look like. Amazon would be in the taller building which is currently just at 750K sq ft, so it may get larger since Amazon announced they will need 1 million.

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Is the company that bought the land for $125,000,000 developing it and selling part of it to Amazon? All of it?
 
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Tax laws are very arbitrary. Look at all the tax breaks the auto dealers have. But the $500k "economic nexus" threshold based on last years sales in way too high. You can sell $490k to TN buyers and the state loses out on nearly $35k in sales tax and the local government around $10k. The amount is way to high.
No doubt pushed by Amazon, Fedex, and others who benefit from interstate sales.
These types of thresholds are pushed by small businesses, not Amazon. Amazon doesn’t care about sales tax, they have the money, scale, and manpower to devote hordes of people to sales tax compliance. It’s the business with $5M in revenue and one person keeping the books that would be totally overwhelmed if they were suddenly having to file sales tax returns in 8 states every month, track exemption certificates, stay on top of rates and rules, etc. And in a lot of cases that’s what’s going to happen now. Small and mid size businesses selling across the country are going to find themselves filing returns in 20+ states and being expected to keep up with exempt certs and all the new rules in states they don’t live in.
 
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These types of thresholds are pushed by small businesses, not Amazon. Amazon doesn’t care about sales tax, they have the money, scale, and manpower to devote hordes of people to sales tax compliance. It’s the business with $5M in revenue and one person keeping the books that would be totally overwhelmed if they were suddenly having to file sales tax returns in 8 states every month, track exemption certificates, stay on top of rates and rules, etc. And in a lot of cases that’s what’s going to happen now. Small and mid size businesses selling across the country are going to find themselves filing returns in 20+ states and being expected to keep up with exempt certs and all the new rules in states they don’t live in.
If they want to do business in a state they need to follow the law. It is not that difficult. Keeping up sales and taxes these days is is pretty simple. software exist that will keep up with sales and exempt sales and file tax returns. It is also updated often as tax laws and rates change. A truly "small" company is not going to sell 100k to several states.
TN, MA and OH have a 500k threshold. 4states have a $250k threshold. The remaining states have $100k or less. A few as low as $10k A few states have not acted yet.
 
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Is the company that bought the land for $125,000,000 developing it and selling part of it to Amazon? All of it?
Yes Southwest Value Partners group is still developing the site as Amazon is only going to be in a portion of the development. Not sure if Amazon will be owning it. They have been reported as saying they are investing $250M towards the deal. The rest of the "Nashville Yards" is going to be a hotel, some residential, 4000 seat theater, and then some misc businesses . The 24 story Grand Hyatt hotel has already started construction.

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One of the crazy pieces of all this is that the city had no clue about it at the start of Nov 12. They were preparing for the job announcement of 600 jobs for Ernst and Young. It wasn't until around 1:30pm that some Nashville officials received a call about the announcement. Kinda sucks for E&Y because their 600 job announcement pretty much went unnoticed. Then you have the Alliance Bernstein announcement of 1,000 jobs going across the street from Bridgestone Arena a few weeks ago. Nashville just continues to be hot.

The AllianceBernstein building with the new residential and National Museum of African American Music to be across the street from the Predators.
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I sold my property in Dekalb Co. in 2016 before moving to FL. Back then I talked to three realtors that said all their sales in the county were from people moving out of Davidson, Rutherford, Wilson Co's. People I sold to moved from Murfreesboro and were gonna commute back to work. Friends n Hermatige who work downtown say their commute has gone from 30 min. to 1 hr. + in the last 3 yrs..
Unfortunately, Nashville has changed forever, not for better I fear.

There are a lot of people from those counties buying lake property in Dekalb. I was born and raised there. The lake property is becoming more and more popular every year.
 
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This isn't correct information. It will be management, tech focused and software developers. The avg salary for these jobs is at $150K. They are building an office, not a warehouse. So you aren't going to see semi trucks for deliveries. This is huge for the city and best case scenario because HQ2 would have destroyed the city. Sure 5,000 jobs is a 7% increase in the downtown workforce, but with the wages Amazon pays it could really help level the gap between Cost of Living and Wages in Nashville. Many of the big companies will have to bump up their incentives to prevent any poaching.

For anyone interested this is what the development is planned to look like. Amazon would be in the taller building which is currently just at 750K sq ft, so it may get larger since Amazon announced they will need 1 million.

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I did catch this on further details of the operations and you are right. Not nearly as bad and they are planning on 1/3 living down town. This is the same complex a movie theater and Publix is going in and a bunch of shopping.
 
#33
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Well in typical Nashville fashion the project has been reduced in size. This city is just afraid of height but at least we are getting some really good density. (2 20 story instead of one 40story) Eventually we will get a building taller than the Batman that was built like 20 years ago.

From this:
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To this:
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Any thoughts on why the tendency to not build "up" in downtown Nashville?
I think it has lots to do with the city still having tons of land available for development. Sure there has been lots of infill the past 5 years or so, but you can still find underutilized lots with just a 1 story structure or just used for parking. Until more is filled then there isn't going to be motivation to go higher.


The city is starting to look pretty impressive though.

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Seeing that this got bumped reminded me that one of the two towers Amazon was going to fill was cut in half (literally will be half as tall as planned) because they can't use the space. And thanks to covid and everyone working from home, not only is there now probably no way to enforce any clawback on the job creation tax incentives but there won't be nearly as much need for ancillary services to support a brick and mortar regional HQ with thousands of on-site employees. Such a screw job for the city. The crazy thing is, local politicians swore up and down that the Yards would be the last such deal and then they couldn't help themselves as soon as Oracle started looking at the East bank of the river. If growth stops, the county will go bankrupt and the state is not going to bail them out. Everyone who can afford to leave will, and Nashville will be another Detroit.
 
