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Just say "Tea Party". This seems to encompass every negative word in the English language and even in some foreign languages.
 
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emainvol said:
I believe I was talking about a particular driving force between a particular group as well. It's not my fault that the Christian Coalition and the like are the most visible and vocal sects of the religious right.
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What specific, constitutional right has the Christian Coalition attempted to deny you?
I have had plenty of run-ins with these people and these encounters are becoming more and more frequent. I live in a community in the bible belt that is currently at odds over a mosque. It's not the polite, intelligent members that come out in droves to protest either.
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What are they protesting? Are they attempting to use force or the force of law to prevent the free exercise of religion? What are their actual issues or complaints?

Do they have a right to peacefully protest the construction of a mosque? Isn't it "tolerance" to allow them that legal right while also securing the right of Muslims to build the mosque in accordance with and under equal protection of the law? Tolerance doesn't mean we agree... tolerance means we "live and let live" even when we disagree.

It sounds very much like you biggest problem with the religious right is they disagree with your pov... not that they have actually tried to deny your rights.

You want me to quit thinking the religious right is riddled with idiots? Band your apparently intelligent friends together and do something about it.
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Right now I want YOU to actually quantify something that I should stand against.
Telling the rest of those fools to shut the hell up and stop giving you a bad name would be a damn good start.
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No it wouldn't. That would be as bad a "start" as trying to make laws to shut down the Huffington Post or Playboy magazine simply because I don't like what they say or do. Whether you realize it or not, your right to free speech is eroded anytime it is denied to someone you disagree with.

FWIW, if you will pm me the town and mosque issue at question, I will look at it. If it is simply a case of trying to prevent a mosque then I will see if there's anything I can do to rebuke those who are doing it.

I for one am not afraid to have genuine, conservative, "fundamental", loving, evangelistic Christianity standing in stark contrast to Islam. IMO, if they are as you seem to insenuate... they are avoiding the spiritual battle rather than engaging it. That behavior is wholly contrary to the NT where Christians evangelized pagan Romans knowing that it could well cost them their lives... yet they engaged.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Just say "Tea Party". This seems to encompass every negative word in the English language and even in some foreign languages.
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The Tea Party is getting closer and closer to becoming a third party.

There was a report yesterday that they are coming out strongly against corporate welfare which further distinguishes them from the other two parties. Before Dems start dancing in the streets, their anti-corporate welfare and skeptical view of globalism will resonate with union workers and perhaps other traditionally Dem constituencies who already disagree with their party on many social issues.

That's why both parties are in attack mode right now. They see danger to their "trust".

Trust: A combination of firms or corporations for the purpose of reducing competition and controlling prices throughout a business or an industry
 
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sjt18 said:
Which efforts?

The only major thing I know of that you might be talking about is abortion. If abortion were a moral issue only then I'd agree to keep it legal. It isn't. It is a human rights issue. The question is: Is the unborn child a living human being? Medically speaking, the answer is objectively YES.

What do you do or want to do that you are afraid the religious right seriously wants to deny you?
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There a number of things that can be argued by its constitutional merits, not quoting Bible verses and espouting "Christian Morals". Among these are:

Gay Marriage
Abortion
Abstinence only education
Prayer in school
Vice laws (drug, prostitution, sodomy)
Determination of appropriate TV programming
Lotteries and gambling
ect....

The Christian Morals crowd has a hand in every single one of these, and for the most part, instead of intelligent and constitutional debate, Bible verses and morals are being argued. Go to any protest over Gay marriage and I guarantee you will see the words "God", "Bible", and a plethora of scripture references on the protest signs.

Say what you will about the ACLU crowd with their crazy antics about "moral" legislation, but at least they are attempting to use the constitution as a basis for their argument. However misguided it may be sometimes.

If somebody is agaisnt gay marriage, gambling, prostitution, ect... then fine, lets hear the argument, but don't tell me it is because "God doesn't like it".
 
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rjd970 said:
There a number of things that can be argued by its constitutional merits, not quoting Bible verses and espouting "Christian Morals". Among these are:

Gay Marriage
Abortion
Abstinence only education
Prayer in school
Vice laws (drug, prostitution, sodomy)
Determination of appropriate TV programming
Lotteries and gambling
ect....

The Christian Morals crowd has a hand in every single one of these, and for the most part, instead of intelligent and constitutional debate, Bible verses and morals are being argued. Go to any protest over Gay marriage and I guarantee you will see the words "God", "Bible", and a plethora of scripture references on the protest signs.

Say what you will about the ACLU crowd with their crazy antics about "moral" legislation, but at least they are attempting to use the constitution as a basis for their argument. However misguided it may be sometimes.

If somebody is agaisnt gay marriage, gambling, prostitution, ect... then fine, lets hear the argument, but don't tell me it is because "God doesn't like it".
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without some sort of divine law, gay marriage is a losing proposition. You don't have to believe me, just wait 10 or 20 years. The rest, I agree that there is a secular argument to be made. But I don't think many Christians would like muslim prayers being said in their schools 2 or 3 times during the school day, or any Wiccan rituals for that matter.
 
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IPorange said:
Held a national office. Was a senator for something like 4 years.

Palin didn't even finish her term as governor of Alaska.
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Senator for 2 years before quitting to campaign. And he still never ran anything in his life until people decided he should run the US.
 
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IPorange said:
Held a national office. Was a senator for something like 4 years.

Palin didn't even finish her term as governor of Alaska.
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He was a Senator since 2005 and was practically absent for a chunk of that. He more or less stepped out in 2007 to run for President. So a drop-out Senator who didn't finish his term and missed many of the votes? But that is different right?
 
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CSpindizzy said:
He was a Senator since 2005 and was practically absent for a chunk of that. He more or less stepped out in 2007 to run for President. So a drop-out Senator who didn't finish his term and missed many of the votes? But that is different right?
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So then Palin was actually governor of Alaska for how long, excluding campaign/post campaign national time?

Seriously, Palin has no more experience than Obama did.
 
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IPorange said:
So then Palin was actually governor of Alaska for how long, excluding campaign/post campaign national time?

Seriously, Palin has no more experience than Obama did.
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What did he do? Who did he lead? What decisions did he make that affected those he was put in charge of?

he was a name from Chicago that barely showed up to work and then quit to run for Pres. Amazing
 
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utvolpj said:
What did he do? Who did he lead? What decisions did he make that affected those he was put in charge of?

he was a name from Chicago that barely showed up to work and then quit to run for Pres. Amazing
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You've obviously never been to Wasilla.
 
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IPorange said:
So then Palin was actually governor of Alaska for how long, excluding campaign/post campaign national time?

Seriously, Palin has no more experience than Obama did.
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If she took her oath, and resigned in the following sentence she was as qualified as he was.
 
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BeecherVol said:
If she took her oath, and resigned in the following sentence she was as qualified as he was.
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So mayor of Wasilla and a partial term as Governor of Alaska is significantly greater than state representative of Illinois and partial term as a US senator...

Whatever you say. I'm sure one's personal political affiliation has nothing to do with that opinion...
 
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