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Construction may soon start on 750 foot tower in Nashville at the old YMCA lot on Church Street next to Amazon 1.
Razing of YMCA starting soon. Reportedly it would be in the top 10 of tallest buildings in the southeast.

1010 Church Street (60 story/750', 500 unit residential tower, 7 story/60,000 sq. ft. YMCA addition), $350 million
The Y is still open but operating in the newer half of their building. It's a mess but they're doing their best to keep the facility open.
 
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The Y is still open but operating in the newer half of their building. It's a mess but they're doing their best to keep the facility open.
I think the plan is to build a new YMCA next to the new tower. I think they will tear down the existing YMCA in phases.

They just recently finished exterior construction of Amazon 2 and removed the crane. Across Church Street from Amazon 1 they are putting in underground parking garage for what is suppose to be Amazon 3 (corner of Church and 10th). It would be one of the taller buildings in Nashville but the economy turned bad and Amazon layed off some 12k workers and with many working at home, Amazon is rethinking the construction of this building. Last I have read, Amazon will finish the underground parking garage and stop construction until they further decide what to do with it. (The building under construction next to Amazon 3 is will be the Pinnacle tower (35 stories) already several stories above street level.)

That area between Church and Commerce and 9th and 10th is a hot area. Directly across from the YMCA is a deep pit with two 30+ story residential towers (maybe a third) currently under construction with a 4000 seat theater and 4500 seat live events venue.

Nashville Yards, 15 acres/4 million sq. ft./ $1 billion, Phase I: Grand Hyatt Hotel (25 stories), Phase II: Amazon (26 & 22 stories), Phase III: AEG District (4 K theater, 34 & 35 story apts); Phase IV: Pinnacle Tower (35 stories), Amazon 3 (43)

In the above link, the last few pictures are of the construction in the pit with two towers, theater and live events venue. In the very last picture at the bottom there are a few 'eyesore' buildings on 9th that needs to eventually come down and replaced. IMO.
 
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I think the plan is to build a new YMCA next to the new tower. I think they will tear down the existing YMCA in phases.

They just recently finished exterior construction of Amazon 2 and removed the crane. Across Church Street from Amazon 1 they are putting in underground parking garage for what is suppose to be Amazon 3 (corner of Church and 10th). It would be one of the taller buildings in Nashville but the economy turned bad and Amazon layed off some 12k workers and with many working at home, Amazon is rethinking the construction of this building. Last I have read, Amazon will finish the underground parking garage and stop construction until they further decide what to do with it. (The building under construction next to Amazon 3 is will be the Pinnacle tower (35 stories) already several stories above street level.)

That area between Church and Commerce and 9th and 10th is a hot area. Directly across from the YMCA is a deep pit with two 30+ story residential towers (maybe a third) currently under construction with a 4000 seat theater and 4500 seat live events venue.

Nashville Yards, 15 acres/4 million sq. ft./ $1 billion, Phase I: Grand Hyatt Hotel (25 stories), Phase II: Amazon (26 & 22 stories), Phase III: AEG District (4 K theater, 34 & 35 story apts); Phase IV: Pinnacle Tower (35 stories), Amazon 3 (43)

In the above link, the last few pictures are of the construction in the pit with two towers, theater and live events venue. In the very last picture at the bottom there are a few 'eyesore' buildings on 9th that needs to eventually come down and replaced. IMO.
Are you referring to the Smith House, where The Standard is located? That's one of the oldest buildings in downtown. The building to it's left is the original Baptist Publishing Co., building. I think both are protected from redevelopment. I don't know about the old Walter Nipper store building.
 
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Are you referring to the Smith House, where The Standard is located? That's one of the oldest buildings in downtown. The building to it's left is the original Baptist Publishing Co., building. I think both are protected from redevelopment. I don't know about the old Walter Nipper store building.
On 9th street, one is called "The Westview" and Walter Nipper and the building bwtween these two.
 
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On 9th street, one is called "The Westview" and Walter Nipper and the building bwtween these two.
Okay. The Westview has been condos for about 20 years. The next two buildings were both home to Walter Nipper Sporting Goods, one from the time the store opened until the early 2000s when his estate was settled and the second where the sign is (or was most recently) is where they moved the store to in the early 2000s. No clue who owns those buildings. Probably a REIT that doesn't vest for another 300 and something years.
 
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Seeing that this got bumped reminded me that one of the two towers Amazon was going to fill was cut in half (literally will be half as tall as planned) because they can't use the space. And thanks to covid and everyone working from home, not only is there now probably no way to enforce any clawback on the job creation tax incentives but there won't be nearly as much need for ancillary services to support a brick and mortar regional HQ with thousands of on-site employees. Such a screw job for the city. The crazy thing is, local politicians swore up and down that the Yards would be the last such deal and then they couldn't help themselves as soon as Oracle started looking at the East bank of the river. If growth stops, the county will go bankrupt and the state is not going to bail them out. Everyone who can afford to leave will, and Nashville will be another Detroit.
Stop it...
 
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All I know is since I retired 7 years ago everytime I go downtown(once a month) there are cranes on top of buildings seemingly everywhere and the skyline has changed with another tall building. Current population is 700k +-.
 

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